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Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!

#HBC | Ryker

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He'd have to use them to find out. I didn't know until N2. Also, losing an active ability is a hell of a big deal and that's probably why you're limited to only two uses of it. Using it blind was hella dumb and secondly why would you use Hellcry Punch on Ryker!? Auto-potion is a passive ability, you would have had to use shellbust stab.
Hmm, didn't he target me night 2? After I had hard crumbed an unchallenged tracker role?
 

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Thief ability is passive isn't it? Hellcry punch wouldn't get rid of it.
 

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My ability protects a target from kills and roleblock/redirect abilities.

I used my main ability and a one-shot on the same Night on Night 1, Glyph. I did likewise on Night 2 with my other one-shot.

Something I never explained is why I was adamant that we could use Nich's Investigate. My thought was that I could protect him and guarantee he wouldn't be killed/roleblocked/redirected, and I also believed him because I had the same Investigate ability.

I think I know how Raziek got roleblocked.... I need to ask the mod something because I may have completely overlooked a stipulation.

The Day Jan came from Gheb, and the execution did not. I'm pretty sure the execution is indy, which means either Legolas did it or we're looking for another indy.

Ryker, he could have roleblocked the Oracle RB you got and then you "lost" that. We don't know which one of your RBs went through on who, but your Thief is passive isn't it? So it couldn't get affected, just the stuff you get from it.
 

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Ryker, how does insult work if it isn't targeted? How is it decided who gets insulted?
I assume that means that it isn't an ability that results in you visiting the player. It doesn't actually "target" them so much as it adds a rule to the game. Similar to the way execution that wasn't stopped by my jump, same as insult. I do not know if the Day Jan is a "target ability." I'll check later.
 

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Yeah, he did. I remember you practically claiming Tracker, too. I also remember not believing you had Auto Potion which is why I tried to protect you N1. With this in mind I DO NOT like that Glyph targeted you. Could you imagine if you were the tracker and he took your ability away "to test for auto potion"?

Glyph... your abilities are so bad.... :glare:
 

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I didn't get any say in them, I totally agree that they're massively anti-town especially with not being able to stop NKs.

But that's not going to stop me from using them when I see fit.
 

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The Day Jan came from Gheb, and the execution did not. I'm pretty sure the execution is indy, which means either Legolas did it or we're looking for another indy.
Gaffgarion actually poses as an executioner at one point in the story, so I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm not particularly worried about that. I think there's likely another indy in the game since we have so many defensive roles.

For the record, Glyph's character originally was a boss and besides that, there are multiple Divine Knights that you have to fight over the course of the game (Battles with Rofel and Vormav). The former is Vormav's right hand man, the latter turns into Gheb's character (spoilers).

Feeling like Glyph and Inferno net us our final scums, but I'm still not voting without reading the game.
 

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You saw fit to target the soft-claimed tracker with an ability that would both roleblock him AND take away his alleged track ability?
 

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Seriously can we just lynch me and be done with this mess, I'm sick of scratching my head.

Inferno or Kantrip is probably scum

@Kantrip, did you not read the part where my ability is worded in a manner that makes it seem like its all part of a roleblock? And that if he really DID have autopotion, then my ability wouldn't do anything?
 

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It would still role and voteblock me if I had had auto-potion.

If we lynch Glyph, I want Sang to vote after me so she can role block Inferno and I can jump. That way I also get to see what other abilities Glyph may have used.

@Glyph - Your AtE does not go unnoticed.
 

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did you not read the part where my ability is worded in a manner that makes it seem like its all part of a roleblock?
What do you mean by this?

Yeah I was just about to say what Ryker just ninja'd me with. Even if he DID have Auto Potion, he would still be roleblocked from his Track ability.

Basically with or without Auto Potion you knew you were preventing Ryker from using his investigative ability.
 

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Ryker, have you tried to Jump since Glyph targeted you?

If he's lying his ability might just flat-out take your Jump away, seeing as it's the only active ability you have.

Also, Sang is going to die toNight. Not sure of the NAR on this but I'm just reminding you.
 

