Evaluation/Help your G&W,Video Critique Thread,Updated (11-01-09))

[Noa.]

lol tried out a few more up and B's today in some matches as you recommended xD
actually helped me out more than i thought it would:o

anyway thanks^_^
going to a tourney tomorrow
hope i do well

See, I told you that UpB was pretty amazing. It combos out of most things and into a lot of things.

I hope you did well at your tourney as well.

 

[PentaSalia]

lol i did...okay..not bad but alright
not as well as i wanted to do
didn't really get any replays since there wee only 4 wiis so i barely got any friendlies in either lol

oh well maybe i'll do better at the next one in 3 weeks xD

 

[Noa.]

The next three weeks I'll hopefully be able to go to a tourney each week.

Summer is rolling in so I have more spare time in my hands for smash. I expect to have tremendously improve by the end of August.

 

[PentaSalia]

haha i share the same goal
i wanna be a lot better by the time my next school year starts xP
and most likely NY will start having more weeklies during the summer too lol

all i need is money now

goodluck to you

 

[Noa.]

Same to you as well.

A university around here has smashfests practically everyday of the week, but I got no ride to them. But I got no ride to them. D=

 

[PentaSalia]

nobody has anymore videos?

i really like critiquing lol

going to another weeklies soon
hopefully i can get some vids in this time >.>

 

[kaak]

nobody has anymore videos?

i really like critiquing lol

going to another weeklies soon
hopefully i can get some vids in this time >.>

i have some vids against players that not that good xd
intrested?

 

[PentaSalia]

lol go ahead

there aren't any restrictions on what videos are allowed

 

[UTDZac]

lol go ahead

there aren't any restrictions on what videos are allowed

Well, in that case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fccJnX0n7yg


j/k =) I don't have any videos of my G&W up yet. I really want to put some here, I just don't have any. All the ones I seem to have with me are teams matches, like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmuXhTeIp7Q

 

[not_corey]

Alright, so this was my 1st tournament and this G&W ditto was my 1st tourney match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUvNkxKKno8

This one is vs Snake. I play pretty well but once I get up a stock on him I start playing like a tard I guess...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgOmeIwBM2w

I wish I would have recorded my friendlies with Xisin but The camera was out in the car ...He JV two stocked me both times...

 

[PentaSalia]

Well, in that case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fccJnX0n7yg


j/k =) I don't have any videos of my G&W up yet. I really want to put some here, I just don't have any. All the ones I seem to have with me are teams matches, like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmuXhTeIp7Q

lol Duelist pro
epic

as for the team battle, wow nice kill on kos mos at the end
that fair after that nair was unexpected,
i liked how you charge your smashes enough to trick your opponents
i'm still learning to do that without getting punished lol

you're obviously a better player than me lol,so i don't have much to say, you played well



corey ,i briefly saw your videos cuz i have to go now
look back at this post tomorrow, i'll have em done

but from what i saw is that you got too aggressive in the end vs snake which is why he was able to catch up on you. and you could have tried using your first jump before you approached snake from the ledge with fair. or maybe you shouldn't have tried that at all lol. I also don't know what to do when im at 150%last stock, on the ledge with snake waiting to kill you lol. It's a horrible situation to be in :o

 

[kaak]

ok i upload the vids tonight.

 

[PentaSalia]

Alright, so this was my 1st tournament and this G&W ditto was my 1st tourney match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUvNkxKKno8

This one is vs Snake. I play pretty well but once I get up a stock on him I start playing like a tard I guess...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgOmeIwBM2w

I wish I would have recorded my friendlies with Xisin but The camera was out in the car ...He JV two stocked me both times...

both matches pretty much had the same problem
first match against G&W
you weren't really spacing well at first, you were being too aggressive , and you're approaches become too predictable,especially with key down and fair which led to you losing the first stock

after that you began to space your approaches well , though be careful about how much you roll dodge, it's pretty slow and up and B is a better for escaping but i still have to learn to stop doing that as well xD but just pointing it out.

vs snake
you were doing quite well for the first 2 stocks but you hit the same problem once he was on his lost stock, you become too aggressive and your approaches were lacking a bit. Approaching with fair when snake is at 20% doesn't really have any reward to it unless you hit him and it sends him offstage but you were easily punished for it once it failed. Also you had a lot of chances to land a few free nairs when snake was in the air, i didn't see too much of nair. When you were at your second stock at killing % and you landed in front of snake,i think it would have been better just to up and B out of there instead of going for a fmsmash or any attack at all. Remember that snake's ftilt comes out fast and it's range is pretty long,don't underestimate it for one second
especially for a slow smash like fmash
and again,careful with the roll dodging
he was able to pick up your habit and grab you once you rolled behind him.


