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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Linguini
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Divinokage
Smash Legend
I don't know, I'm so uncomfortable to try it.. I don't really train vs Marth all that much so I have to stick with what I learned how to do. It's just the way Marth moves off-stage, I'm never ever sure when to use it so I would rather try an aerial which will possibly connect even with a sweetspot.
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Gotem City Vigilante
G$ was recovering really low, you know he needed his up-b to stand a chance at recovery, and he was far from close enough to up-b onto the stage. Stand and watch the situation and see when he uses his jump. If marth recovers that low, as soon as you know he is down to his last option (up-b grab the ledge), roll to the ledge and start holding Z and away from the stage during your roll. He be dead.
Now if only you could teach me how to mindgame like a pro lol
Now if only you could teach me how to mindgame like a pro lol
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
forgot to say good **** to kage!!!!!!!
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
Agreed, I liked this one too. Excellent spacing, and even more excellent move choice.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Ya know, I'm not surprised Kage/Axe dominated. They're both really good players of course. But, I've already seen how annoyingly good Fox/Ganon does in teams. How could anyone sleep on Pikachu/Ganon?!?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Alright, I'll try to use that in the future. The mindgames I guess to me is just covering your options. You know the term Option Select right? For example, vs Hax Game 3 on stadium.. you know when I did a Fair above him into upair, the fair is to cover the possible jump and then if that missed then upair will hit 100%. From there, since Falcon is gonna be way off-stage now.. well it's an easy edgeguard after that point. Every character has that, just like you know when let's say Falcon tries to air control and UP+B towards the ledge, Fox uses a backair to cover all the vertical zone where Falcon can possibly be, and then if that missed, he can downsmash since Falcon has no other choice but to go towards the ledge. An option select is forcing an option kinda.
Also, faking out your opponents or making him think you are going to do something is cool too. The way I bait out moves is just going into an uncomfortable zone where I can cover options but I end up doing something entirely different for a free hit. It's a bit hard to explain because I think it requires a lot of experience to do this.
Well thanks guys! Appreciate it a lot. =P I probably watched all the teams matches 3-4 times already by now. And omg.. I got so many double fairs lolll. On point Ganon is pretty damn beast I have to admit that. However, there's no way in hell I could of done all without Axe, he's too good. =P
Palpi
Smash Hero
Yo kage, when do you think you will be back for another tri-state tourney? I would love to play against your ganon more with fox...you pooped on me pretty hard.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
No clue, I guess it depends on how big a tournament may end up, like if there's a tourney with 30+ people then I might come.. though probably at least 1 more month before I come down again.
Fortress | Sveet
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Kage your ganondorf inspires me
that is all
that is all
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
Oh yeah, I linked this pages back Kage. this was what I was talking about on the stream. First line is amazing. "It is said that once an entire army marched against him... a real army."
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Gotem City Vigilante
Lol just main Ganon already, **** gay *** characters like marth and fox.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Fox is the most respectable of the top tier chars, falco being the least.
Manondorf
Smash Cadet
Haha, I thought that honor belonged to sheik. May not be as good as falco but she's gayuuuuuh.Fox is the most respectable of the top tier chars, falco being the least.
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I have respect for falco, though it might be IL's lack of dedicated falco players
Walt
Smash Ace
Nah falco is king homo. And Marth is the most respectable of the top tiers I think, requires really accurate timing with his moves and being the least stupid in movement.
Mr. Ganondorf still owes me like $12 for buying his dinner after GSG2.
Mr. Ganondorf still owes me like $12 for buying his dinner after GSG2.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Everyone has their own definition of gay. I think have an unbeatable approach and projectile is pretty gay. Honestly, I'm pretty good against falco, and I still think he is ubbbbber gay!
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I think puff is pretty respectable. Definitely the hardest to learn to be good at.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
The only thing that's left that I think is gay is FD. lol
Edit: I banned that stage through out the whole tourney rofl.
Edit: I banned that stage through out the whole tourney rofl.
Winston
Smash Master
Falco might be SLIGHTLY easier to be successful with, and Jiggs is harder; otherwise they're pretty much the same ><
DippnDots
Feral Youth
I can understand where falco hate comes from, but i personally just love playing against falcos and playing as falco. It's always a heated match, unless the falco sucks, then it's just funny what kind of stupid gimp combos you can pull.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Kage, you are smart to ban FD. It makes your character infinitely more 1 dimensional. Falcons should ban FD as well.
