~Gardevoir~ Most Awesome Shield-Caster Ever. Or so.

[Drascin]

You do realize she's also a grass type, right? Mr. mime sucks for Brawl.

Who, Garde? No, no she isn't. She's just psi. Her having green hair doesn't automagically mean she's grass-type, you know

 

[Fawriel]

She can use Magical Leaf. She must be grass-type! Like... hiddenly?

Anyway.
I've been wanting to update the main post, but couldn't get myself to do it yet.
Has anyone here played Pokemon Mystery Dungeon? Is there anything really interesting Gardevoir-related there? I've been particularly on the search for a "Gardevoir's Theme" or somehting like it, but couldn't find anything.

 

[Drascin]

She can use Magical Leaf. She must be grass-type! Like... hiddenly?

Anyway.
I've been wanting to update the main post, but couldn't get myself to do it yet.
Has anyone here played Pokemon Mystery Dungeon? Is there anything really interesting Gardevoir-related there? I've been particularly on the search for a "Gardevoir's Theme" or somehting like it, but couldn't find anything.

Not yet, but since mentions to it on this thread and Wiseguy's have sparked interest on me, give me about a week and I'll get the game and start playing through it. So if no one has played it yet, I'll try to inform myself .

 

[Fawriel]

I've actually heard it's supposed to be pretty boring... but if you do want to play it and report, that would be good.

 

[darkshy]

I could see it happening, but at he same time not really. Definatley a cool idea, but I don't think she'll be in there.

 

[freeman123]

FrozenRoy
Deoxys: Possibility, in fact it's on my list. Unique moveset FTW.
Alakazam: Also possible, but unlikely. I can't think of much moveset that would be un Mewtwo/Deoxys-like.
Mr. Mime: Only moves would be slaps and Reflect/Light Screen that I can think of to define Him.
Ms. Cleo: Not a pokemon.

I never said any of those should be in the game. I clearly said that we don't need any more Psychics. I just said that they're all better then Gardevoir.

FrozenRoy
Yes, a water pokemon would be nice...but can you think of a functioning moveset?

It doesn't matter if I can, the people making the game can.

FrozenRoy
The only two I can think of that would have a functioning one are Floatzel and Poliwrath.

Even if those were the only two, you only need one to have a playable water pokemon. But why wouldn't they be able to make a moveset for Wartortle? Or Squirtle? Or Totodile? Or Buizel, Blastoise, Piplup, Prinplup, Empoleon, Psyduck, Golduck, Poliwag, or Poliwhirl for that matter? I could keep naming more. What about Marril? You could only think of two?

Wartortle would be my first choice, but since I think they'll probably want to add new pokemon characters to represent the new pokemon games, Buizel or Floatzel would be good.

NukeA6
Mr. mime sucks for Brawl.

I didn't say he should be in Brawl, I said he's better then Gardevoir. If one of them had to be in, I'd rather have Mr. Mime.

Drascin
Who, Garde? No, no she isn't. She's just psi. Her having green hair doesn't automagically mean she's grass-type, you know

No, he meant Ms. Cleo. He's still wrong though. She's Psychic/Dragon.

 

[Fawriel]

Way to ignore me.
What do you base your judgment of who is "better" on? I can claim that blue is better than orange, but what good does that do?

 

[freeman123]

My opinion, dummy.

 

[Fawriel]

That's not what you said, then.
What you meant is "there are many Pokemon I would prefer".
I thought they taught you such things at school. *shakes head*

 

[freeman123]

No, what I meant is that there are many Pokemon that are better. Because I believe that that's true, and the fact that I believe it makes it my opinion.

 

[Black/Light]

No, what I meant is that there are many Pokemon that are better. Because I believe that that's true, and the fact that I believe it makes it my opinion.

. . . .Than put "IMO" after things like that. The way you stated it sounded as if you where stating it as fact. . .

 

[freeman123]

I don't have to put "IMO" after every opinion I give just to please people who aren't smart enough to tell what an opinion is. Not everybody who said Gardevoir should be in the game put "IMO", but I was still able to figure out it was an opinion because I use my brain.

