Falcon Mind-Meld: A Captain Falcon Matchup Thread (now on: EDGEGUARDING))

Walt · Aug 3, 2011

At the falcon only tournaments we had back when Ownapalooza's were still going utilt was considered bad manner. And ideally the winner was whoever did more awesome stuff. But someone would always utilt kill at like 20% then the winner would just be whoever normally won hahaha.

Roneblaster · Aug 3, 2011

I upB oos all the time. It is ONLY good at high percents or nears the edge. Period. Not negotiable. They can CC it (i think) and if not that i know for mother ****ing fact good characters can just tech roll back towards you and punish ur landing lag.

0Room · Aug 3, 2011

Walt said:
At the falcon only tournaments we had back when Ownapalooza's were still going utilt was considered bad manner. And ideally the winner was whoever did more awesome stuff. But someone would always utilt kill at like 20% then the winner would just be whoever normally won hahaha.

Well I mean the way you play Falcon dittos is one of two ways

1) What you just described [be as awesome as possible]
2) Do what johnny did vs SS and **** their mobility by jabbing them all the time and being really "gay"

Brookman · Aug 3, 2011

Up B is actually extremely good at punishing a fox short hop nair >_>

If you're perfect, of course.

(Read: Grab hitbox > priority)

Wenbobular · Aug 7, 2011

Uhh.
Having a move out >>>> infinity frames of startup
Not going to work on a ~~good space animal~~ anyone that can L-cancel

Skeletom · Aug 8, 2011

fox's full hop nair approach.
it seems stupid but it freezes me up as i don't know how to either get on top of it or get around it. i know s2j answered this previously and 0room put it up in that AMAZING guide of his but i couldn't quite understand how you stomp that approach.
i've got the sh nair covered with dd away -> sh over and stomp their face in, but can't cover the full hop.

also, 0room for pres.

0Room · Aug 8, 2011

There are a lot of things that I really have realized is so ****ing good
and those are things that I never understood before

One of those things are full hops

They're ****ing amazing against Falco and against people who Short hop all the time

You see
SH = SH
SH < FH
FH = FH

So if you Fox is coming at you with a FH nair
FH nair him back
or FH uair
Or DD away
Basically just match his options with your options

When he was talking about stomping approaches he was talking about when they dive in too far and you can stomp their approach

Fortress | Sveet · Aug 8, 2011

If fullhop beats both shorthop and fullhop... why don't you just fullhop every time?

0Room · Aug 8, 2011

Because if they don't FH
Then they can just DD->**** you

I guess I should've added that answer

Walt · Aug 9, 2011

Just played a bit with the Germ and Bob$ and man, I just did not care tonight. Usually I'm all hype about melee but I just did not give a ****. This is like the first time that's ever happened and it's weird.

Windrose · Aug 9, 2011

It is the falcon period.

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Da Shuffla · Aug 9, 2011

I remember someone telling me a rock-paper-scissors scenario.

Full hop beats short hop.

Standing there/DD beats Full hop.

Short hop beats standing there.

0Room · Aug 9, 2011

Now see I was gonna say that
But Fox's USmash beats everything you do

Sooooooooooo

And technically DD beats everything

One of the more famous quotes here on SWF is "Even the best approach can always be beaten by WD backwards"

Da Shuffla · Aug 9, 2011

Edit: Ignore this post.

0Room · Aug 9, 2011

It shall be ignored

Raidex · Aug 9, 2011

0Room said:
It shall be ignored

That's not ignoring.

