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Arkaether · May 22, 2009

Thanks, shanus. I retract my statement, though; I'm starting to get used to it and it's actually not that different. It just seemed different at first because of the dair nerf, but it's fine now.

And yet another +1 support to skip's nipple comet suggestion.

Rudra · May 22, 2009

Arkaether said:
And yet another +1 support to skip's nipple comet suggestion.

This.
10NippleComets

Mattnumbers · May 22, 2009

I agree with the nipple comet thing for falcon

Jiangjunizzy · May 22, 2009

shanus said:
I'm fine with it too.

some reno smash players were talking to me and said that having all of falcon's dair meteor would make him a complete character.

Skip2MaLoo · May 22, 2009

Jiangjunizzy said:
some reno smash players were talking to me and said that having all of falcon's dair meteor would make him a complete character.

MISSION
COMPLETE
now just need it to be implemented.

goodoldganon · May 22, 2009

I'm against it...

*is being a party pooper to be one*

GHNeko · May 22, 2009

So would the toes be a legit spike? Or is every hitbox of dair a meteor?

Arkaether · May 22, 2009

It'd probably be a meteor. But if anything is a spike, it HAS to be the nipples. None of this toe-spike stuff. Nipple spike or no spike.

VietGeek · May 22, 2009

While talking about nipples is interesting...I'm here to say something about the Blue Bomber...err I mean Toon Link.

His new dsmash...seems kinda weird. Like you fixed the dsmash glitch altogether, both the <20% one and the sloped one, but it seems to cause TL to hit at the hilt instead of the backswing's tip like it normally would. Now this really doesn't seem like a problem since the backswing has only one hitbox, but it can lead to some weird places where the opponent pops up assuming there's no DI, perhaps even weirder with DI, don't know yet lol.

Also sometimes the opponent would be sucked in but doesn't pop up (weird weak vertical hitbox effect of the normal dsmash; which I guess by fluke prevented retaliation) anymore, it just leaves TL...exposed and ready for punishment. TL's dsmash really is rarely ever used since Usmash is better and you can rarely combo into it aside from tech chases or something, but just letting you know some quirks produced by fixing another quirk.

But you fixed what needed to be fixed Shanus, so high-five. =D

EDIT: Also seems weaker, but I didn't see any backswing hitbox mods in the code data so I'm assuming placebo effect of some sort after messing with it myself yesterday. xD

Arkaether · May 22, 2009

You know what would make Jigglypuff a complete character?

A ground game. As in, actually having one.

GHNeko · May 22, 2009

>Jigglypuff
>Ground Game

....What...She doesnt need one.

Skip2MaLoo · May 22, 2009

im not sure if its just throws but eletric pikmin dont have any hitstun (for throws) not sure if its the same with attacks

Rudra · May 22, 2009

I thought Jiggs ~~preffered the Air!~~ was supposed to abuse her air mobility. Why would she need a better ground game? (okay, she has one, but its pretty bad lol)

GHNeko · May 22, 2009

Rudra said:
I thought Jiggs ~~preffered the Air!~~ was supposed to abuse her air mobility. Why would she need a better ground game? (okay, she has one, but its pretty bad lol)

Seriously. If a jiggs is trying to fight on ground, she's doing it wrong, imo. :V

Anything she does on ground had either kill in a single hit, or send people up into the air.

Arkaether · May 22, 2009

Yes, Jigglypuff is a complete aerial character. Still, though, there are occasions where air is restricted or you just want to duke it out in good old manly fisticuffs with the opponent.

It is times like that when I look at Kirby and go "**** you and your fsmash, Kirby. **** you."

VietGeek · May 22, 2009

I thought her ground game is landing that odd utilt and edgeguarding with Fsmash and occasionally doing DACUS out of nowhere and then laugh as your opponent got hit by Balloon Headbutt.

That's good enough imo (in the sense of the character; otherwise that's depressing).

Actually, A Jigglypuff with a ground game sounds like a cuter Wario. o_o

Kuga · May 22, 2009

''Fox dair 2 dmg from 3 dmg''

The damage Nerf change the KB/Hitstun on his Dair?

Arkaether · May 22, 2009

Honestly, I don't care about her ground game. I just wish she could combo from grabs.

THOUGH A GROUND GAME WOULD STILL BE AWESOME. I want kirby fsmash.

GHNeko · May 22, 2009

VietGeek said:
cuter Wario. o_o

...?

But yea. If anything has to be done to jiggs ground game, is making up titl work a bit easier.
But that's my idea.

Arkaether · May 22, 2009

Heck, my wishlist for Jiggs is HUUUUUGE.

For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go140gGZupM <-- this as a constant standard minus the weird jump gravities

But unfortunately, it'll never happen. I still want comboable grabs.

Roxas215 · May 22, 2009

Jiggly is already insanely good. Jiggly never had a ground game even in 64. Why give her one now? She is a complete aerial char and always have been.

I sorely mis my spammable razor leafs lol. But i feel it was for the better. It's still faster then vbrawl and that all that matters. But one thing though. Did yall reduce the knockback of ivy's up b? It feels like it and if so why? You had to time ivy's up b and he has no combos into it. No reason to nerf it.