 

[Fawriel]

Way to insult people who are obviously asking for some, what'sitcalledagain, manners?

If you have an opinion, give reasons. If you don't have reasons, it's unnecessary to reply.

 

[freeman123]

I gave reasons. I said we already have a Psychic Pokemon and there are Pokemon that would be better then Gardevoir. You're just mad that I have an opinion that's not your opinion.

 

[Fawriel]

Actually, I'm kind of arguing because I'm bored. Usually I just ignore people who don't give proper reasons. But I'm tired and cranky, so, like, go Jesus or so.
It's funny actually, you stated that there are better Pokemon than Gardevoir as a reason for your opinion that there are better Pokemon than Gardevoir. ^^

 

[Smady]

Odd how a male Gardevoir is still so feminine.

 

[DokturSea]

@ Smash Daddy: They added a new evolutionary form for Kirlia in Diamond/Pearl for males.

Anyways, Gardevoir seems like it would be a good choice, and I'm all for her inclusion. BUT, I don't see her chances as very big. Of course, she did make it onto the poll, but that doesn't mean she'll make it. But I would definately enjoy having her in the game if she was in it.

 

[PrinnyFlute]

Garde's mysterious like that, Smash. Also, worth noting...the like second time I've said it today. If you state your opinion by saying, "This sucks," that logically implies that your opinion is, "I think this sucks and your judgement sucks for liking it." If you state your opinion by...somehow saying specifically it's your opinion, then we just know you mean, "I just think it sucks, but I respect your reasons for thinking otherwise."

It's just kind of how grown-up conversation works. Haven't you ever practically had a meal ruined because someone doesn't know how to say "I really don't like this stuff, sorry," instead of "THIS IS NAAAASSTY GOD IT'S LIKE WORMS. wtf is just mi opinon"

 

[Smady]

Fair enough. I thought it was too weird for a male to look like that. I'll look into what it actually looks like later. Thanks for the information.

 

[PrinnyFlute]

Gallade:

http://serebii.net/pokedex-dp/475.shtml

But male Kirlia's can still become Gardevoirs. So the issue persists.

 

[Smady]

Can females become Gallade's too?

 

[PrinnyFlute]

Nope! Only the guys get to crossdress, I guess.

Edit: It's all because, between iterations, they don't exactly change any existing evolutions. So they wouldn't go back and say males HAVE to be Gallade's now. Instead they just say, "Look, there's a new shiny item in this new region that opens up a new evolution path." That one happens to be male only for Kirlia. (And Female only for Snorunt.)

 

[freeman123]

Fawriel
Actually, I'm kind of arguing because I'm bored.

Then get a life.

Fawriel
It's funny actually, you stated that there are better Pokemon than Gardevoir as a reason for your opinion that there are better Pokemon than Gardevoir. ^^

No, I stated that there are better Pokemon than Gardevoir as reason why Gardevoir shouldn't be in the game.

PrinnyFlute
If you state your opinion by saying, "This sucks," that logically implies that your opinion is, "I think this sucks and your judgement sucks for liking it."

Yeah, well that's pretty much what I was going for.

PrinnyFlute
If you state your opinion by...somehow saying specifically it's your opinion, then we just know you mean, "I just think it sucks, but I respect your reasons for thinking otherwise."

No, if you state your opinion by specifically saying "...but that's just my opinion" all the time then we know you mean "I disagree, but I'm a passivist with low self-esteem. Please like me."

It's not hard to tell what an opinion is. If I say "the sky is blue", that's a fact. If I say "the sky is pretty", that's an opinion. I don't have to say "the sky is pretty, in my opinion" any more then I'd have to say "the sky is blue, in fact." People know what opinions sound like, and when they hear one come out of YOUR mouth they'll know that it's YOUR opinion. They don't need you to point it out for them.

 

[PrinnyFlute]

Yeah, well that's pretty much what I was going for.

Dude, then you're acting like an *** by pretty much telling a room full of folks they're thinking completely wrong by liking a character.

No, if you state your opinion by specifically saying "...but that's just my opinion" all the time then we know you mean "I disagree, but I'm a passivist with low self-esteem. Please like me."

