~Gardevoir~ Most Awesome Shield-Caster Ever. Or so.

[Stryks]

Fawriel:

Pikachu is in...

Sakurai wanted mewtwo since 64, that shows hes interested in the character, not only that hes considered the strongest pokemon of all, at least withing the pyschic ones, is considered somewhat a villain, or a type of boss, being the last unique pokemon that appears before you, once u got him, the rest are just basic ones, point is seeing how he was a dissapointment in melee, this is the chance sakuria has to make him into the unstoppable pokemon he is, and besides hes popular among classic pokemon players like myself...

Lucario is just freakin popular, hacing his own movie, and he aint even legendary from what I know, he has the fighter look, and would represent the 4th gen...

Deoxys hes like the most kick *** looking pkmn to ever live, but wait, hes also the most unique of the pokemon, being the only pokemon with more than 2 forms, having normal, attack, speed and defense, which can be easily be part of his animations or b moves, the speed being extremespeed attack, attack could be psychic, defense would be barrier and so on... point is hes unique and popular, and with the ability to transform his hands into vines can bring up a unique moveset...

 

[HiddenTiger]

Uck. What is it with Smashboards trying to squeeze the sex out of everything it can. It was bad enough when the Krystal topic was filled with pages of sex, but now Pokemon? Poke-f*ckin-mon?!?! Why did that have to be brought up? I didn't even know Pokemon porn existed, and now I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight. That's just disturbing.

No to Gardevoir, for sparking this discussion and scarring me for life.

And I just started playing Pokemon again, too... I need to go wash my DS. >_<

 

[DainBramaged]

Gardevoir is a major no for me. Nothing personal against it, but like many have already said, there are ALOT of other pokemon that are far more important.

 

[Brawlman]

Personnaly, I think Gardevoir is a great contender for Brawl (More than Farfech'd) Besides, If Pichu gets taken out (Which I wouldn't be suprised) That leaves at least one open space for Pokemon. And if there's gonna be 40+ characters, 5 or 6 pokemon won't be such a big deal. I mean, there's already 4 mario characters, and there's bound to be more, so why not Pokemon?

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

How is a psychic internet pornography star better than a duck wielding a leek?

 

[Brawlman]

Ignoring the porn part, Gardevoir is better in a lot of ways
-has better stats
-has more and better moves
-is used a lot more than Farfech'd
-is more popular

 

[Kunitsuna]

How is a psychic internet pornography star better than a duck wielding a leek?

Only sane person in thread.

I don´t see why everyone suddenly despises Gardevoir for her claim to fame. I think it´s wonderful and hilarious and it needs to be transferred into SSBB. The franchise needs more fine humor, like how Princess Peach is absurdly powerful.

 

[Fawriel]

Uck. What is it with Smashboards trying to squeeze the sex out of everything it can. It was bad enough when the Krystal topic was filled with pages of sex, but now Pokemon? Poke-f*ckin-mon?!?! Why did that have to be brought up? I didn't even know Pokemon porn existed, and now I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight. That's just disturbing.

Sorry about that, I guess. =/
I actually brought up that point in the main post in order to get it out of the way right in the beginning, because that's simply not what I want Garde to be recognized as. But apparently, some people here do spend enough time around certain parts of the internet to have that image of her fixed in their minds. T_T

...though, if really you thought Pokemon porn didn't exist, you must either be pretty naive or you haven't been online for long.

 

[HiddenTiger]

No joke man. Rule #35 withstanding, I honestly thought that there was no possible way that someone could derive a sexual fetish out of tiny little animals in a video game. Still.... ecch.

 

[Toilet Paper]

gardevior shouldn't be in Brawl. Mewtwo is enough Psychics.

 

[Yellow Mage]

As a Pokemaniac, I officially DISapprove this thread.

. . . Seriously guys, eww. Leave the gutters of the interwebs where they lie, untouched and hidden.

It's my favorite game of all time, for crying out loud, and even the thing on the first page was something I did NOT need to know about. (Especially the part about Lopunny, considering I don't have Diamond or Pearl yet; what kind of Pokemaniac does that make me, not even having either of those games yet?!?)

I thought the Krystal thread was bad . . . this thread is rapidly becoming far WORSE.

 

[Drascin]

Deoxys hes like the most kick *** looking pkmn to ever live, but wait, hes also the most unique of the pokemon, being the only pokemon with more than 2 forms, having normal, attack, speed and defense, which can be easily be part of his animations or b moves, the speed being extremespeed attack, attack could be psychic, defense would be barrier and so on... point is hes unique and popular, and with the ability to transform his hands into vines can bring up a unique moveset...

