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jiggs eh?
jiggs>fox in tournament
jiggs <fox on paper
jiggs eh?
jiggs>fox in tournament
jiggs <fox on paper
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Falco has quite a bunch of iffy matchups, even if they are too debatable to really be considered "bad." There are a bunch of them.jiggs has no bad matchups. neither does falco
More like a direct descendant of all 300IMHO, Kage was a member of the 300 in a past life.
Im pretty sure he still isIMHO, Kage was a member of the 300 in a past life.
this, a few other characters too, depending on your definition of badjiggs has no bad matchups. neither does falco
this is trueFalco has quite a bunch of iffy matchups, even if they are too debatable to really be considered "bad." There are a bunch of them.
Jiggs, Sheik, Marth, Peach, ICs
i said homosexual, not gay. homosexual is an objective term to mean sexual attraction between two members of the same gender.also, sveet it wasnt considered gay, by the people who did it, back then. its just how things were.
I don't see why you're whining. You haven't said anything about match-ups since late March, so you haven't even expressed an opinion for people to ignore.Clearly my opinion isn't respected in this thread... have fun forming a chart based on the opinions of the same small group of non professional players. It's sure to turn out accurate and unbiased.
Is jiggz falcon really that close? I thought it would be closer to jiggz>>falconI don't see why you're whining. You haven't said anything about match-ups since late March, so you haven't even expressed an opinion for people to ignore.
Anywho, Jigglypuff > Falcon, Jigglypuff >> DK? What do you guys think?
So does having your opinion make this chart accurate and created by a much more diverse and large group of professionals?Clearly my opinion isn't respected in this thread... have fun forming a chart based on the opinions of the same small group of non professional players. It's sure to turn out accurate and unbiased.
Please mana, continue to talk about matchups you know nothing about.Both are agreeable.
I'm also saying Jiggs > Doc. Anything suggesting they're even is pure theory.
...no... I just wish that infrequent contributors to this thread weren't disparaged or ignored, while statements like thisSo does having your opinion make this chart accurate and created by a much more diverse and large group of professionals?
are taken at face value without any proof, just because manalord posts a lot in this thread. It's a huge double standard. This is turning into a chart expressing the opinions of a few frequent posters who all only listen to each other, some of whom aren't even near pro level. I'm not saying Icy is doing a bad job, I'm just questioning the reliability of this chart due to the lack of community participation... and with this elitist sort of atmosphere, I don't think you're going to get much more participation.Both are agreeable.
I'm also saying Jiggs > Doc. Anything suggesting they're even is pure theory.
This is different than the other 3-4 top tiers... how?Falco has quite a bunch of iffy matchups, even if they are too debatable to really be considered "bad." There are a bunch of them.
Jiggs, Sheik, Marth, Peach, ICs
Who said I took that into heavy consideration?are taken at face value without any proof, just because manalord posts a lot in this thread.
It's not Doc > Jiggs. It's even or slight jiggs advantage. Mango hates it, Darc thinks its even, who knows about hbox. She can cut through pills relatively easy (who can't) and edgeguard him pretty freely (who can't, but in all fairness he can defend himself somewhat on recovery), but she has to approach him and as long as Doc plays the middle of the stage, pill camps and pokes it's really annoying for her.Who mains doc here? I've never really played as him before, but I've been seeing around in random threads that doc > jiggs. Is this true? If so, please explain the advantages he has. All I know is, if puff misses a rest she is dead, but if doc is off the stage he might as well just drop his controller.
You aren't listening to me here. I'm not basing this off of their personalities as people, I'm basing it off their skewed *** opinions of the game. Seriously, meet DJ irl and try to take some of the **** he says about matchups serioulsy.mango thinks marth is the best character in the game. he also apparently can't pass early high school math.
let's find other stuff about other people so we can disregard their opinions too, shall we?
like I said, last time I checked, mango thinks marth is the best character in the game.
if that's not skewed, I don't know what is.
Probably just fuxxin wit m2k. Cuz he kept losing.mango thinks marth is the best character in the game. he also apparently can't pass early high school math.
Just because TML said it doesnt mean that its true, or that ppl are considering it heavily....no... I just wish that infrequent contributors to this thread weren't disparaged or ignored, while statements like this
are taken at face value without any proof, just because manalord posts a lot in this thread. It's a huge double standard. This is turning into a chart expressing the opinions of a few frequent posters who all only listen to each other, some of whom aren't even near pro level. I'm not saying Icy is doing a bad job, I'm just questioning the reliability of this chart due to the lack of community participation... and with this elitist sort of atmosphere, I don't think you're going to get much more participation.
Well, I'm not sure how you got the impression that I was comparing Falco to other characters, but the point I was trying to make is that even tho you can technically say "falco has no bad matchups," I find that misleading when the character has so many questionable matchups that are just called even at the end of the day because there isn't agreement on them. And honestly, the ICs and jiggs beat Falco imo but I guess people aren't willing to go that far yet. For example, in my opinion, Sheik and Falco both lose to Jiggs and ICs by comparable margins. Yet Sheik struggles with Fox while ****** Marth and Falco goes even with Marth and debatably beats Fox. My point is that even tho sheik's matchups are more volatile they aren't necessarily worse overall (unless you really value moderate matchups in a character, which you might).This is different than the other 3-4 top tiers... how?
ya he plays no one good. no one he beat at herb 3 was goodI know both of them personally, they are good friends. They are both people who have very ... strange opinions on matchups (in particular DJ), and Dogy is just biased as **** and doesn't really play great people. I'm sure one of them will come in here and give me some bull****, but I just call it like I see it.
I was just pointing out the top jiggs opinions because you know, they are the best and all, they probably have good opinions on the matchup. Have Shroomed or waffles ever even talked about the jiggs matchup? No, and frankly I don't even know if they've even gotten a chance to play Hbox/Mango's jiggs or Darc. I only brought up dogy and dj because I know them and their opinions.