**Diddy Kong [Old] General Match-Ups**

[Adam_]

Online is horrific.

Lol My bro still has no chance against me.
Dumb falco lol.
Theres a tourney in west palm?

 

[AlphaZealot]

I envy you AZ. my ISP is so terrible with brawl that i can't even attempt to use diddy online. Its so bad, that glide tossing is hard, and i can barely shield anything due to higher than normal delay.

I know what you mean, online is something that you just have to learn to deal with. I think Diddy is one of the worst characters for online play, though.

 

[Vyse]

I'm probably going to change the discussion over tommorow.
The character change over date was meant to be Wednesday, but I was slack last week : P

 

[psike]

Versus a Falco, you have to keep a few things in mind:

Don't use the dair off stage unless you know they aren't expecting it- you will get spiked. Instead, use the barrels to spike, but only if you know exactly when they are going to overb so you can catch them in the middle of it.

Don't throw banana's frequently as you would against most other characters. Leave them on the ground, and use them to control stage space and increase your combos (i.e. throw falco to them and keep him from picking them up). You want to keep a banana down, but you need to keep falco from using it against you too.

Watch the Fsmash! This is when you should ftilt the bird. Also, along these lines, dont use the neutral a tail whip thing, you will get punished.

This is definitely a hard match for Diddy.

 

[Vyse]

This week's matchup will be MetaKnight. We had to cross this bridge at some point. And I think, despite what's been said already about this matchup in that other thread, I still believe that we shoul dbe discussing high tiered matchups early on so that people can benefit from the discussion of matchups against commonly used characters.

Against MetaKnight, people will agree that unless you are an exceptional player, this will be somewhat of an uphill battle. At least Meta doesn't have a reflector that I know of.

When I play against (good) MetaKnights, generally screwing up once means I've lost the momentum completely. It's hard to reset the pace of a match sometimes since this character likes to hop around alot, avoiding the bananas generally. It really is a test of your banana control.

 

[Count]

All this being said, I think Diddy's matchup vs Meta Knight is better than the majority of the cast. Does this mean that Meta Knight is a favorable matchup?! Of course not! It does mean that diddy has more weapons to counter Meta Knight than most. One plus is that Meta Knight may have a hard time spamming his nado since a banana will end that.

 

[NinjaLink]

Yea. I have a whole bunch of vids to show what stops the nado.

 

[Colbert]

I'm not sure exactly what the purpose of this topic is...?
Is it to rate the matchups based on difficulty (accurate matchup chart) or tell the best way to win the matchup?

Anyway, I'd say that Falco is probably one of Diddy's hardest matchups. Falco will win on the ground if he is any good. Phantasm, Reflector, and his jab combo are too good for spacing, and he will probably force you to approach. Obviously the reflector is also an anti-banana tool and you're going to have to find way around it. The best way to win this is to somehow get Falco into a position where he is forced to use his UpB. When Falco is forced to do this, you should capitalize at least 50 percent of the time. I personally don't reccommend being too afraid of that Phantasm spike.

Falco has too many options with his downthrow to rack up damage along with his campy laser game and gatling combo. His spacing will give him the advantage on the ground, and in the air it isn't one-sided either way.

30-70 in Falco's favor.

 

[Vyse]

I'm not sure exactly what the purpose of this topic is...?
Is it to rate the matchups based on difficulty (accurate matchup chart) or tell the best way to win the matchup?

Pretty much : ]

 

[Adam_]

side b counters it too right? and hitting the nado from above?

 

[Wafflekingz]

When I play against (good) MetaKnights, generally screwing up once means I've lost the momentum completely. It's hard to reset the pace of a match sometimes since this character likes to hop around alot, avoiding the bananas generally. It really is a test of your banana control.

Yes, this is the biggest problem I encounter. Metaknight is fast has more range aswell as a better air and ground game than diddy. If he keeps up constant pressure it is very difficult to get a banana game going. Which becuase of metaknights strengths is required to compete with him. A good metaknight will stay on your *** and stop you from pulling out bananas and being able to control them well. Plus although diddy has a respectable recovery it isn't difficult for metaknight to follow you off the edge and get the kill.

If anyone has seen nanrz videos vs metaknight then you know from the smashville matchup that if you control your bananas well you can stop him in his tracks. But if you don't get a favorable map or you have a metaknight who is glidetossing->downsmash and is really pressuring and controlling your bananas there will be trouble.

