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with perfect shield DI ICs could grab everyone out of every moveI would like to point out that SDI has the potential to really hurt MK.
With perfect SDI, a lot of his moves are affected, especially Ftilt and Fair. Tornado obviously, but that's kinda already a given.
With Snake, you can SDI his Nair and Dair. Jab too I guess, correct? Ftilt I believe can't be SDId. I don't see how it hurts him much.
I agree there are many good Jiggly players out there same goes for Link and Ganon =]Jiggly in bottom? That surprises me, I've seen some amazing **** with Jiggly. I have a hard time seeing her or Zelda below mid. I guess they just don't have much of a following there, similar to how Wario doesn't in Japan.
Well I would ahve to somewhat disagree with that notion.Really? I see Snake as the best character in the game at a completely developed meta-game. I get that MK is amazing. He's got it all. Regardless, I find it hard to believe MK's game can develop much further if any. People are already learning ways around everything he has and the biggest threat currently seems to be his stalling game. If rules are made stricter than that goes away. If they are not, people will learn to deal with it better. After all, it IS beatable. Though difficult, almost any character can somehow get around circle camping and the like.
He truly does have tons of tools. I believe, however, that unlike Metaknight, that te ools he has (while possibly greater in number), aren't much more effective.With Snake, it just seems he has soooo many tools. With an amazing ground game and underrated aerials as is, Snake is ****. His specials are among the best in the game. His grenade game is perfect for shutting down options from almost any character. Over time I could see Snakes improving on their flow of projectiles and melee moves to create an even more **** entity while I see MKs only learning to space a bit better.
/my thoughts
"a barrage of them"? He can have two out at once- hardly a "barrage". His mine and C4 aren't going to be right next to me- if they were, I would have already moved. Snake does have a broken range, but if you read my original post, I said "snakes projectiles suck if used at a distance" he does have ridiculously large hitboxes, but they aren't that large.Its a lot easier to say grenades are easy to dodge and avoid until you're actually facing a barage of them, as well as having your options limited by a mine and c4 as well as snakes broken range, if the snake player is good he'll take all your options and eat them.
Any good snake can find their way out of a juggle as well, its not easy sometimes but its doable. All your examples are on how to play snake as MK, its been known for a while that mk beats snake for the most part, that's why snake is 2nd, not 1st. yet you say snake will drop from 2nd place, thanks to the current 1st? How does that even make sense? snake is 2nd because he has favorable match ups with (almost) everyone below him save for two of them, snake, has above average priority, broken range, better options, a good recovery and doesn't die, if snake were to drop then i'm sure it'd be for a good reason, but none of your reasons made any sense or mattered
No its really **** or get *****.do ice climbers have a lot of bad match ups.....i thought they went pretty well all round?
Hey, are you Brazilian? Visit www.1upsmash.zip.netWe have a tier list? Awesome! When is it going to be updated?
Yeah, I'm brazilian. My english is pretty bad. Are we the only brazilians in this site?
Yeah. Only Brazilians. 1upsmash is the Brazilian Forums. Por que estamos falando em Inglês? lolYeah, I'm brazilian. My english is pretty bad. Are we brazilians in this site?
o0 !!!Brazil>USA
Sei lá. Eu vi no começo que algumas pessoas falavam português. Por que será que elas quiseram aprender?Por que estamos falando em Inglês? lol
Existem vários! Temos até um Social Group para os smashers brasileiros, mas nem todos estão lá. Entre lá no 1upsmash que continuaremos a conversa por lá. :]Sei lá. Eu vi no começo que algumas pessoas falavam português. Por que será que elas quiseram aprender?
EDIT: Acho que nós não somos os únicos brasileiros no site não.
o FireBall Stars também é. ^
Against you, FireBall? Aren't you talking about our scene in general? Anyway, this kind of prejudice doens't exist anymore, it used to happen for like 1/5 maybe 2 years ago.Maybe because of some prejudice on Smash Boards against me.
Meu PC não roda o 1upsmash depois da meia noite. Ele só roda alguns sites depois dessa hora, como a smashboards.Existem vários! Temos até um Social Group para os smashers brasileiros, mas nem todos estão lá. Entre lá no 1upsmash que continuaremos a conversa por lá. :]
It's written "from me" in my post Mike, it was my prejudice against swf =PTheMike said:Against you, FireBall? Aren't you talking about our scene in general? Anyway, this kind of prejudice doens't exist anymore, it used to happen for like 1/5 maybe 2 years ago.
Oh wow, sorry. -.-''It's written "from me" in my post Mike, it was my prejudice against swf =P
My tier listIts ashame that while USA might be the better country for brawl, brazil gets more stuff accurate then USA.
While some characters in the list are a lil off, this is more on point than the American tier list.
Brazil>USA
We ain't got MANY ICs mains, a lot of people second them, and they are still UBER but very dependant from their grabs and CG thing.Do you have any videos of brazilian IC players?
i'd love to see what warrants such a high rank :D
Probally would have changed. I'm so pissed I couldn't come. 40 people went. Did p7 win, not sure if he did, I can only halfway under stand portuguess.I wonder if your reply would change if you came to WttC tournament