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[Mario_ 101]

This is important for some to know which stages to choose and which to not so there is a higher success rate for Mario users in tourneys. I want ur opinionsand to also discuss which stages NOT to pick that are legal neutrals or counterpicks in tourneys.
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Stage to choose vs. Bowser: Rainbow Cruise
Stages not to choose: Pokeman stadium 1, Final Destination, and Battlefield
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Stages to choose vs. Diddy kong: Battlefield, Yoshi's island brawl, norfair, frigate orpheon, rainbow cruise, and lylat cruise, pokemon stadiums 1 and 2.
Stages not to choose: luigi's mansion and final destination.
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Stages to choose vs. Donkey Kong: rainbow cruise, final destination, and smashville.
Stages not to choose: brinstar, delfino, and jungle japes.
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Stages to choose vs. Ice Climbers: Norfair, Rainbow Cruise, Brinstar, Battlefield, Lylat, and other stages with platforms without walkoffs?
Stage not to choose: Final Destination
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Stages to choose vs. King DeDeDe Brinstar, Norfair, Battlefield, Yoshi's Island.
Stages not to choose: Delfino Plaza and Castle Siege.
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Stages to choose vs Fox: Rainbow Cruise, Frigate Orpheon, Smashville?, Yoshi's Island (brawl) and... norfair perhaps.
Stages not to choose: Final Destination
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Stages to choose vs falco: RC, Frigate, SV?, and... norfair perhaps.
Stages not to choose: Jungle Japes, FD
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Stages to choose vs. kirby: Final destination and battlefield.
stages not to choose: jungle japes, pirate ship, and brinstar.
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Stages to choose vs Lucario: Battlefield, Brinstar, and Rainbow Cruise.
Stages not to choose: Final Destination and Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
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Stages to choose vs Marth: Delfino, Yoshi Island, Final Destination, Frigate, and Rainbow Cruise
Not to choose: Battlefield and Lylat Cruise
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Stages to choose vs. metaknight: Green Greens, Final Destination, and maybe Battlefield if you feel comfortable on it.
Stages not to choose vs. metaknight: Norfair, Brinstar, and Rainbow Cruise.
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Stages to choose vs. Mr. Game & Watch: Final Destination, Battlefield, Lylat Cruise, Yoshi's Island (Brawl), Norfair, and maybe pokemon stadium1
Stages not to choose: rainbow cruise...
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Stages to choose vs. olimar: Jungle japes, Rainbow Cruise, Pokemon Stadium 1, NORFAIR
Not to choose: Pirate ship, Brinstar, Final Destination, Corneria
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Stages to choose vs. R.O.B.: Battlefield, Yoshi's Island Brawl, Lylat Cruise, Brinstar?, Halberd?
Not to choose: Frigate Orpheon, Rainbow Cruise, Jungle Japes, Final Destination?
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Stage to choose vs. snake: Final Destination
Stages not to choose: Everything else O_o
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Stages to choose vs. Toon Link: Battlefield, Luigi’s Mansion, Lylat Cruise, and Rainbow Cruise.
Stages not to choose: Pirate ship, Jungle Japes, Yoshi’s Island Melee, and Final Destination.
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Stages to choose vs Zelda: YI, LC, Halberd, Delfino, RC, Norfair
Stages not to choose: LM, BF
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Stages to choose vs Zero Suit Samus: RAINBOW CRUISE, frigate orpheon, port town (if tourney allows), FD, SV?
Stages not to choose: yoshi's island brawl, halberd, NORFAIR, Battlefield
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[Matt07]

Posted this at the Metaknight forums. Hopefully they reply back and we can get some good info on what stages to ban/counterpick.

Anyways I prefer FD because Metaknight can abuse platforms better then Mario, IN MY OPINION. I still would fight a Metaknight of Battlefield but I'd prefer FD more slightly.

 

[hippiedude92]

To me it's a preference thing. Just don't take him to Castle siege, norfair, firgate, brinstar, RC. I'd go battlefield any day lol.