He's unique indeed, I'll give you that. Deoxys made right could have a moveset unparallelled. I still don't like him, but what's true is true: he is very unique. However, that popular part I hope was a typo - because Deoxys could be more accurately described as "unknown" than "popular". I consider myself more knowledgeable of the pokemon world than most, and I had to stretch my memory when I first heard Deoxys mentioned in this forum - hell, Deoxys's film wasn't even projected and few DVD were sold around here because the "bait" legendary (as Lugia, Mewtwo, Lucario, etc, were in their movies - that is, the legendary star of the film) was totally unknown to the kids who would usually pay for these things!

gardevior shouldn't be in Brawl. Mewtwo is enough Psychics.

Yeah, but there are a lot of people thinking that Mewtwo might not return. A lot of those people are pushing for Deoxys as its replacement. We here Garde fans tend to think that if someone should fill Mewtwo's psy niche, it should be Gardevoir, and not a ugly DNA aberration known by less than half of the pokemon fans .

Besides, Ness is a psychic too, and last time I looked, Mewtwo and Ness don't exactly clash .

EDIT:

As a Pokemaniac, I officially DISapprove this thread.

. . . Seriously guys, eww. Leave the gutters of the interwebs where they lie, untouched and hidden.

It's my favorite game of all time, for crying out loud, and even the thing on the first page was something I did NOT need to know about. (Especially the part about Lopunny, considering I don't have Diamond or Pearl yet; what kind of Pokemaniac does that make me, not even having either of those games yet?!?)

I thought the Krystal thread was bad . . . this thread is rapidly becoming far WORSE.

Do what I do. Ignore them. They will probably end up going away, I hope, and we can get back to discussing the possibilities of Gardevoir in brawl. The naysayers seem to be concentrating a lot of weight on the "ewww" front anyway, instead of actual complaints, which kinda undermines their arguments, because if you don't want a character in brawl because it has appeared in hentai, by Rule 34 we could have no one in the game.

I mean, you say you don't like her, fine. You say she is inappropiate, fine. You say she might be overdoing it on the psychic front, fine. We can discuss on that, which mainly what I thought these forums were here for. But, dissing someone because of that?! Er, no. Not on the internet, man.

 

[Black/Light]

^^^"(as Lugia, Mewtwo, Lucario, etc, were in their movies - that is, the legendary star of the film)"

Lucario's not legendary nor was he the star in that movie. (He co-stared with Mew. . . Mew being the actual star)

 

[cyberdemon]

Gardevoir isn't famous enough. In america at least.

 

[Micahc]

Play Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, if Wikipedia didn't lie to me, Gardevoir is a MAJOR character in that game.

 

[Fawriel]

Thanks, Drascin. I agree.
But I still apologize to Yellow Mage.
*sigh*

 

[Drascin]

^^^"(as Lugia, Mewtwo, Lucario, etc, were in their movies - that is, the legendary star of the film)"

Lucario's not legendary nor was he the star in that movie. (He co-stared with Mew. . . Mew being the actual star)

I know he's not legendary. I have like 3 Lucarios, actually, due to breeding to get a better one . But Lucario and the Unowns in Mystery of the Unowns where kind of the exception, most pokemon films seem to star a legendary (okay, two in Mewtwo vs Mew, but Mewtwo was a bit more important, if I remember correctly. This one I saw, at least. Actually, this and Lucario's were the ony ones I've seen. Both of them happened to have Mew, too. Coincidence? ). It would have been better if I had said Jirachi in the place of Lucario, but Jirachi suffers the same problem as Deoxys: lack of recognition.

And if in that last film Mew was supposed to be the main... he got kind of upstaged by Lucario there, at least IMO. I liked Mew there, of course (he has the right attitude an immortal being should have - "let's enjoy the hell out of this immortality!") but the actual star in there was Lucario, and kids will not get out of that movie wanting to get a Mew, but saying "I wanna get a Lucario!"

Gardevoir isn't famous enough. In america at least.

I believe I said something to this effect before in Blaziken's support thread, when they told me Garde had no chance due to unpopularity. Blaziken and Gardevoir's situations kind of mirror. In America, Blaze seems to be famous and liked, while in Japan he's one more of about 500 pokemon. Meanwhile, Gardevoir is absolutely idolized in Japan, while in America seems to be less known.

Still, Gardevoir has two things going for her: as Micahc said, Mystery Dungeon; and then, the fact that if you played R/S, you know Gardevoir, period, thanks to being Willy's main pokemon who you even help him catch. That's a bit of an edge.

 

[cyberdemon]

But then again, pokemon mystery dungeon isn't as popular as emerald/diamond/pearl

 

[Black/Light]

And if in that last film Mew was supposed to be the main... he got kind of upstaged by Lucario there, at least IMO. I liked Mew there, of course (he has the right attitude an immortal being should have - "let's enjoy the hell out of this immortality!") but the actual star in there was Lucario, and kids will not get out of that movie wanting to get a Mew, but saying "I wanna get a Lucario!"