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Inferno - Raziek, Rajam + Ryker, Kantrip, Gova (or Sangfroid if Gova can't hammer) imo

Let's just lynch
. Ryker, read in the Night. Inferno will flip scum and if we still haven't won we can use the Night Phase to fit the pieces
 

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Inferno - Raziek, Rajam + Ryker, Kantrip, Gova (or Sangfroid if Gova can't hammer) imo

Let's just lynch
. Ryker, read in the Night. Inferno will flip scum
and if we still haven't won we can use the Night Phase to fit the pieces
2 things:

First of all you've still yet to budge. OS told me that being unwilling to move your stance is very anti-town. It was one of the reasons that he found me as scum in MMX (we would've lynched the adum/gheb hydra for the same reason if they weren't mod confirmed town). The fact that you are still on the idea that I'm scum is ridiculous. When I flip town, people are gonna look at you.

Second is the bold. So according to you I will flip scum. So why lynch Ryker if I'm gonna flip scum (btw I haven't heard anything from you saying that he was scum)? The only reason to have him lynched before me in your mind is for your advantage. Have Ryker lynched, then myself, then there are less people for you to deal with. I should've done this a long time ago.

Vote: Rajam
 

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Kantrip, did you ever find out what you needed from OS?

Also, Ryker; I'm reminding you that you have work to do.
 

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We have three realistic lynch choices today: Inferno, Kantrip, Glyph.

Right now Glyph isn't really threatening at all.

Inferno is scummiest, but Kantrip worries me more.

In order for me:

Kantrip
Inferno
Glyph

What's the votecount at? *goes to look*
Raziek, why would you say this? It doesn't seem here like you forgot Glyph was voteblocked and roleblocked =/


Inferno, I'll address your post(s) tomorrow, because I also want to show that in the last days you have been only repeling attacks and not scumhunting. I don't even know where at you looking at, and now you react with an omgus vote on me. An insight on every player would be appreciated. Also, you're not flipping town lol. I'm mostly looking at you because I'm sure you'll flip scum, and here is a resume of all my reasons:

- You lied in the mass-claim. I still don't understand what was your goal with your gambit
- Didn't do anything N2 while you could've jumped without any problems... that's dubious
- D1+D2 poor scumhunting reflected in the fact that you barely used any quotes of other players
- D2's almost exclusive dedication to only answer stuff directly addressed at you (and D3+toDay it has been the same thing too)
- Perfect fit as RR+Gheb mafia partner assuming mafia is 3 guys (very likely in a 13-players setup)
- Gheb wishy-washing with you D2 when it was known you targeted him, and Gheb saying at first scum was between you and Gova, but never pushed it further
- RR's defense on you when I said I had the chance to kill you
- You saying at the end of D2 you would support RR dying when previously that Day you didn't even talk about RR not even once


Meanwhile, between Glyph and Raziek I'm still trying to figure out; I think Kantrip is town and between Glyph and Raz I'm mostly inclined to Glyph as scum (remember I'm assuming 1 mafia and 1 indy is left), but nonetheless, I'm still a lot more sure you're scum.

Also, after the emoticon there is a dot, so I didn't say "let's lynch Ryker"
 

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For the record, Gheb's approach to his death leaves me to believe there is for sure a second mafiat as opposed to two teams or some such bull****. He was trying so hard to set up a path for me to still get lynched after he was gone.

I'll be reading over that again on my second read through that won't be immediately following this one.
 

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COMPLETE ROLE CLAIM COMPENDIUM:

Ryker

#18 - Claimed Auto-Potion. Lie.

#796 - Crumbed Tracker with a track on Raz. This is not recanted until the second to last claim in the Day 3 mass claim. Lie.

#1399 - Outright claimed tracker with Auto-Potion. Lie.

#1797 - Full claim. No hold barred.

Glyph

#356 - Dayvig claim with ability named "Hellcry Punch." Lie.

#993 - Crumbs hard that he roleblocked Gova.

#1098 - Claims Hellcry Punch. Chooses one player to roleblock. Later he reveals that the ability is permanently removed, he simply says it is taken away for that night in this claim. Innocent townie mistake or scum not outing it. I suspect that latter.

#1671 - Glyph's number one position in the Day 3 mass claim. Claims Meliadoul, Divine Knight. Stone Libra. Abilities Hellcry Punch and Shellbust Stab. Claimed to have used Hellcry Punch both nights. Night 1 he targeted Gova. Night 2 he targeted Ryker. Also claims to be a miller. Does not elaborate on Hellcry Punch taking away the ability permanently.