overall just keep up the good flow when you're playing
that's all really,only reason you lost was because you become too aggressive against characters that punish that.

oh and nice job on the dashes o.o
but be careful about how much you use it



and alright kaak
looking forward to it

 

[not_corey]

Yeah... the person I practice with most uses Wolf and Lolimar so my patience is pretty lacking, Im used to staying aggressive. But this was only my 1st tourney, Ill be sure to play WAY smarter next time.

 

[LuVr]

Hmm, I should get some footage soon... I typically dont overcharge at my opponents with G&W... it costs too much, especially against snakes and more successful aggressive characters... I tend to be more aggressive with Marth, but thats for a different forum... My true main is G&W and I hope to help move him up in the tier... Just need to go to a tourney for one thing...

 

[kaak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ-JxH_qerg&feature=channel_page

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOANeqGS6u8&feature=channel_page


believe it or not i don't have experience against mk.
Holland have a small smash comunity so we got here only 2 mk players.


the matches are player 1 month ago so the are a bit out of dat.

 

[UTDZac]

@kaak: I've always enjoyed watching your G&W play. Here one tip for playing against MK:

Learn to punish ALL of his B moves. Watch my video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1wub4Jg8dY

Can't think of anything else at the moment.

 

[kaak]

@kaak: I've always enjoyed watching your G&W play. Here one tip for playing against MK:

Learn to punish ALL of his B moves. Watch my video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1wub4Jg8dY

Can't think of anything else at the moment.

thanks ZAC yeah i know the upB oos for tornado now but i got hard time with the upB of mk missings some exp... holland is to small :<

 

[FakeGeorge]

Kaak, I like your G&W, haha. Your use of F-smash is cool. It looked like you were good at predicting when your opponents were going to move right into it.

In the match against MK, around 2:42, when you grab the MK on the platform, what if you tried walking to the middle of the platform and D-smashing instead of techchasing with U-smash? The sweetspot would cover both ends of the platform, and would have KOed if it hit.

If you try for a D-smash instead of a U-smash, then I think it would cover your opponent's options better. From the middle of a platform, the Dsmash will tip (and in this case KO) if your opponent rolls. If he simply stands, then you can grab and reset the situation on reaction. The get up attack would be the problem. A techchase tends to place you out of the range of a get up attack, so it's safer. You can try shielding, and I think you could drop your shield and connect with a D-smash on reaction. In the video, you weren't quite in the center of the platform, but if you expect a roll, then you can just walk a few steps. This wouldn't be as safe (necessarily) as a running U-smash, but you don't have to guess quite as much. If you think they'll roll, then you get the stock right then and there.

In general, I'm particularly curious as to whether or not using a D-smash (not a buffered one that would sourspot) on a platform to follow up a D-throw would be better than trying to techchase with U-smash. For anyone who's tried this before, have you had any more success than trying to techchase with U-smash?

 

[kaak]

Kaak, I like your G&W, haha. Your use of F-smash is cool. It looked like you were good at predicting when your opponents were going to move right into it.

In the match against MK, around 2:42, when you grab the MK on the platform, what if you tried walking to the middle of the platform and D-smashing instead of techchasing with U-smash? The sweetspot would cover both ends of the platform, and would have KOed if it hit.

If you try for a D-smash instead of a U-smash, then I think it would cover your opponent's options better. From the middle of a platform, the Dsmash will tip (and in this case KO) if your opponent rolls. If he simply stands, then you can grab and reset the situation on reaction. The get up attack would be the problem. A techchase tends to place you out of the range of a get up attack, so it's safer. You can try shielding, and I think you could drop your shield and connect with a D-smash on reaction. In the video, you weren't quite in the center of the platform, but if you expect a roll, then you can just walk a few steps. This wouldn't be as safe (necessarily) as a running U-smash, but you don't have to guess quite as much. If you think they'll roll, then you get the stock right then and there.