I have to dissagree on Lucario being the star. Everything dealing with Lucario was in a supporting role on a sub plot level. This movie revoled around Mew basicaly well Lucario just helped and, at the end, saved Mew and the tree. (He co-stared)

Kids will run out saying "I want a Lucario!" because he is a 4th gen pokemon they never saw before (and unlike in the first movie Mew did nothing "cool looking" well Lucario spamed the P-Bomb). . . .and it's a DVD only movie.


"But then again, pokemon mystery dungeon isn't as popular as emerald/diamond/pearl"

. . . .It's popular enuff to get a new game (it's geting a new game. . .). Whats your point?

 

[Yellow Mage]

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon . . . was a great game, to say the least. At the VERY least, good enough to make a pair of sequel games.

And this thread is starting to go in a better direction. I like the positive direction it's going in. And I think Drascin really put the situation the best way possible by comparing Gardevoir to Blaziken.

I don't know where Lucario and Gallade come in, though: too many Fighting-types spoil the Pokemon roster.

 

[Smady]

I used Gardevoir in 'Ruby. What a fantastic design, and evolution chain, that Pokemon has... It'd be an interesting one to have... Then again, not popular worldwide. Sort of like Blaziken.

 

[ssbmaster2007]

Masahiro Sakurai really doesn't acknowledge a character's popularity in anywhere but Japan, thus resulting in Marth and Roy's inclusion to SSBM's character roster.

Gardevoir is apparently quite popular in Japan, which is pretty much the only thing that matters to sakurai, I say it has a lot better chance of getting in then most Pokémon, but there are 2 or 3 that are more likely to get in before her.

 

[Brawlman]

Hey, like I said before, Pichu's probably gonna go+40 or more characters=2 or 3 pokemon slots left for Brawl. And if Mewtwo goes, that's another one right there! I say Gardevoir has a great chance!

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

I would like to admit that I prefer Gardevoir by leaps and bounds over Blaziken.
Which isn't saying much, though.
The only thing worse than Blaziken getting into Brawl would be Hillary elected President.
*shot by Balziken luvrs*
But no matter what they do with Gardevoir, it still has the baggage of being an internet pornography star. And as a Pokefreak, I would appreciate it if you either referred to Gardevoir as an it, or he/she/it/potatoe. Because there ARE male Gardevoirs, as disturbing as the thought may be.

 

[Yellow Mage]

. . . I thought we were past the H-thing?

Moreover, I thought I had made it clear earlier that, yes, there are male Gardevoir (a Pokemon's species name is its own plural). In fact, the Japenese name for Gardevoir roughly translates to "Sir Knight," another reference to Gardevoir's chivalric ways. "Gardevoir" itself, from French, roughly means "Seeing Guard," referencing not only the chivalry, but the Psychic pre-emption Gardevoir can use, to the aid of itself and others.

Really, Gardevoir's a caring, Psychic Paladin. And those don't have to be nessecarily of either gender.

 

[freeman123]

Gardevoir sucks. And they already had psychic, I'd rather play as a water or fire pokemon for a change. Floatzel would be cool.

 

[Fawriel]

Oh no.
Wait.
Something tells me I don't even have to bother replying to the above post.


But yeah, you're correct, Yellow Mage, although I think it translates more into "devoir garder", which means "to have to guard"... although the "seeing" thing isn't a bad interpretation, either.

It doesn't really matter much what gender you assign to a Pokemon, though. Gardevoir *looks* female enough, it got a male counterpart, and chances are if it was in Brawl it'd act very feminine, so since we're dealing with individual Pokemon in Smash, you can pretty much guess their gender.
...of course, there's always the possibility of utilizing the actual cosmetic differences between Pokemon from D/P.
*checks*

...beats me. I see no difference.

 

[HellsAngelLust]

Gardevoiur dose not suck for one but i dont think she will have a chance do to her compition l(mew two deoxys lucario) i mean they are just to popular and FYI Gardevoir is popular in America

 

[Yellow Mage]

Another edit: Fawriel, can you give me two links to the sprites of a male Gardevoir and a female Gardevoir?

If you had to check, you have to know a website of some sort . . . unless you have both on your own copy of Diamond/Pearl.

 

[beta_prime]

We only need one psychic pokemon and as of right now that's Mewtwo. But if Mewtwo got cut I would definently want her instead of Deoxys. Lucario is still my #1 pokemon though.

 

[Fawriel]

..I was going to PM this, but I guess it's relevant enough to the topic:

http://serebii.net/pokedex-dp/282.shtml

This URL is in the main post as well, by the way. ...which reminds me that I need to update it.
Tomorrow.
Now I sleep.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Wow, completely ignoring my concerns.