0Room · Aug 9, 2011

ugh you're right :/

But in all seriousness
Fullhop beats Shorthop

But the problem with Fullhop is that it's slow, and people have time to set up and punish if you do something dumb
So
If you have Fox fullhop nair you
Set up
and punish them for doing something dumb

Winston · Aug 10, 2011

0Room said:
Now see I was gonna say that
But Fox's USmash beats everything you do

Sooooooooooo
And technically DD beats everything

One of the more famous quotes here on SWF is "Even the best approach can always be beaten by WD backwards"

no, WD backwards loses to DDing forwards by the same amount that they WDed backwards by, and DDing loses to overshot aerial

I mean obviously it's not that simple, but if you want to look at it from an RPS point of view, they have "counters" also

0Room · Aug 10, 2011

I think the point of the quote was that there's a counter to everything

Skeletom · Aug 10, 2011

just thought of a great idea for dealing with that fullhop. just wd back to fsmash :D

haha, so trying this out next tourney.

Walt · Aug 10, 2011

Man I love fsmash. The fade back on it makes it so useful when you read a move. It's just like reading a roll. Only you're reading a tipper.

Skeletom · Aug 10, 2011

definitely an underrated move. and yeah, that small step back that he does is beautiful.
kinda feels like a counter move except less gimmicky and less consensual.

0Room · Aug 10, 2011

I ****ing HATED Fsmash because of that

Skeletom · Aug 10, 2011

why the fsmash hate?

0Room · Aug 10, 2011

I kept running into it because of the pullback lol

Speaking of tricks though
I started stalking Magus and found a bunch of cool stuff
Unfortunately I haven't had time to properly name it all but here it is if anyone's interested
New Posts!
This is a section where you can see what was added recently, before it gets lost in the shuffle.

Windrose · Aug 14, 2011

I want magus' knowledge in my head...

Juggleguy · Aug 15, 2011

Just recently learned how ****ing amazing WD OoS counter attack is. People abuse Falcon's poor jump OoS, and space around that imaginary bubble so Falcon barely can't touch them with an aerial OoS. Especially gay *** spacies with their nairs and bairs. Instead of feeding them free hits, just WD OoS into a running counter attack... nobody expects you to fly at them with a running nair when you were seemingly just stuck in your shield a second ago.

Aussierob123 · Aug 15, 2011

Juggleguy I been watchin your vids man. Improving heaps, keep it up.

I don't get what you mean by that though. If you're being spaced in your shield how do you WD OoS towards the opponent and run at them with a nair??

Windrose · Aug 16, 2011

probably not wd oos towards as that would result in you getting your *** hit.

Winston · Aug 16, 2011

if someone's spacing a bair on your shield, wd oos away from them and then hit them with something if they weren't expecting the wavedash.

Brookman · Aug 16, 2011

fsmash requires balls of steal. Trade that ****.

Brookman · Aug 16, 2011

but seriously, just space for knee 100% of the time and you're probably already winning.

Windrose · Aug 16, 2011

I thought we were giving real advice in this thread..lol

0Room · Aug 16, 2011

What makes you think we weren't?

Windrose · Aug 16, 2011

0Room said:
What makes you think we weren't?

Brookman said:
but seriously, just space for knee 100% of the time and you're probably already winning.

0Room · Aug 16, 2011

I mean it's true
If you're goofing off you're probably already winning

DuckPimp · Aug 16, 2011

it may be true but its not advice perse

0Room · Aug 16, 2011

I see your point.
What should we focus on right now, then?
Anything in particular we wanna talk about??

Tekk · Aug 16, 2011

How to edgeguard in falcon dittos ?
There is something I noticed from Hax during his matches vs Fuzzyness at G2: whenever he sent fuzzy offstage, he always grabbed the ledge right after, and waited for him to get back onstage, then punished him.

It seems a pretty easy and safe way to edgeguard falcon in dittos, but what do you think are the pros and cons of such a strategy ? Do you have your own tricks to edgeguard another falcon with ?

Walt · Aug 16, 2011

Edgeguarding falcon is stupid easy. utilt and knee is like, all you need. if they are recovering from far away either grab edge or flying knee their face. coming in low, utilt, knee, or grab edge. coming in high, just be calm, remember about how much falcon can air control, and just punish landing lag or uair him a bunch until he is forced to come in from one of the other two options.

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