Sure. Hell, some people do that. But there's a pretty big difference between a jerk that's afraid to take responsibility for being one because, 'hey, everyone should be cool, they're just words and stuff,' and someone who always cowers out by saying everything's just their unimportant opinion. Matter of fact, there's a full, beautiful range of grey between that white and black. Like this:

If I come into a thread for a character I don't like, I say why I don't like 'em in a way that'll offend as few people as possible while still getting my point across,because I'm not some flaky jerk who just likes to say what they want without actually having to do any work on having some common sense in their own right. (It's easier to just slack, let yourself be a jerk and make other people handle the problem, right?) If I come into a thread and someone is an *** to me, I tell them to their face they need to learn to communicate or get off the forums, and that they're being an ***. Yeah, this is another instant where it's 'just opinion.' But in this case I think it's okay to shove that opinion down someone's throat, because, hey, when someone acts like a jerk, they need to get responded to in a way that lets them know that that is not acceptable.

And there's an example of having proper discretion between when it's alright to force an opinion, and when it isn't.

It's not hard to tell what an opinion is. If I say "the sky is blue", that's a fact. If I say "the sky is pretty", that's an opinion. I don't have to say "the sky is pretty, in my opinion" any more then I'd have to say "the sky is blue, in fact." People know what opinions sound like, and when they hear one come out of YOUR mouth they'll know that it's YOUR opinion. They don't need you to point it out for them.

But if your friend says, "I think it's kind of ugly 'cuz it's raining," and you say, "No, it's pretty, you're wrong," and not just, "I think it's pretty," you're telling him your opinion is the right one. You're telling him your opinion, relatively speaking, is fact, and I don't think it's far fetched to say your friend might get a little pissed about it. People aren't going to do all the work of learning to talk like a regular person for you by just going, "Meh, I'm sure he just means that's entirely his opinion and mine is fine," or, "Despite the fact that he indirectly just said I'm stupid, I don't mind!"
Nobody here ever thought what you said wasn't an opinion. I think we all know better. Pointing out how much of 'just an opinion' it is is a good thing to do to reinforce that you're not an overbearing jerk. No, we're not asking for confirmation that it's an opinion. We're asking for you to say it in a way that doesn't say "I'm right, you're wrong and stupid for being wrong."

Which is pretty much what you implied. That's...pretty much what you just confirmed you meant at the beginning of your post.

Maybe what people who act the way you've been acting think they're doing is being 'true to yourself,' or 'brave to be honest,' or 'edgy.' But they're not. They're too god**** blind to see where the lines are and to see they've crossed right over 'honest' or 'blunt' into 'pure jerk' territory. And there is a big difference. Maybe that's not you and what you're doing. Hey, maybe it is.

So, yeah, you came in here and insulted everyone by trying to shove your opinion down our throats and insinuating (and then saying) we have some broken judgement here. That's a real ***-like thing to do. But if you don't mind getting treated like an *** when you do things that ***** do, feel free to keep it up.

All we're sayin' with this 'opinion,' 'IMO,' stuff is that we're assuming you're not trying to be a jerk, and it was a misunderstanding, and it wouldn't happen if you said things a little different. But if that is your intention, by all means, keep it up. See where it gets you.


...Feels good to get that off the chest.

 

[Fawriel]

Basically:
1. If you act like an ***, deal with being treated like an ***.
2. Someone who doesn't share your opinion is not automatically a ******.
-> You're better off not treating people like ******* if you like having a full set off teeth.

Also: PrinnyFlute, you rock for being able to get your point across while remaining intelligent.

 

[freeman123]

Fawriel
1. If you act like an ***, deal with being treated like an ***.

You must be pretty used to being treated like one, then.

Fawriel
2. Someone who doesn't share your opinion is not automatically a ******.

Who did I call a ******? You're the one that's all mad about someone having a different opinion than you. I never said I have any problem with you liking Gardevoir. If you like Gardevoir, good for you. I said Gardevoir sucks, because as far as I'm concerned she does.

Fawriel
-> You're better off not treating people like ******* if you like having a full set off teeth.

So now you're going to beat me up?

PrinnyFlute
Dude, then you're acting like an *** by pretty much telling a room full of folks they're thinking completely wrong by liking a character.