At least we can agree that Gardevoir is far superior to Blaziken, right?
I wouldn't be angry if Gardevoir made it into Brawl, just worried about all the gross stuff that would pop up in that event. And I favor Deoxys, because it would probably be faster, and is more interesting with its four forms.

 

[Black/Light]

. . . .^^^Speak off yourself homs.

 

[Yellow Mage]

^^^

I think the difference is a minor one with the two semi-heart shapes. I think they are only slightly more prominent on the female.

But I think my eyes may just be sore from staring at the screen for so long, trying to find the difference, and flinching in case it was a shock site.

 

[Brawlman]

There's no dif. I checked the sprites, Exactly the same. But still, when I think of Gardevoir, I think of a girl. So I'll always refer to it as a girl.

And I'm still trying to get a "Gardevoir for Brawl" Banner, but I don't know anyone who's good at photoshop or the likes.

 

[freeman123]

There's way better Pokemon they could put in the Gardevoir. Why have another Psychic Pokemon when we could have something different? A water Pokemon would be awesome. No other character in Smash uses water attacks.

Even if they absolutely had to add another Psychic, there are better Psychics they could add. Deoxys, Alakazam, Mr. Mime... Even Ms. Cleo is a better Psychic then Gardevoir.

 

[Fawriel]

Maybe you'd like to explain to us what you define as "good" in a Pokemon.

@brawlman: Try Stryks, he's the local photoshoppy-siggy-guy. He'd need some good picture material of her, though...

@pineapple: I didn't ignore you. I think.

 

[FrozenRoy]

There's way better Pokemon they could put in the Gardevoir. Why have another Psychic Pokemon when we could have something different? A water Pokemon would be awesome. No other character in Smash uses water attacks.

Even if they absolutely had to add another Psychic, there are better Psychics they could add. Deoxys, Alakazam, Mr. Mime... Even Ms. Cleo is a better Psychic then Gardevoir.

I would like to respond to this post...

Deoxys: Possibility, in fact it's on my list. Unique moveset FTW.
Alakazam: Also possible, but unlikely. I can't think of much moveset that would be un Mewtwo/Deoxys-like.
Mr. Mime: Only moves would be slaps and Reflect/Light Screen that I can think of to define Him.
Ms. Cleo: Not a pokemon.

Yes, a water pokemon would be nice...but can you think of a functioning moveset? The only two I can think of that would have a functioning one are Floatzel and Poliwrath.

PS: I support Gardevoir. I'm thinking 5-6 Pokemon in brawl, actually(It is the second highest selling Nintendo game in history(Only under Mario)). My list is: Rukario, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Gardevoir, Deoxys and Mewtwo(though I think Gallade, Electvire and Blaziken could all work)

 

[Drascin]

I have to dissagree on Lucario being the star. Everything dealing with Lucario was in a supporting role on a sub plot level. This movie revoled around Mew basicaly well Lucario just helped and, at the end, saved Mew and the tree. (He co-stared)

Kids will run out saying "I want a Lucario!" because he is a 4th gen pokemon they never saw before (and unlike in the first movie Mew did nothing "cool looking" well Lucario spamed the P-Bomb). . . .and it's a DVD only movie.

Well, I'm no analyst, I just went by what I felt when I saw the movie and the reaction of my cousin, who I watched it with. Bascially, yes, Mew might have saved the thing, but I closed the media player with the absolute sensation that the movie revolved around Lucario for the most part, with Mew as an important secondary, Ash as a catalyst and the rest of the cast as pretty much extras (still, best character in there, Mime Jr by a longshot. Had me laughing half the time he was in the screen ).

And I didn't even remember it was a DVD only movie, to be honest. I downloaded it anyway, soo... ^^u

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I agree quite a bit with FrozenRoy. As I keep saying, I might dislike Deoxys with a passion and feel he doesn't deserve it, but he does have some chance due to the sheer freedom his transformative abilities can give the designers. And apart from him, Gardevoir is probably the psi-type with the best chances.

Yes, a water pokemon would be nice...but can you think of a functioning moveset? The only two I can think of that would have a functioning one are Floatzel and Poliwrath.

Do not even joke about that. If Floatzel is in there, I might have to go on a killing spree. I am beginning to develop a racial hatred for those **** things and their pre-evolutions. That and bidoofs. God****ed omnipresent useless buggers...

 

[NukeA6]

There's way better Pokemon they could put in the Gardevoir. Why have another Psychic Pokemon when we could have something different? A water Pokemon would be awesome. No other character in Smash uses water attacks.

Even if they absolutely had to add another Psychic, there are better Psychics they could add. Deoxys, Alakazam, Mr. Mime... Even Ms. Cleo is a better Psychic then Gardevoir.

You do realize she's also a grass type, right? Mr. mime sucks for Brawl.