In general, I'm particularly curious as to whether or not using a D-smash (not a buffered one that would sourspot) on a platform to follow up a D-throw would be better than trying to techchase with U-smash. For anyone who's tried this before, have you had any more success than trying to techchase with U-smash?

good point, or maybe dthrow -> fall trough platform -> jump fair for if the opponent do constaly get-up atack.

i think the dthrow -> Dsmash only work against opponent's wo not tech or on a small platform. But again good point

 

[FakeGeorge]

The Fair sounds like it would work pretty well, and yeah, I was thinking about the Dsmash only on a platform or other restricted area.

Something else that I like to do on occasion is jump/ double jump and Dair. It might not be the best choice, but it can work to mix things up.

 

[PentaSalia]

nice job on the fairs kaak o.o
real nice
but as UTD zacy said,just work on punishing all his b moves
and everyone else was pretty much already covered up there^^^ lol




ima post a vid of me vsing snake sometime
i really need help with this match up._.
i always get em down to 1 stock but i always lose lol


edit: camera isnt working x_x

 

[jayboi221]

I need help with my GnW please critique be harsh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHDHzgxy8fw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUiwBurBA8

 

[PentaSalia]

i'll get em tomorrow if nobody else has

 

[Grey Belnades]

I need help with my GnW please critique be harsh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHDHzgxy8fw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUiwBurBA8

the first video, the only thing if i have to give some criticism, is you tend to dair when grabbed but other than that, you G&W is pretty good

the 2nd video: actually, i have no critique to give since your G&W did fine 3 stocking that jigglypuff >.>

 

[PentaSalia]

I need help with my GnW please critique be harsh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHDHzgxy8fw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUiwBurBA8

Probably would have preferred a video where the battle was a bit more closer
you 2/3 stocked him lol
it's easier to see on what you're doing wrong if the match is more intense
everything seemed to work on jigglypuff here lol


anyway
you seem to be overly aggressive in both matches
which happened to work because your opponent was also aggressive lol

and careful about your approaches, you seemed to approach with fair a lot from a far distance
so it can be easily shield blocked
more nairs wouldn't have been bad, it works really well against jigglypuff
as this is a great match up for G&W lol
and as gamingblack said, you tend to dair when grabbed

Overally really not much to critique since the match went pretty smoothly for you lol
but just be careful on how aggressive you are, it will not work against some characters
cough*snake*
so work on your spacing lol

and nice kill at the end

Alright
first page updated

 

[kaak]

I need help with my GnW please critique be harsh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHDHzgxy8fw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUiwBurBA8

To much random smash if you ask me

 

[kaak]

This will be changed into a records post of all the videos that have been critiqued
It'll keep things organized and keep a wide variety of videos available for other players to watch for whatever reason.I'll start with the latest video xD. And i got the idea from another boards so don't accuse me of copying;(. All credit to them lol



RECORDS
1.Kaak 6-11-09
Video 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ-JxH_qerg&feature=channel_page
Critique: UTD ZAC. FakeGeorge
Video 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOANeqGS6u8&feature=channel_page
Critique: UTD ZAV. FakeGeorge

2.JayBoi221 6-15-09
Video 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHDHzgxy8fw
Critique: PentaSalia. GamingBlack
Video 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUiwBurBA8
Critique: PentaSalia GamingBlack

Video 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOANeqGS6u8&feature=channel_page
Critique: UTD ZAV. FakeGeorge


UTD ZAV lol hahah where is my cash >:]
i will soon upload more going tommorow to a invite only smashfest with the best players of holland

 

[UTDZac]

I'll have some videos for you guys to watch of my G&W come after this weekend. I'll probably upload a teaser later today when I get off work.

 

[Cyan_]

Hey, can someone help me with the Diddy matchup and tell me what I'm doing wrong? Much appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdMbxat9zg&feature=channel_page 1st match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXJ8KV-OBc&feature=channel_page 3rd

Thanks.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Hey, can someone help me with the Diddy matchup and tell me what I'm doing wrong? Much appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdMbxat9zg&feature=channel_page 1st match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXJ8KV-OBc&feature=channel_page 3rd

Thanks.

well, the only thing i would say for the 1st video is that you were going after him during when you still had 3 stocks in the video, maybe hit & run instead of going after him imo >.>

currently watching 2nd video
edit: **** computer, won't let me see the video, I'll get to this asap

 

[Cyan_]

Thanks a lot. Don't have much Diddy exp.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Thanks a lot. Don't have much Diddy exp.

no problem, ok i saw the 2nd video, the thing that mostly affected you was the nanas and grabs, i would suggest maybe try staying away from the ground and try attacking from the air more >.>

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

what?! JKBUK has vids?!?!

yeah. jw what you guys think, I could always use advice. Singles and Doubles.