Who did I say that to? Disagreeing with a bunch of people makes me a jerk? If I disagree with the majority, then that means that I think that they're wrong. So why can't I tell them that?

PrinnyFlute
If I come into a thread for a character I don't like, I say why I don't like 'em in a way that'll offend as few people as possible while still getting my point across

If anyone was offended by me saying a fictional character sucks, then that's their problem. They'll just have to deal with it. Life is a whole lot harder then that.

PrinnyFlute
I'm not some flaky jerk who just likes to say what they want without actually having to do any work on having some common sense in their own right.

Well, you could have fooled me.

PrinnyFlute
It's easier to just slack, let yourself be a jerk and make other people handle the problem, right

What's the problem? Gardevoir's crappyness?

PrinnyFlute
If I come into a thread and someone is an *** to me

Who was being rude to you? I said Gardevoir sucks, which she does, and you couldn't deal with the fact that I said something other than what you think. I'm not going to apologize or feel bad because you have a problem dealing with other people's opinions.

PrinnyFlute
I tell them to their face they need to learn to communicate or get off the forums

How do you tell them to their face over the internet? And who are you to tell anybody to get off the forums?

PrinnyFlute
Yeah, this is another instant where it's 'just opinion.' But in this case I think it's okay to shove that opinion down someone's throat, because

...because it's your opinion. And if you wanted anybody else's opinion you'd give it to them, right?

PrinnyFlute
But if your friend says, "I think it's kind of ugly 'cuz it's raining," and you say, "No, it's pretty, you're wrong," and not just, "I think it's pretty," you're telling him your opinion is the right one.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE MY OPINION IS THE RIGHT ONE!!! Of course I think it's right. That's what makes it my opinion.

What about all of the war protestors? Should they make signs that say "Bush is a Nazi! But that's just my opinion" so they don't offend people who disagree with them? Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

If Michael Moore can call his propoganda films documentaries, I can say my opinion is right. That's how America works.

PrinnyFlute
We're asking for you to say it in a way that doesn't say "I'm right, you're wrong and stupid for being wrong."

Which is pretty much what you implied. That's...pretty much what you just confirmed you meant at the beginning of your post.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was trying to say. I'm not saying I wasn't saying that, I'm saying that there's nothing wrong with me saying that. But for the record, I only called people stupid for getting mad at me for having an opinion, not for disagreeing with my opinion. I never insulted anybody for saying they liked Gardevoir. I called them stupid for getting mad at me for having a different opinion.

PrinnyFlute
Maybe what people who act the way you've been acting think they're doing is being 'true to yourself,' or 'brave to be honest,' or 'edgy.' But they're not. They're too god**** blind to see where the lines are and to see they've crossed right over 'honest' or 'blunt' into 'pure jerk' territory.

The only thing I thought I was doing was saying Gardevoir sucks. Which she does, by the way.

PrinnyFlute
So, yeah, you came in here and insulted everyone by trying to shove your opinion down our throats

No I didn't? All I did was give my opinion. How is that shoving it down anyone's throat. Shoving it down your throat would be if I said... well, pretty much everything you've said.

PrinnyFlute
and insinuating (and then saying) we have some broken judgement here.

How do you get all of this extra stuff out of "Gardevoir sucks"? If I had said "Gardevoir rules" would you think I was trying to insult everyone who didn't like Gardevoir and say that they had broken judgment?

 

[Fawriel]

Yadda yadda yadda.
I didn't get mad really, neither did I intend to act like a jerk.
I suppose I might have overreacted because I had a bad day, but eh. Whatever.

Point is, just learn to use some tact and you won't get into arguments like this. When I find someone supporting something I disagree with, unless I already know plenty about it ( like national socialism or something, but that's somewhat different from a character ), I'll say that I disagree. Then I'll try to understand why they like the character they're supporting and try to argue why I don't like the character and then listen to what the supporter has to say about it.
The problem with your opinion is that it really doesn't add anything. It started an argument, but one that's completely unrelated.
You just can't start a worthy discussion by saying "I dislike X because I think that X is bad".

