DDD Social: we livin' in smash 4

[KuroganeHammer]

Solo Popo is walled by everyone in the game including Solimar.

 

[∫unk]

I fight icys with snake... I don't see snakes do this but if I have port advantage then grenade -> u-smash oos (dropping the nade at the same time) seems impossible to punish.

 

[Doc King]

Something cool I'm gonna bring up that can improve our metagame is using our swallow move more effectively. I've relized that when you hit someone with a character who's into a star, its damage is character dependant (By weight). Bowser gives 18% while Puff gives 9% (Not stale & not extra damage from stale move negation). You can also do these team combo where you swallow ur opponent into a star and then have the opponent do some attack on them. Some cool combos would be Zelda's fair and bair and Wario waft.

 

[da K.I.D.]

when they come out of the star form can be controlled by the opponent right?

 

[Doc King]

Yes. So the opponent (Or the ally in this case) can react and pull out a move (Also it has to be 14 frames or less because of air dodging).

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I believe you guys should team with Snake and swallow him and throw him at people.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I do that with my partners sometimes.

ill just into a group of 2/3 people and swallow, if i get an enemy, spit him at his partner, if i get my partner spit him at both of the other team.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I do that with my partners sometimes.

ill just into a group of 2/3 people and swallow, if i get an enemy, spit him at his partner, if i get my partner spit him at both of the other team.

**** is hilarious. I killed @lly's GF by spitting him into her ...he was Snake and she was MK....lmao. My partner was trying really hard not to laugh. He succeeded. I did not.

 

[Zekeishere]

Oh, mk vs ddd is not so bad. I think I got this!

 

[clowsui]

What's good Jackie Clow? I see you lurkin' my boards.

planning my revenge ;o

tho i'm not gonna be at a brawl tourney for a while. next one i'll be at is the one Count will be at i suppose, we're due to team

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Good news everyone!

I think it's finally safe to say I have a character that's exceeded the skill level of my Metaknight.

And the best part is it's my Dedede.

 

[Xubble]

Totally read that with Farnsworth narrating it in my head.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

lol gratz Dirt.

So tomorrow is my tournament. Its going to be a large local with a an out of state showing. I'm taking Zeke's advice and just playing to have fun. I mean naturally I'm going to try my best though. I feel like I've learned quite a bit in the past few months so I'm ready to test some new stuff. I feel like I'm starting to ask the right questions now and think about the right things during a match. We shall see Either way folks, wish me luck.

 

[Doc King]

You know I think I just found out one technique that could greatly improve our matchups. It would be planking. Our up air is fast and gives us a lot of damage, which can be good for scrooging. We have 4 jumps so stuff like edge guarding and ledge grab limit can actually help us (Lgl in the way where a majority don't have as much jumps as D3). I think this works great on Falco because he can't really find any ways to punish it and if he air attack's he will get gimped.

This should be something we should be thinking about towards our metagame improvement.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

You know I think I just found out one technique that could greatly improve our matchups. It would be planking. Our up air is fast and gives us a lot of damage, which can be good for scrooging. We have 4 jumps so stuff like edge guarding and ledge grab limit can actually help us (Lgl in the way where a majority don't have as much jumps as D3). I think this works great on Falco because he can't really find any ways to punish it and if he air attack's he will get gimped.

This should be something we should be thinking about towards our metagame improvement.

We aren't Metaknight.

- Up Air is a commitment. If someone sees it coming and dodges it we can easily be punished.

- Not to mention we are much larger than Metaknight so it wouldn't be hard to do so.

- Up Air is SDIable.

- If we get punished and stage spiked..even if we survive we are now forced to use our rather punishable recovery in a awkward panic like state which is reallllly bad depending on who it is.

Up-air planking is incredible situational and nothing thats going to revolutionize or MUs. We are fat, giant and slow. Most people can chase us and punish us for it easily.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

MetaKnight's Up-air covers pretty much any way you can hit him and ends MEGA FAST.

Our Upair only hits right above us, lasts a long time, and it is easy to hit our sides. If I have to drop off the ledge and attack, I prefer forward air.

 

[Zekeishere]

We aren't Metaknight.

- Up Air is a commitment. If someone sees it coming and dodges it we can easily be punished.

- Not to mention we are much larger than Metaknight so it wouldn't be hard to do so.

- Up Air is SDIable.

- If we get punished and stage spiked..even if we survive we are now forced to use our rather punishable recovery in a awkward panic like state which is reallllly bad depending on who it is.

Up-air planking is incredible situational and nothing thats going to revolutionize or MUs. We are fat, giant and slow. Most people can chase us and punish us for it easily.

This is not entirely true.
1. We do have the fastest fall in the game.
2 Our Up Air costs about two jumps off stage, and maybe a full Up B if we fast fall it.
3. Our U air is kinda tight for planking because can use it from under the lip(just not on a nade) And combined with Fair and Bair, its usable.

 

[Exdeath]

DDD's planking certainly isn't great relative to characters like G&W who are difficult to defeat in practice, however it has quite a few uses and I've been taking ledge trapping over other risks against respawning characters and characters whose risk-reward is pretty balanced against DDD's planking. An example of this would be Falco. 3 Falco Ftilts vs. reading the Ftilt with a DDD Fair at CG % and even beyond that is in DDD's favor in many situations.