The best thing I find is to really take the right opportunities to pull out bananas, which can be hard to find. Just common sense things like after throws or simply doing a short hop away from mk and pulling out a banana when hes coming after you can help. Be sure to air dodge his up b and try to pull a banana out as he is landing, you really have to find times where you can get a banana out and not lose control of it.

Also for his tornado I believe it has been said that things like side b and ftilt can knock him out along with bananas. His down tilt and down smash have great range and he will most likely be switching up his approaches with dash attack and grabs which he will turn into an arial combo much like we diddys do. Air dodge out and get back on the ground asap so you don't end up getting knocked off the edge and killed. Be prepared to be patient and play defensively untill you can get bananas out again if mk has stopped your flow at any time.

This is a harder matchup then snake imo, if you get a skilled mk, especially one that knows how to play against diddy and use bananas well, this fight can as difficult if not more so than falco.

 

[Wafflekingz]

Oh ya I forgot, glide tossing backwards is your friend when metaknight is coming for you and coming fast. It gets you out of harms way and set up a dash attack combo.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Diddy's main problem is when hes rushed. His bannana game is gone and your forced to play w/o them. Metaknight is very fast and has a great dash attack. He can always be on your tail. Diddy Kong leaves himself open when he brings out a banana and it goes into the air where it can be intercepted by Metaknight who has a much better chance at getting to it before you. Metaknights is very fast and unpredicatble in the air so your not going to have a chance of spiking him. Though, if you do get banana's out you do have a good chance of beating him. Also the stages have a huge say in this as well. Diddy Kong will do much better against metaknight on FD then battlefeild. If your playing on battle feild, well GG. On the plus side against metaknight. Banana's just about stop all of his moves, including the mach tornado. Hes a light character too so you can knock him out early.

 

[saberhof]

i guessing in theses situations, i would pick a stage where you wouldnt be able to worry where you get your bananas.....and have good knowledge of the mechanics of the smash banana and stuff like that...besides, some of diddy's aerials have more priority if i am right on this, and you can just keep him away for a while then just be patient... the metaknight either a) will screw up b) will trip c) will fall onto one of your tilts/aerials....then after that... its your banana game...witch is another story...

:O thats how i think about it....

 

[NinjaLink]

Very true on these claims. I can say use bait ALOT. if u wanna throw bananas throw him up and down-b into him. It'll toss it to him for an obstacle while gettin the bananas out.

 

[CHOMPY]

Honestly, I find Metaknight to be pretty easy because all he has is a sword with no projectiles. Hes really light and he has a tough time takinig hits from the banana's. Make sure that your not in the air because thats where Metaknight has the advantage over Diddy. I believe that if you throw a banana peel while Metaknight uses the tornado move, he automatically stops and you can kinda combo him from there.

 

[ADHD]

Yeah, I find this very easy. After fighting metas for about 4 months, this matchup is cake wit h diddz

Can we start with ZSS next week? Because honestly she is the worst matchup for diddy.... EVAR

 

[NinjaLink]

Yeah, I find this very easy. After fighting metas for about 4 months, this matchup is cake wit h diddz

Can we start with ZSS next week? Because honestly she is the worst matchup for diddy.... EVAR

lol i laugh at this.

 

[kkkoala]

funny how 2 of u say mk is ez

hes pretty much hands down the best char and doesnt have many weaknesses and although mk requires zero skill to play, u guys apperently only played mk's w/negative skill

best thing i can say is upB spike vs mk is secksy ^^ jus dont do it w/wrong spacing anywhere u cant grab right on2 the ledge @

 

[Count]

Up b spike with meta knight is also very risky, considering if he happens to hit you before you land it somehow then you are going to have a rough time recovering.

 

[NinjaLink]

funny how 2 of u say mk is ez

hes pretty much hands down the best char and doesnt have many weaknesses and although mk requires zero skill to play, u guys apperently only played mk's w/negative skill

best thing i can say is upB spike vs mk is secksy ^^ jus dont do it w/wrong spacing anywhere u cant grab right on2 the ledge @

once again for like the 4th time sayin it. I fought M2Ks meta knight and had NO PROBLEM.