It's a support thread, so if you support it, yay.
If you don't support it, good for you. Start a discussion.
If you don't feel like starting an actual discussion about the character or anything, why should we care about your opinion?

Sounds stupid, but that's just the way it is.
Sorry if I came across like an *** or something. *shrugs*


EDIT: I just realized what a horribly stupid argument this is.
There goes my dignity.
*sigh*

EDITEDIT: Just to clarify, I didn't imply a thread there. That "full set of teeth" statement was just supposed to be funny.

Hah, now I'm feeling guilty about acting like an *** to a person I perceived as an ***.
You turn into what you fear the most.
I think there is a lesson here for us all, kids!

 

[Fawriel]

I'm afraid of Gardevoir being turned into an Assist Trophy!



...oh, wait.


Anyway, bump!
I updated the main post with aerials, and also gave the Smashes snazzy names.

I really don't like how this thread suddenly died after being so successful. I hope that has nothing to do with my behavior in the past few posts.

Spoiler

Curse you, depression.

I don't suppose a mod could delete those or so?

 

[Drascin]

Yes Fawriel you so right i means Gardevoir wuld be assissst trphy ohnoes!!11

...er, wait.



Anyway, nice update. Things look more appealing with cool names, it's a scientific fact. Problem is we have little to discuss apart from the fact we want Gardevoir in Brawl and if she's gonna be a pokeball or not, since we don't seem to have too many naysayers around to force us to argue . And I'd prefer if this wasn't like the Ridley thread, which is page upon page of "Ridley for Brawl!" (sometimes formatted with a lot of creativity, I'll admit ) and little else.

 

[Zodiac]

I vote yes, I'd love to have her as a playable character, One of the things I enjoy most are learning new characters/

 

[Black/Light]

. . . .I don't see any pokemon being A-Ts when there are pokeballs.

All this really did was make EVERY fan of nintendo worry about their favs being A-Ted which is something us pokemon fans have been dealing with sense SSB came out.

 

[Fawriel]

Anyway, nice update. Things look more appealing with cool names, it's a scientific fact. Problem is we have little to discuss apart from the fact we want Gardevoir in Brawl and if she's gonna be a pokeball or not, since we don't seem to have too many naysayers around to force us to argue . And I'd prefer if this wasn't like the Ridley thread, which is page upon page of "Ridley for Brawl!" (sometimes formatted with a lot of creativity, I'll admit ) and little else.

Hmm, true.. I guess that's the only way for a thread to keep remaining on the first page.
I wish I could find that darn... hmm, wait..

Hah!

I got something better than Gardevoir's theme song.
Her theme song AND a video of it!

Warning, though: There's Mystery Dungeon spoilers ahead!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PvATQ7Hcmh4
*goes update the main post again*

. . . .I don't see any pokemon being A-Ts when there are pokeballs.

Yes, that was the joke.
But yeah... true about the rest.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

And while everyone else starts to fear for their favourite characters, pokemon supporters remain, well, unaffected

So Gardevoir has its own theme now. Very interesting, though I can't see how it could be converted into Brawl Music (though you could've said the same about the Ocarina music, so it's probably easily possible)

 

[darkshy]

Have to say this I saw on a chat that proves lopunny is more ofa *****:

<Allsop> Naughty Lopunny with Charm, Flash, Sweet Kiss, Lick

 

[Brawlman]

Off Topic:...Okay then...Although Lopunny can't learn Flash and Lick...But that is still a creepy move set.

Anyway!...Anyone hopeing they reveal a new Pokemon for Brawl in E3? Hopefully a certain Psychic type?

...I still can't find anyone that'll do a "Gardevoir for Brawl" banner...

ANYONE THAT'S GOOD AT MAKING BANNERS THAT'S READING THIS, PLEASE MAKE ONE FOR GARDEVOIR!!!

Thank you for your time.

 

[Gypsy Lee]

^^Ask for one in the Artwork Emporium. The sig shops there will make you one for free.

Anyways, can any of you guys say Pokeball? No offense, but I'd rather see Shuckel in Brawl.

 

[PrinnyFlute]

If you state your opinion by saying, "This sucks," that logically implies that your opinion is, "I think this sucks and your judgement sucks for liking it."

