Druggedfox
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That's beautiful.
^ Hungrybox
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That's beautiful.
^ Hungrybox
If you are going to use the ask *insert pro name here* argument, than i suggest you ask mango, because he will tell you the matchup is in marth's favor.after watching jman vs. hungrybox from no johns, i'm thinking 55:45 for fox. jiggs' bair is so stupid it bothers me. i don't like it that my main can rely so heavily on that move.
jiggs definitely beats marth. ask hungrybox, he'll agree with me on that. i just can't decide if she beats sheik worse than marth or if it's equal. =/ hmm...probably a worse matchup for sheik. but not worse than 60:40. i guess that makes marth lose 55:45?
m2k also cps sheik with sheik in friendlies lol. he doesn't seem to like playing sword guy vs needle ninjaM2K beat every sheik in the country using marth. the only person to beat him was KDJ, and when he beat M2K's marth, he also beat his fox with sheik, so that's inconclusive. KDJ was also playing at the same level overall that M2K was at that point, so beating him sometimes does not mean it was matchup-based.
I don't remember Ken v KDJ involving fox, but I believe that. Other than that, though - which was, remember, nearing the end of Ken's dominance - Ken beat every sheik main with marth, too.
Cactuar is not close enough to the top to be involved in this discussion, really.
I could be wrong about this, didn't Ken go all marth for their 5 match set at MLG Vegas, which happened after OC2?Ken went Fox vs KDJ to beat him at OC2.
Cactuar talked a lot about picking up Fox because of KDJ and M2K being really gay with her and eventually switched.
Yeah but that's because at MLG Orlando Korean DJ beat Ken in Fox Dittos. And I don't mean to play devil's advocate here, but Korean DJ always lost to Azen's Marth.I could be wrong about this, didn't Ken go all marth for their 5 match set at MLG Vegas, which happened after OC2?
btw...
Why are we talking about Ken anywhere in this thread?
This isn't like..2006 or some **** guise. I'm pretty sure the metagame has evolved since making that conversation kinda pointless..
_________________________marth hasn't changed much, everyone else has tho.
So when I read those two posts while thinking the topic was on Ken and how he's not a really legit player to be compared with the metagame now in this day and age, what I thought you ment that the Marth players have changed their play style and changed.is that contrary to what I said? or did you do that thing where you read/watch half the video or post?
here we go againwtf why isn't Zelda > mew2
lets not get started on this again. I read all of your post and its obnoxiously clear you don't know ANYTHING about mewtwo and even less about the MU. its not like we are arguing mario has a slight adv on fox. numerically its a difference of like ten (5 each way) your two **** input could only be used to denounce a large adv in either direction. not saying you have to be anyone special to have a valid opinion but on what grounds should yours even be considered.Because people are dumb and fail to realize that Zelda has that match up covered ;o
you didn't tell me why i'm wrongstuff
Didn't he also lose that one?I could be wrong about this, didn't Ken go all marth for their 5 match set at MLG Vegas, which happened after OC2?
To be fair, Azen is just great at the match and a great player in general. Is as in presently, he still plays occasionally and I'm pretty sure I have a better set record vs him as Zelda than any Sheik does >_>And I don't mean to play devil's advocate here, but Korean DJ always lost to Azen's Marth.
lol omg that is amazing.That picture is outdated.
Crimson actually clearly told you why you were wrong, if you look at his post and then yours you will realize that his argument is much better.you didn't tell me why i'm wrong
marth's spacing is really good in the matchup, i definitely agree with that. but it's not better than jiggs' crouch, rest, and other little tricks. also he really doesn't outrange her that much due to jiggs' bair. he outranges all her other moves, but when it comes to bair vs. things they're pretty much on even ground.
but then, jiggs' fair is good too. it's kind of hard to explain why, but it's just good at intercepting marth's movement, especially the later weak part of it. and it often just interrupts his fsmash completely.
like, i could go on about what jiggs can do in the matchup, and when i get to the marth side of it it's like "spacing is good." it's just not enough. (to clarify, i think it's either 55:45 or 60:40 in jiggs' favour, leaning toward the 55:45 side, so i don't think it's a super death matchup or anything)
i'm getting tired of hearing myself talk. hopefully one of the better jiggs mains will get in here soon