My falco isn't that bad, I just don't enjoy playing him.
My falco isn't that bad, I just don't enjoy playing him.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I disagree with that, you should just ban what you feel is wrong for you or what's better for your style. Falcon or Ganon on FD can be pretty devastating still. For me, FD sucks *** with any character.
Palpi
Smash Hero
I had a feeling that you vs M2k's marth would have been different on a stage like BF.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Maybe.. maybe not, I have no idea. lol.
Superspright
Smash Lord
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FD is the only stage I do bad on. My friend says it's a no bs stage. And he's right. My ganon moves like molasses on that stage. I need platforms for mobility and edge-cancels and stuff. Without that I am not so great. My movement gets super predictable.
Renth
Smash Hero
some brawl kid asked me today if linguini was a luigi player.............
lol
lol
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luigi + nin = linguini
whatever that means...
whatever that means...
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I do train on FD just as much as I train with other stages because it definitely allows me to see different options and it improves my ground game a lot better. Since there's no platforms then it's all about how good you are with spacing and movement choice. Without any platforms, you have to approach everything differently.. you can't focus on them for movement anymore. =P
And then once I have a good understanding then I can use platforms to bait stuff rather than focusing on platforms to move around and be too predictable with the movement. You know what I mean?
Superspright
Smash Lord
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That's a good idea. I know I'm too dependent on platforms. Combos on anything other than BF, or Yoshi's don't come about too often.
Walt
Smash Ace
I don't like FD as ganon or sheik just because it's sooo boring to play as them without platforms.
Palpi
Smash Hero
FD is my counterpick, but I play fox. Unless...I can get chaingrabbed, then **** that ****. Pokemon stadium/yoshis all the way. I agree, especially with my style platforms allow me to have a different way of mobility, with all characters.
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Gotem City Vigilante
FD isn't bad for Ganon.
sh ff perfect waveland and max length wavedashes will give you the speed you need to keep up. On FD you can techchase all ****ing day and you have plenty of room to space attacks. Step your defense and techchasing up enough and I promise you'll love FD as Ganon.
sh ff perfect waveland and max length wavedashes will give you the speed you need to keep up. On FD you can techchase all ****ing day and you have plenty of room to space attacks. Step your defense and techchasing up enough and I promise you'll love FD as Ganon.
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
yeah, sometimes platforms can be a blessing and a curse. i played dop for a long time yesterday, and i could tell that he was reading a lot of my platform choices. i never did quite take a match, though i came close a few times. the peach matchup is really even, but it's really hard to actually get under her for combos. i didn't ever really try to grab turnips, cause of his approach angle...i was pretty much afraid. his turnip to fair angle didn't feel like it left me the right kind of spacing to grab the turnip and get away with it...it's hard to explain. also, don't try to punish dsmash on platforms with a charged upsmash. something about the initial hitbox of the dsmash will suck you in, even if you don't jump. pissed me off. however, if you use the first hit of the usmash to clank the dsmash, the second one will it. trial and error hurts sometimes. if you read it though. you're probably better off just crouching and punishing with an aerial. but that thing lets her go in shield quick so...don't miss.
ok, now i'm just rambling about the peach matchup. but yeah, playing dop was really fun, but really hard. never underestimate the range of djc's. djcbair goes FAR.
ok, now i'm just rambling about the peach matchup. but yeah, playing dop was really fun, but really hard. never underestimate the range of djc's. djcbair goes FAR.
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Gotem City Vigilante
True that, djc bair is **** lol.
I love playing dop. He seems to win 3/4 of the matches I play with him, I'd have to be extremely on point to take a set. Peach is one of the chars I like fighting on fd for easier spacing.
I love playing dop. He seems to win 3/4 of the matches I play with him, I'd have to be extremely on point to take a set. Peach is one of the chars I like fighting on fd for easier spacing.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
Yo, magus... How bout that question about AC bair? I know you namesearched by now broseph
but seriously, if you do know the specifics about it's(AC bair pivot grab) legitimacy that would be cool man.
but seriously, if you do know the specifics about it's(AC bair pivot grab) legitimacy that would be cool man.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Magus we need to play moar!!!