In regard to Uair being SDIable, technically that makes it invalid, however practically it's hit-or-miss. I've had people run into my Uair in order to SDI out and spike me, only to fail and be stage-spiked. With that said, I would say that Uair's main use is vs. a shielding opponent who is too close to the ledge. When I use it in such a manner, it's practically improbable for someone to SDI out in time because they'll usually have a few hits to SDI that begin at a time that is difficult to predict.

DDD's planking is good, but you can't auto-pilot with it like MK/G&W/etc. can.

 

[Zekeishere]

Exdeath you have to most pacifistic DDD I have ever seen. Its kinda frustrating to watch you play lol

 

[Exdeath]

Exdeath you have to most pacifistic DDD I have ever seen. Its kinda frustrating to watch you play lol

I'm not actually sure how to take that.

 

[Zekeishere]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31P8hJQZiOE

 

[Doc King]

D3's planking looks pretty good compared to all of the cast. But it's definately not even close to comparable as to mk (Like everyone else in the game) and it's not as great as Pit, DK, and Game and Watch. Probably like the 5th best planking game.

D3's up air actually looks good for scrooging because it's start frames are very small and it's an overall pretty fast move. D3 also has 4 jumps where he can just move around and stuff. Also if characters try to attack us, we can tech or if it's a meteor, just jump or up b (Most characters will have to recover and can't punish our up b lag). Also, if someone is gonna camp us hard and make us suffer from poor approaching (Basically playing stupid), we can try to play hard to get and make them have a hard time approaching (Like revenge ).

 

[Exdeath]

Scrooging is moving beneath the stage from one side to the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31P8hJQZiOE

Wow I played poorly that set...

I was referring to the connotation of your post.

 

[AtotheZ]

I don't have an account so I decided to get someone t upload them for me.

I know this is late, but this made me laugh so hard I spit on my screen

 

[∫unk]

docking do you practice with people irl/go to tournaments? jw

 

[Supreme Dirt]

He plays in online tournaments, durr.

Which obviously matter.


Also UAir is not a dedicated planking move. It's a move you make your opponent learn to fear when you're offstage. It's one of the reasons I love Lylat so much. We can hit so far on the stage with it from below, and most people, in my experience, try to shield it, and then get poked.

 

[7Claus]

I wouldn't rely on it too much though, Dedede's hand hurtbox on the move also kinda goes through the stage, so moves with good vertical hitboxes underneath them (Snake's utilt, MK's dair, etc) can stage spike you when you do that.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Placed 13th out of 40 today.

I went 2nd seed in my pool losing only to Lain. 2-0ed everyone.

Lost to Sparta Kick (#3 in MI) in Winner's (he took 2nd at this and beat Lain and Anther) in a very close, Game 3 set. He was the whole set.

Lost to Azure Kenny (#2 in MI) in a close set as well in Loser's. I went vs him Game 1 and got him to last stock...and then took him to Frigate as D3 and lost last hit last stock. Both matches were against his

No regrets, I played well today..and my Wario did a good amount of work today so I'm happy I had a lot of fun today most of all! That's a lot considering that I had to host as well lol I'm so sleepy now.

 

[Zekeishere]

Scrooging is moving beneath the stage from one side to the other.



Wow I played poorly that set...

I was referring to the connotation of your post.

It was negative. I dont know what you thought you cold accomplish by just getting hit by peanuts lol. But meh, I'm sure you're better than that video depicts.

 

[Zekeishere]

Good job TC I went about 3-1 in life yesterday and today.

I'm going to a large Tijuana tournament tomorrow with TKD, AC, and Waymas. And hopefully Addy will be there because I don't think he is as good as Jebus thinks he is. It will be my first tourney since Texas and I've hardly played so ima pretty excited.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

I really like Frigate as Dedede

 

[shaSLAM]

im starting to find uses for brinstar.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I know MK is pretty good on Frigate but my personal preferences lead me to really like fighting MKs on that stage. There's a lot the stage offers in my opinion. Then again it may just be a personal thing is all.

And thanks Zeke. I can definitely see myself improving now that I know what I need to do. I love this feeling.

Also what does "3-1 with life" mean...? lol

 

[Xubble]

PS2 is appealing to me lately.

Edit: DAMN IT TECH YOU BROKE THE COMBO

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

^ I am so out of it. I had like one hour of sleep before the tournament and did somehow played better than I have in a long time....but now that I slept 12 hours....I still feel totally out of it lmao. Need coffee...<_<

 

[∫unk]

well I didn't go to a tournament but I played for the first time in a couple of weeks and I'm rusty as hell

can't even cg T-T

 

[Exdeath]

It was negative. I dont know what you thought you cold accomplish by just getting hit by peanuts lol. But meh, I'm sure you're better than that video depicts.

That Diddy player usually plays aggressively and I was expecting him to run out of patience. I'd just played a Diddy who I managed to take from 30 to death while I was at 180% by planking and throwing his peanuts back at him (I've made a few notable comebacks this way), so that's why I tried it. There's actually a video of me beating the best Diddy in Florida on that same channel (from that same tournament).

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I guess I'm moving up on my state's PR.

 

[Xubble]

Sooooo I'm taking a semester off from school.

So expect to see my name on some tournament results in 2012. Might even attend Apex! :D

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Hurrah!

School was the bane of my existence when I went lol.

I forgot to go Dedede at my tournament 2 days ago.

And someone took my GC controller which puts me out of practise from brawl and frame data stuff until I paint this other one. >.> <.<