Yeah, well that's pretty much what I was going for.

...So you're telling us that you think our judgement is fractured but that's not any sort of insult, right? How does that -not- translate into telling people they're stupid? Nobody really cares about what you think about Gardevoir, or anything else for that matter, beyond simple conversation. The reason people reacted the way they did was because of what was above; you pretty much implied a bunch of folks here have flawed judgement, which translates loosely into calling people stupid.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE MY OPINION IS THE RIGHT ONE!!! Of course I think it's right. That's what makes it my opinion.

What about all of the war protestors? Should they make signs that say "Bush is a Nazi! But that's just my opinion" so they don't offend people who disagree with them? Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

o·pin·ion
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

Seriously, just...look it up. An opinion has nothing to do with how certain you are of it being fact. I think onions are pretty gross. That doesn't mean I actually believe that it's true that they're gross in a universal sense. It doesn't mean I think everybody should think what I do.

If you disagree with your friend over rain and you seriously think, "I'm the right one," and not, "Well ****, just maybe he has some reason, somewhere in his brain, for thinking differently, so I'm going to bet when it comes to something as unimportant as this, neither of us are right because it DOESN'T MATTER," then you really are just royal crowned King of the *****.

If you can't see the difference between war protests/"Bush is a Nazi," and freaking liking or not liking a pokemon when we're trying to have a civilized conversation...dude, seriously. Just give up. Go away.

I mean, I ****ing said like twenty times NOBODY'S TRYING TO TELL YOU TO SAY "IMO" "I THINK" ALL THE TIME. We're just trying to say, "HEY, IF YOU WANNA TALK WITH PEOPLE, YOU FREAKING NEED TO LEARN THAT SOMETIMES YOU NOTE IT'S YOUR OPINION AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T.

I have the authority to advise you to get off the forums on the grounds that I'm just a regular person who's sick and tired of people going, "Hey, I'll say things however the hell I want to and anybody who is offended, ha, they're just dumb!"

From American to American, since you brought it up: We're all about communication, democratic process and free speech. So far you're failing all three, and if you don't want to learn a little better, then STFU or GTFO.

PS: Most people nowadays pretty much know Michael Moore's a ****. So if you're trying to say, "If a **** can act like a **** then I can act like a ****," then way to be, man.

PPS: On second thought, forget it. I'm sure when you read any of this, you aren't hearing a normal person saying "LEARN TO HOLD A DECENT CONVERSATION," you're probably only imagining I'm some cracked out PC liberal hipster who wants you to put flowers and hearts at the end of every sentence, along with "IMO..., but that's just my opinion,' punctuating every breath.

 

[Brawlman]

Okay Freeman, Prinny...Enough with the flame war. Just drop it.

Freeman: Stop posting if ya don't like the character.
Prinny: If he posts again, ignore him.

Anyway, I put up a request in a banner shop. a good one at that...untill I realized that it was gonna be a simple banner about Gardevoir and not a "Gardevoir for Brawl" banner. And I think it's a bit too late to change it.

Oh well.

 

[RBinator]

Out of the current 493 Pokémon, Gardevoir seems to be the only one with such a degree of grace and beauty. I wonder how Gardevoir, along with some other Pokémon, are not only found in one gender due to how strongly their appearance looks like one. Reminds me of the male Gardevoir I have on Ruby, now if I could somehow get [a female] one in Diamond.

Just reading this topic gets me thinking that Gardevoir will show up in some form, if not playable (which I don't see being that likely), then in a Pokéball. I much rather not get into the debate argument about which Pokémon will get in the game, other then I think 3rd and 4th generation are most likely to get in as playable. Seeing how the Pokémon series is one of the most popular, I'm sure it's likely gonna have more characters from there then most others except Mario and Zelda, just like it was in Melee.

What's wrong with Gardevoir's type? Just because she happens to be the same type as Mewtwo doesn't mean she couldn't have different moves. If we had Pikachu and Pichu together in the same game, who have a lot more in common then just type, then they could easily have two playable Pokémon with the same type, but otherwise very different from each other.

 

[Brawlman]

WOOT!!!

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