 

[Dory]

There is no bad stage for MK ]:
It would be better for you to cp somewhere you are good at that gives you the best chance to win.
Mine are delfino and luigis and I know those are good stages for MK but like I said there are no BAD stages for MK.
Go with a cp you like/are good at

 

[Tlmab]

There is no bad stage for MK ]:
It would be better for you to cp somewhere you are good at that gives you the best chance to win.
Mine are delfino and luigis and I know those are good stages for MK but like I said there are no BAD stages for MK.
Go with a cp you like/are good at

I agree so FD is good enough for mario cause platform gives MK an advantage.

 

[Matt07]

.Tero replied to my thread, and showed me another thread (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=209291) that were bad stages for Metaknight.

Most said Green Greens was a bad stage due to the very slow ceiling, and a few others. We should see what they consider bad stages, and how they can benifit us more then the opponent. It seems some don't like Pirate Ship...and who would except a Mario to go there .

 

[Kamikaze*]

Pick Green Greens or Corneria.

 

[Matt07]

Hmm, thanks for your input.

Okay so how does Mario fare on Green Greens? I never really fought on this stage too much . Small blastzones are a major plus, like you prob K.O at around 70% with an up smash, or fsmash. But what do you guys think?

 

[Kamikaze*]

Hmm, thanks for your input.

Okay so how does Mario fare on Green Greens? I never really fought on this stage too much . Small blastzones are a major plus, like you prob K.O at around 70% with an up smash, or fsmash. But what do you guys think?

Yeah, a good move to use here is usmash. I never fought here much myself, so I dunno much lol


Just practice on it a lot. Then when you pick it, the MK will be less experienced on it and you will be the experienced one.

 

[Mario_ 101]

Pick Green Greens or Corneria.

corneria i don't think is an ideal counterpick for mario simply because he just doesn't work well on this stage.

 

[JumpMan_Punk]

Yeah, a good move to use here is usmash. I never fought here much myself, so I dunno much lol


Just practice on it a lot. Then when you pick it, the MK will be less experienced on it and you will be the experienced one.

Isn't Green Greens Banned? It should the best stage your most comfortable with as counterpick. Since alot of mk mains want u want to be uncomfortable while fighting them. Also counter picking a stage against mk is not as good cause he has the most advantage on everyboard. Personally I would choose I would Pokemon Stadium1. When I fight on that stage it feels like fighting marth with tornado.

 

[HeroMystic]

Green Greens is Counterpick/Banned.

 

[-Sensei-]

Here in FL (Orlando, at least) both Green Greens and Corneria are banned. Pirate ship may be my best chance.

 

[Mario_ 101]

bump. we're doing bowser this week. list the cps to and not to pick.

 

[hippiedude92]

Rainbow cruise, FD definitely hurt Boozer since he sucks against campers and hes mobility is bawls against mario

 

[Matt07]

Lol, I was actually thinking of FD being a bad stage to take Bowser because of his amazing grab release game, and platforms like Battlefield can help you avoid his amazing grabs.

But you play Boozer so you should know better then I.

 

[Mario_ 101]

Lol, I was actually thinking of FD being a bad stage to take Bowser because of his amazing grab release game, and platforms like Battlefield can help you avoid his amazing grabs.

But you play Boozer so you should know better then I.

actually i don't use bowser anymore. i quit him along with everyone else i used a long time ago. i only use mario bros. now.

 

[JumpMan_Punk]

I use bowser and vs mario um can pretty much say he can combo the crap out of bowser in most of the stage maps except for Smashville, FD, and Pokemon Stadium 1

 

[iMichael]

lol it's f***ing Bowser...do we really need to discuss this one? Any stage is good....just **** him. Now if this was Melee it would be different. Bowser is trash.

 

[Tlmab]

wow... harsh but true, bowser is just not good to fight against our Mr. mustachio, and most of the characters in the game. I suggest that you switch to other character.

 

[hippiedude92]

lol it's f***ing Bowser...do we really need to discuss this one? Any stage is good....just **** him. Now if this was Melee it would be different. Bowser is trash.

lol you obviously havent played a good boozer. it's almost like 50-50

 

[HeroMystic]

lol you obviously havent played a good boozer. it's almost like 50-50

I'd say 55:45 Mario at least, but yeah, Bowser can be a handful if you never seen a good one. And even then, it's hard for Mario to get inside.

Bowser's grab game is balls-off-the-wall good.

 

[Matt07]

I posted a thread at the Bowser boards, hopefully then can help us out .

 

[MrEh]

Stay away from BF and Norfair.