Nich

#531 - Has already claimed Ramza. Clarifies his abilities. Time Mage + Unique One Shot "Investigation" and "Throw Stone" Two posts later claims his stone is Virgo.

#773 - Flip confirms his claim.

Gova

#591 - Implies Chemist or Thief. Actually implying Chemist as revealed later in the game.

#973 - Claims to be one of the two players aside from Raz who were targeting Gheb Night 1.

#1112 - Lego outs that Gova has the Chemist ability "Maintenance." It is quickly accepted as truth.

#1690 Claims generic unit. Chemist / White Mage. Protected Gheb N1. Failed to protect Ryker N2 probably due to Hellcry Punch ability breaking.

#2164 - Confirms that his ability is still missing.

Kantplay

#636 - Crumbs his delayed night kill which is eventually used on Sang.

#828 - Explains his ability that will later be named as Split Punch. It is a very delayed kill which he claimed to have targeted Rajam with. Sang later claims that she was hit with it instead.

#848 - Character claims Agrias at Ryker's behest.

#1096 - Sang comes out and says she was hit with Kantplay's Split Punch after dancing around it all day.

#1784 - Claims Agrias, Town Holy Knight. Stone Gemini. Abilities claimed are Split Punch which has been gone over and he claimed to have targeted Rajam with N1, but it apparently ended up on Sang. "Investigate" which is a one-shot cop with the same ability name as Nich's claimed one shot cop. Allegedly targeted Glyph with it N2. Result was innocent even though Glyph has claimed miller. Final ability is called Lionsguard Servitude. It protects the target from deaths and roleblocks/redirects. If you fail to visit the target, you will be notified that you take two less votes to lynch. Targeted Ryker with it N1 and failed. N2 he protected Raz.

Raziek

#803 - Claims watcher when pressed by Ryker's Tracker fake claim.

#806 - Claims that he did indeed have watch results.

#808 - Claims that there were two watch results. Note that they were never forced out, they were volunteered.

#813 - Claims to have watched Gheb.

#1352 - Hard crumbs tracking Glyph N1. Says he went nowhere.

#1867 - Claimed Mustadio, Town Machinist. Abilities Take Aim (Watch) and Track. N1 Watched Gheb. Tracked Kantrip. Kantrip was seen visiting Ryker, Seph (Sang), and Legolas. N2 Tracked Legolas. He visited Kantrip and Inferno. Watched Ryker. No playes visited.

#2157 - Claims to have watched me and tracked Glyph with no results. Roleblocked?

Gheb

#852 - Gheb claims to have an ability defined as "self-preservational."

#1652 - Flip confirms him scum. Stone Sagittarius. Flipped Hashmalum, Mafia Lucavi Demon Summoner / Lancer.

Suck it, nerd.

Inferno

#983 - Claims to have been one of the two players watched to Gheb N1. Claims to have hasted Gheb. This is after badgering people to make Raz spill his results for the majority of the phase. He's trying to push that the other player must be scum due to the execution.

#1684 - Claims generic unit. Time Mage / Priest. Claims to have Hasted Gheb N1 and protected Ryker N1 and Raziek N2. Priest ability is a lie and later recanted.

#1864 - Claims stone. Aquarius.

#1882 - Claims that he is does NOT have a Priest ability, but instead has a Lancer ability. Has not jumped all game.

Rajam

#1243 - Claims Mime. Claims to have mimed Gova N1 and targeted himself.

#1795 - Rajam claims generic unit Mime. Mimed Gova at himself N1. Mimed Gova at Gova N2.

#2160 - Claims to have mimed Kantrip at Raz.

Orbo

#1433 - First hint of Orbo's role. The following posts all dig at it until it culminates in a claim or Alma who can choose a player and die in their stead. He chose me and eventually died for me when I hammered Red Ruy to tie the Execution vote forcing Gheb and myself to be slated for death.

#1652 - Flip confirms him town. Stone Taurus. Flipped Alma, Town Cleric/Lancer.

Red Ruy

#1536 - Claims Ovelia. Stone Pisces. Claimed Geomancer "Pitfall" and Oracle "Silence." Claims to have targeted Kantrip, but that was an impossibility leading to his lynch. Lie.