Real quick, things to note:
i strong fair
about 50% of the time i was using bacon, it was sorta screwing around


Singles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5-cR7mUhAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4QEZuVgYBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufTllxemxUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNYGYdvmn0I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g13Kg7Vlz7A

Doubles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZodfGE_iaN0 <---last kill was totally a trap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxfvXQ1lZWw <--- :43 = sweet combo on my teammate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbFPP1b-hns <---last kill, f-smash does it again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5etfR1YkIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huUUBpMxnDw <--- 1:30, upsmash > all

 

[PentaSalia]

Why so empty today?,i think everyone here finally decided to go look for a Misses Game and Watch of their own. lol



but really,i agree with gaming black on the Cyan vids though i only skimmed the videos
i saw a few more things to point out but i'll let ya know tomorrow when i get home
Though i'm not Diddy expert either,maybe someone else knows this match up better lol

JKBUK
same,i skimmed thru the first singles vid
you spaced well overall, though you had alot of chances to nair instead of bair when you got D3 in the air

and careful about how much bacon you use lol;/




Edit to JkBUK
Alright i saw like 2 of your singles matches.
I noticed that the DDD player did not spam his projectile at all lol,dont even mean that literally
you took advantage of it somewhat but more bair spam would have been perfect here

your Fair game is...good but you do use a bit too much in my opinion
careful on your approaches using fair
Also, you try to go for a fair first anytime you sent your opponent into the air
like bair into fair,it did not work most of the times you tried it and you were right below DDD so you could possibly been punished for it. Nair would have been a better option as you also could have combo'd into an uair or up and B for extra damage and overall works on character like DDD best.Your approaches were good but you did try to approach with nair at sometimes, just becareful about that.

your spacing was fine but you were a bit too aggro at times but luckily you were really punished for it.

Overall,you played well though you do fair a bit too much when there are better options

and im assuming you were just playing around with bacon lol



and Cyan,ima have to agree with in what gamingblack said
that's all

 

[kaak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSj20svgF2E&feature=channel_page

realy marth is hard >.>

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

ick. that marth, no offense if anyones gunna take it, was really not good.

Back-airs could have been sheilded, then punished with up-b, which i only saw once.
@ 1:08 where he just sits there and gets shield grabbed... marth should almost never be grabbed by G&W.
EWW at 2:05.
Things about that marth: -didn't use nearly enough f-smash. Any marths I lose to is nearly 100% because of tots. -Didn't seem to know that marth's fair>bacon, which is weird, because this marth really loved to space fair. -Didn't recover nearly as well as most marth's should.

However, on your part Kaak. The thing I noticed most was lack of punished d-airs. Very good. Thats something I see a lot of when I watch G&W's.

Marth is G&W's 2nd worst match up. This marth doesn't quite know how to play himself, let alone know enough to punish you.

 

[Cyan_]

JKBUK, can ya give me some tips against Diddy?

Vids up there. ^

 

[PentaSalia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSj20svgF2E&feature=channel_page

realy marth is hard >.>

lol really nice job n the bacon overall o.o
wow

 

[Grey Belnades]

ick. that marth, no offense if anyones gunna take it, was really not good.

Back-airs could have been sheilded, then punished with up-b, which i only saw once.
@ 1:08 where he just sits there and gets shield grabbed... marth should almost never be grabbed by G&W.
EWW at 2:05.
Things about that marth: -didn't use nearly enough f-smash. Any marths I lose to is nearly 100% because of tots. -Didn't seem to know that marth's fair>bacon, which is weird, because this marth really loved to space fair. -Didn't recover nearly as well as most marth's should.

However, on your part Kaak. The thing I noticed most was lack of punished d-airs. Very good. Thats something I see a lot of when I watch G&W's.

Marth is G&W's 2nd worst match up. This marth doesn't quite know how to play himself, let alone know enough to punish you.

Yes, I have to agree, that Marth looked easy to me, when you have a Marth that does things as JKBUK said, that would be a hard Marth to face, however you did pretty well in the end >.>