Other then that, have fun.

 

[Liquid Gen]

Yeah.

Also, I would recommend counterpicking Luigi's mansion (if it's legal). Your jab lock would **** us.

 

[HeroMystic]

Also, I would recommend counterpicking Luigi's mansion (if it's legal). Your jab lock would **** us.

Bowser's grab release would probably **** harder.

 

[Matt07]

I also think Bowser would live up too 200%+ percent on easily Luigi's Mansion, which could leave us in a bad position. Rainbow Cruise would be my #1, but if they ban RC uh oh.

 

[Darknid]

lol it's f***ing Bowser...do we really need to discuss this one? Any stage is good....just **** him. Now if this was Melee it would be different. Bowser is trash.

Not sure how you can say Bowser was better in melee than he is in brawl, that's ridiculous. Bowser has an answer for almost everything, and the only thing about Mario that even intimidates me is his utilt and the cape when I am recovering. Aside from his fsmash, Mario has a hard time killing the heavy Bowser until very high percentages. Aaanyways..

Stay away from Norfair, and Corneria or really any map with low ceilings, if a map has low ceilings, Bowser's uair, utilt, usmash, fortress, dsmash, bowsa bomb (and dash attack?) can all kill you pretty easily.

I would also stay away from battlefield and FD, to be honest with you.

One that might work is Yoshi's Island. Due to the shape of the main part of the map, he can't bair-spike you while you're hanging, but you could just cape him if he tried anyway so I'm not sure if a Mario would care.

 

[HeroMystic]

If you think Mario's U-tilt is the best thing about him...

 

[hippiedude92]

I read as dtilt so i was like LOL wtf? Really? Boozer has hard time with projectiles and I'm pretty sure if Mario SHs/full hops his fireballs inteingentlly they're abit troublesome for teh rival =/ and upair binds **** him but not if you use it as a approach (duh oos upblol)

Also if Boozer touchs Mario's shield he'll be eating a upb too as well

you guise still have todiscuss boozer in our matchup thread lol

 

[HeroMystic]

No we don't. We still have to discuss Pending on our match-up thread.

***** just won't go away.

 

[Liquid Gen]

Our forward tilt is able to clank with your fireballs, if we don't powershield like we should.

Also, to make this on topic, FD for Mario = Good. Norfair for MArio = Bad.

 

[hippiedude92]

Our forward tilt is able to clank with your fireballs, if we don't powershield like we should.

Also, to make this on topic, FD for Mario = Good. Norfair for MArio = Bad.

you forgot to mention jab since it comes out faster (boozer main here too lol).

flat stages = **** platform stages = mario getting *****

wow i never seen this before. most of the time mario would be ****** majority on platforms lawlz.

 

[iMichael]

lol omg......

 

[vadgama]

Mario has always won against bower. Except maybe on super mario bros when Bowser throws a gajillion hammers at you.

AHHHHH!

 

[Mario_ 101]

hmmm... so to wrap it up...
Stages NOT to choose vs. boozer: Pokeman stadium 1
Final Destination
Smashville
Luigi's Mansion?
Battlefield?

Stages to choose...
Rainbow Cruise

This sound k w/ everyone?

 

[Matt07]

Yea, that sounds good. But I think Smashville is a neutral stage for both of them, and perhaps Luigi's Mansion?

 

[Takeshi245]

Luigi's Mansion? Fireballs won't work so well there. On the other hand, you really don't need to reply on fireballs to take Bowser down. For me, I'd take him to Battlefield and just uair him if he gets on the platforms. Also, Mario has more options to punish Bowser underneath the platforms than Boswer due to uair, bair, and dair. Even so, Bowser can cause trouble underneath the platforms as well. Other than that, it's overall neutral. How about taking Bowser to Rainbow Cruise? Not a lot of people pick that stage.

 

[vadgama]

Yea, that sounds good. But I think Smashville is a neutral stage for both of them, and perhaps Luigi's Mansion?

didnt we already discuss luigi's mansion vs bowser. Bowser has an advantage with the low ceilings letting him survive to high percents.

 

[Matt07]

Ooh yea. My bad, but I thought it's so easy to pull off a jab lock it might be a neutral.

Lol, I take everyone to Rainbow Cruise, best CP ever for me.