He did actually have both of those abilities as they are what were inherited by myself and Sang (I got the roleblock and Sang got "Pitfall").

#1652 - Flip confirms him scum. Stone Pisces. Flipped Queklain, Mafia Lucavi Demon, Oracle / Geomancer.

Sang

#1747 - Claims generic townie. Stone Aries. Theif/Lancer same as Ryker. Did nothing night 1. Used "Pitfall" she picked up from RR lynch on N2.

Lego

#1753 - This one's a headache. I'll just leave the link because it's all kinds of ****ed up. He's Gaffgarion and he has no stone. Here is his initial claim.

#1958 - Claims alignment changing indy.

#2119 - Flip confirms very very little.
 

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Ryker's Guide to Ability Usage

Day 1

Early in Day 1, Ryker is given a posting restriction that carries throughout the game forcing him to post "lol" or "hahaha" whenever he votes a player.

Night 1

Legolas "Insults" Ryker
Ryker "Jumps"
Gova "Protects" Gheb
Inferno "Hastes" Gheb
Gheb uses "Day Jan." Target unknown
Red Ruy uses "Silence." Target unknown
Red Ruy activates "Pitfall"
Glyph "Hellcry Punches" Gova
Kantrip "Split Punches" Sang
Kantrip "Lionsguard Servitude" Ryker (failed to visit)
Raziek "Watches" Gheb
Raziek "Tracks" Kantrip
Rajam "Mimes" Gova to target himself

Something puts Gheb and Ryker up for Execution. This ability did not show to watch and was not blocked by jump.

Legolas is voteblocked due to using the "Night Sword" ability.

Legolas allegedly received a "hint" that Glyph is not trustworthy.

Day 2

Near the end of Day 2, Rajam allegedly received a PM from OS claiming he could choose to kill Inferno and it would not end that day. Note that Rajam is the only player actually pushing Inferno at this point and he never had a chance to pull the trigger. Sincerely doubt this message was anything more than scum misdirection. Whether it originated with Rajam has not yet been determined.

Orbo targets Ryker with "Wish" protecting him from the Execution.

Night 2

Ryker picks up Gheb's "Day Janitor" ability and Red Ruy's "Silence" ability.
Sang picks up Red Ruy's "Pitfall" ability.

Ryker uses the Oracle ability "Silence" he picked up from Red Ruy on both Glyph and Inferno
Sang activates "Pitfall" she picked up from Red Ruy
Glyph "Hellcry Punches" Ryker
Gova discovers he has lost the use of "Protect."
Kantrip "Lionsguard Servitude" Raz.
Kantrip "Investigate" Glyph
Rajam "Mimes" Gova at Gova.
Raziek "Watches" Ryker
Raziek "Tracks" Legolas
Legolas "Insults" Inferno

Inferno was voteblocked.

Day 3

Night 3

Ryker picks up "Insult" from Legolas
Sang picks up "Night Sword" from Legolas

Raz "Watches" Ryker - No result, possibly RBed?
Raz "Tracks" Glyph - No result, possibly RBed?
Rajam "Mimes" Kantrip at Raz.
Kantrip "Lionsguard Servitude" Raz

Glyph is mod confirmed roleblocked for not insulting Inferno the previous Day.

Day 4

Night 4

Sang supposedly dies from Split Punch
 

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BAM! Now I'm going to sleep.

DO NOT LYNCH PEOPLE UNTIL I'VE GONE THROUGH THE GAME AGAIN!

It all comes down to choosing who the one surefire townie is between Glyph, Inferno, Kantrip, and Rajam. It really isn't an easy question.

Safe money says we're actually lynching Glyph today, not Inferno. More on that after I sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
 

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Yay and verily was it made apparent that I am the only one who's willing to read this game to get to the bottom of it.
 

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vote: Inferno

May as well throw that down
 

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unvote

Where are we going here? Aside from the claim compilations and whatnot, you've yet to provide direction.
 

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No, you won't because your stop power won't PROVE anything. All it will do is roleblock a player and the fact that you're so set on it is simply making you look worse.
 

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That's great, dear. Assuming we lynch Glyph, here:

Ryker + Sang + Inferno all Jump (though Sang dies either way)
Rajam and myself protect each other
Raziek watches Gova and Tracks Inferno to ensure he jumped?
 
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