Arkaether · May 22, 2009

Yeah, except she actually had something resembling a ground game in 64/melee. Usmash/Fsmash in 64 and melee weren't bad. The only good ground move Jiggs has in B+ is utilt, which has an absolutely miserable hitbox. Usmash is only good in unexpected DACUS.

I would still much rather have comboable grabs, though.

Plum · May 22, 2009

Phillyrider807 said:
Jiggly is already insanely good. Jiggly never had a ground game even in 64. Why give her one now? She is a complete aerial char and always have been.

I sorely mis my spammable razor leafs lol. But i feel it was for the better. It's still faster then vbrawl and that all that matters. But one thing though. Did yall reduce the knockback of ivy's up b? It feels like it and if so why? You had to time ivy's up b and he has no combos into it. No reason to nerf it.

I think Up B is sped up after whatever frame so it ends faster allowing her to DI after the little hop earlier, maybe that is messing with something else?

WeirdoZ Inc. · May 22, 2009

Is anyone else having freezes after matches? I got the latest build (22-05-09) and it's freezing after 2 or so matches.

If it helps at all, I've added "Ness' bat always in his hand" and reversed Norfair to the set.

The Cape · May 22, 2009

If you hold a direction when the match ends the game freezes for some reason.

goodoldganon · May 23, 2009

The Cape said:
If you hold a direction when the match ends the game freezes for some reason.

Has for a while now. It's something we have to live with.

Kuga · May 23, 2009

Yay to TL Fsmash Change \o/. Good Job

Now Ivy Razor Leaf is fine,nice little change

---The new hop on his Up-B is weird,but awesome xD.

I think Fox Utilt need to be 8%.If you look,this was 10%hb1 - 8%hb2
After the nerf,9% both hb.Now they fall to 7% both hb.Its a loot of %.
And the same question: The Dair dmg Nerf change the KB/Hitstun on his Dair?

Now some Marth aerials got a bit Nerf in dmg and KB(Now that combo better,but kill later,course)so,i like the new Uair,Fair not so much,but ok.Oh,and good job with Marth 4th down hit fix. o/

GHNeko · May 23, 2009

Kuga said:
Oh,and good job with Marth 4th down hit fix. o/

Ugh. As much as I hate it, its a weakness. If more people know about it, they might stop calling for nerfs. Let it stay, you're using a risky and unsafe move for damage building.

What I hate is the fair and how it doesnt send into tumble until 22% (tipped) 31% (untipped) which makes the move unsafe to use until those percents, imo. :/

Lack of tumble doesnt encourage combos.

VietGeek · May 23, 2009

GHNeko said:
Ugh. As much as I hate it, its a weakness. If more people know about it, they might stop calling for nerfs. Let it stay, you're using a risky and unsafe move for damage building.

What I hate is the fair and how it doesnt send into tumble until 22% (tipped) 31% (untipped) which makes the move unsafe to use until those percents, imo. :/

Lack of tumble doesnt encourage combos.

Grab set-ups maybe. lol

GHNeko · May 23, 2009

Only on the way down. Rising fair's wont get you grabs. So lol.

VietGeek · May 23, 2009

GHNeko said:
Only on the way down. Rising fair's wont get you grabs. So lol.

rising fair to 1st hit nair to grab to ken combo?

<_<

Work with me sir.

Yingyay · May 23, 2009

GHNeko said:
What I hate is the fair and how it doesnt send into tumble until 22% (tipped) 31% (untipped) which makes the move unsafe to use until those percents, imo. :/

Lack of tumble doesnt encourage combos.

Welcome to Sheik's world.
Come to think of it, I think there were a few people who agreed on making sheik's fsmash similar to Tlink's own. Whatever happened to that?

GHNeko · May 23, 2009

Too much cool-down on rising fair for nair to connect before the exit stun. If you commit to nair, they'll be out of stun, which wouldnt be a problem if fair could tumble before 22% (34%).

Also, take this to the Marth thread. wtf.

Nybb · May 23, 2009

It seems that ICs have a substantial dthrow chaingrab on Link. A human player couldn't get out of it, so it might be legit. Mind you, we didn't rigorously test it or anything, it just came up in a couple matches. I don't have anyone to play now to test it more thoroughly, but it seemed like it was working up to ~60%. I imagine it would do even more to Falcon and others, so it might be worth checking out to see if it really is legit if anybody feels like it.

Ness' new physics seem to be an improvement, but I still think he needs a bit more. Maybe a power boost to Fsmash, or maybe enlarging his u-air and/or u-tilt hitboxes a bit. I still think DJC would be awesome, but that is a lot more debatable I guess.

Also, coloured shields are soo cool

Cruncher93 · May 23, 2009

Is the new 5-22 Update also for the PAL-Version?

Deleted member · May 23, 2009

no I have to compile it. expect it in a few hours.

EPsilon933 · May 23, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwzbttItAeo&feature=channel_page

CloneHat · May 23, 2009

EPsilon933 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwzbttItAeo&feature=channel_page

That is not true. Try that in a match, it hits with the tip of the beak.

Yingyay · May 23, 2009

EPsilon933 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwzbttItAeo&feature=channel_page

I KNEW IT WASNT ME ALONE!!!
This happened to me soo many times, even in vBrawl.

Deleted member · May 23, 2009

Why not use Unrestricted Control Editing, 3 liner Infinite Replays, and Unrestricted Replay Camera for the next build?

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