 

[Wafflekingz]

once again for like the 4th time sayin it. I fought M2Ks meta knight and had NO PROBLEM.

Thats pretty impressive, you guys should video a best out of 3 sometime, Id love to see it since i have trouble with some metaknights. how many friendlies did u guys do just the one?

 

[NinjaLink]

i was goin random on him to test out matchups. Diddy came up so......yea lol.

 

[ADHD]

Idk if its just me, but I really have problems with ZSS

Alot harder than metaknight....

 

[NinjaLink]

**** her with her own armor. Nuff said.

 

[ADHD]

**** her with her own armor. Nuff said.

Thats the first stock lol, I can't approach her, I have to use my nanerz but she's fast and steals them. Have you went against snakeee? He lives in your state, hes a ZSS main and he's really good

 

[NinjaLink]

Thats the first stock lol, I can't approach her, I have to use my nanerz but she's fast and steals them. Have you went against snakeee? He lives in your state, hes a ZSS main and he's really good

i beat him last weekly.

 

[~^.NoiR.^~]

funny how 2 of u say mk is ez

hes pretty much hands down the best char and doesnt have many weaknesses and although mk requires zero skill to play, u guys apperently only played mk's w/negative skill

best thing i can say is upB spike vs mk is secksy ^^ jus dont do it w/wrong spacing anywhere u cant grab right on2 the ledge @

mk isnt that bad for diddy. I have a problem against a good one because the first time I played a good one was saturday against yay

 

[pastaboy]

i beat him last weekly.

infinite lolz

 

[ADHD]

i beat him last weekly.

Tell me your tips!

 

[Vyse]

Yes NinjaLink, we know that your Diddy is too good.

Which tournament did you place 4th in again? Mass madness wasn't it?
Who ended up putting you out?

Also, I can handle most Metaknights. There's just one particular Metaknight in my area that seems unbeatable, Ammeren/Amaterasu (He's changed usernames lol). Though, it doesn't matter who anybody plays, he rarely gets beaten.

Though, if NL can beat M2K's metaknight, then it's only a matter of time I guess until trends change.

I remember a time in the melee era when Samus couldn't beat Falco, or when Fox couldn't beat Peach lol.

 

[ADHD]

Yes NinjaLink, we know that your Diddy is too good.

Which tournament did you place 4th in again? Mass madness wasn't it?
Who ended up putting you out?

Also, I can handle most Metaknights. There's just one particular Metaknight in my area that seems unbeatable, Ammeren/Amaterasu (He's changed usernames lol). Though, it doesn't matter who anybody plays, he rarely gets beaten.

Though, if NL can beat M2K's metaknight, then it's only a matter of time I guess until trends change.

I remember a time in the melee era when Samus couldn't beat Falco, or when Fox couldn't beat Peach lol.

Oh god, if NL beats mew2king then we have diddy whored up in tournies? You really want that? Our precious chimp being over rated?

 

[NinjaLink]

Oh god, if NL beats mew2king then we have diddy whored up in tournies? You really want that? Our precious chimp being over rated?

Too late....ppl are already meatriding.......sigh...its like a porno movie in NY. I Spawned so many its crazy. Got Me Tight!

As for mass madness i didnt go all diddy but oh well.

I did win S.W.R Event 4 both Singles and Teams.
http://www.allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=1646
look here

 

[Snakeee]

i beat him last weekly.

Well I beat you the last weekly we played

 

[Vyse]

^Oh bam!^
lol.

 

[UnSaxon51]

I wish I had more experience with this matchup. MK and Diddy are my two mains, but no one else I know plays either of them. Based on my own playstyle for each, I'd say that MK would probably have the advantage, mostly because of his aerial superiority and ability to avoid bananas.

(just as a disclaimer, I want to mention that I planned on maining both of these characters since they were first announced. no band wagonning here!)

 

[NinjaLink]

Well I beat you the last weekly we played

oh no u didnt just come up in here

 

[Beetle Juice]

busted lmao

 

[NinjaLink]

Busted for what? Anyway Snakeee i beat u. otherwise i wouldnt have gotten first friday. Unless ur talkin about months ago when we played.

 

[Snakeee]

Busted for what? Anyway Snakeee i beat u. otherwise i wouldnt have gotten first friday. Unless ur talkin about months ago when we played.

I meant the time before RUHLAX lol.