New Smash Bros for WiiU

[xXIke-SamaXx]

You honestly don't expect me to believe this, do you?

I bet you understood that the wrong way....I didn't say a SSBB programmer but someone who is good with data and he told me that he dug the data and saw that clones take lesser space than the original character....well I don't know if he was telling the truth or not...take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Aurane]

Lottery. It was called Lottery.

Thank you.

Anyways, to Sonic, Generations is definatly his best game to today's standards. Colors was a bit overhyped. I personally didn't like some of the wisp effects. Spikes being the worst on my list. But to those who did like Colors, it was seen in Sonic Gens. I mean, don't get me wrong, I loved colors, but the wisps pissed me off a little bit. They brought Colors into Gens., But what irritated me? They brought Rocket and Spikes as the wisp boosts. Are you kidding me?

@Metal Sonic Heroes as Sonic Adventure 3? LOL no.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Sonic Heroes is already basically SA3, anyway

And this ain't 2010, anymore, Ike Sama. Sonic's gotten WAY back on track since then

Well I bought Generation recently, the controls were freaking slow, although I sure like the nostalgia factor still the game didn't fare well gameplay wise...

 

[Metal Overlord]

So you meant a hacker then, Ike Sama

@asage- Derp. I meant Unleashed. Let me go edit that in lol

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

So you meant a hacker then, Ike Sama

@asage- Derp. I meant Unleashed. Let me go edit that in lol

yes I meant a hacker xD....
since SA2

only few requirement for SA are met,
good story =debate able but to me it wasn't met, good gameplay= none, variety of character= met, and Finally a CHAO GARDEN....= never met....

 

[Metal Overlord]

Ike Sama, we're gonna just have to agree to disagree, because the controls for me couldn't have been better. I do agree that the 3D gameplay in either that game or Colors wasn't as good as the Adventure games, though, and I don't think the 2D sections in the 3D levels were necessary considering we already had Classic Sonic for the 2D gameplay in Generations. But they were still enjoyable, IMO, and I really loved Classic Sonic's gameplay

I want the Chao Garden back, too, but there's nothing saying that they might not bring it back in a future 3D Sonic game

 

[vicgur]

I personally liked Coin launcher better than how you got trophys back in Melee. What was the thing called?

I always feel like I'm the only one who doesn't like that mode.
I mean, I know Lottery had no thrill at all, but at least it wasn't terribly calibrated like Coin Launcher.
It was terrible playing that [mini]game. The controls felt awkward as hell. Not to mention it's more repetitive than Space Invaders.

I don't mind if it comes back in Sm4sh, as long as they make some adjustments, so it lowers my desire to kill someone while I'm playing it.

PS: Getting Idols in Kid Icarus works a little bit like Lottery... Just sayin'.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

How about something else entirely? You bet coins on hands of poker at a Smash Bros. Casino to win trophies.

Oh, and Sandbag's the dealer.

 

[Arcadenik]

Yeah, getting the Idols in Uprising felt like the Melee Lottery. I wonder if the Trophy Stands might work like the eggs in Uprising... Different colors of Trophy Stands, you know?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Breadbug, this is why I love you haha

That's the best idea I've seen in this thread in a while

 

[Deleted member]

I think the Brawl poll was to help reassure Sakurai that his Brawl roster was decent. Maybe the Brawl roster was like this:

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Donkey Kong
6. Diddy Kong
7. Yoshi
8. Wario
9. Link
10. Zelda / Sheik
11. Ganondorf
12. Toon Link
13. Samus / Zero Suit Samus
14. Pit
15. Ice Climbers
16. R.O.B.
17. Kirby
18. Meta Knight
19. King Dedede
20. Olimar
21. Fox
22. Falco
23. Wolf
24. Captain Falcon
25. Pikachu
26. Pokemon Trainer
27. Lucario
28. Plusle & Minun
29. Ike
30. Lucas
31. Snake
32. Random

After checking the Brawl poll, he liked the idea of a Diddy & Dixie team so he tried to add Dixie to Diddy. He also wanted to make the roster bigger so he added back the characters he cut and cut Wolf and Plusle & Minun.

CUT
- Wolf
- Plusle & Minun

ADD BACK
- Dr. Mario
- Jigglypuff
- Mewtwo
- Marth
- Roy
- Ness
- Mr. Game & Watch

ADD
- Dixie Kong
- Toon Zelda / Toon Sheik

Finally, the Sonic-less Brawl roster would have looked like this.

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Dr. Mario
6. Donkey Kong
7. Diddy Kong / Dixie Kong
8. Yoshi
9. Wario
10. Link
11. Zelda / Sheik
12. Ganondorf
13. Toon Link
14. Toon Zelda / Toon Sheik
15. Samus / Zero Suit Samus
16. Pit
17. Ice Climbers
18. R.O.B.
19. Kirby
20. Meta Knight
21. King Dedede
22. Olimar
23. Fox
24. Falco
25. Captain Falcon
26. Pikachu
27. Pokemon Trainer
28. Lucario
29. Jigglypuff
30. Mewtwo
31. Marth
32. Roy
33. Ike
34. Ness
35. Lucas
36. Mr. Game & Watch
37. Snake
38. Random

While Sakurai was still working on Dr. Mario, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda / Toon Sheik, Mewtwo, and Roy... Nintendo and Sega agreed to have Sonic in Brawl so Sakurai stopped working on those characters and just added Sonic and then added back Wolf to bump the roster.

CUT
- Dr. Mario
- Dixie Kong
- Toon Zelda / Toon Sheik
- Mewtwo
- Roy

ADD
- Sonic

ADD BACK
- Wolf

And that's how we got the final roster we have in Brawl.

Sakurai had stated that there was a reason Dixie was cut from Diddy; he couldn't get the tag-team system to work for them. It had nothing to do with Sonic.

 

[Aurane]

@asage- Derp. I meant Unleashed. Let me go edit that in lol

Wait... Did you just call Unleashed a SA3? UNLEASHED? Get outta here.

 

[vicgur]

How about something else entirely? You bet coins on hands of poker at a Smash Bros. Casino to win trophies.

Oh, and Sandbag's the dealer.

Sounds great! Hahaha
But I suck at Poker, so Black Jack would be better.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait... Did you just call Unleashed a SA3? UNLEASHED? Get outta here.

It's called Sonic World Adventure in Japan.
And it was originally intended to be a third installment to the Adventure games.

 

[SmashChu]

Someone who is a programmer, told me that clones are not made because they were lazy (it might still be the reason ) but it's because they didn't have enough memory for more characters....so they had to clone some and make adjustments a little bit on their movement to look less cloney and slap the skin of the other character over....but still I'm against the idea of clones.

The reason they added the clones was because someone one the team pointed out that 20 characters was to few. So they made 6 new ones which were the clones.

 

[Lukingordex]

You'll never hear me protect Jiggz like this again, but she definatly deserves to be a tiny bit higher via tiers.

I think Jiggly is the best bottom of Smash Bros. Brawl .o.

 

[Baskerville]

She deserves to be at the very BOTTOM!

 

[Lukingordex]

She deserves to be at the very BOTTOM!

Nooooooooooo

 

[vicgur]

All characters should be extremely buffed, so everyone is in God Tier.

And when everyone's God Tier...
[COLLAPSE="NO ONE WILL BE."]

[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Shorts]

The fact that you made that reference, caused me to die a little on the inside.

 

[vicgur]

I just couldn't waste the chance to make a reference like this.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Haha I love that, nice one vicgur. XD I lived a little inside because of that.

 

[Baskerville]

They should just nerf MK's attack speed and overall priority.

 

[Lukingordex]

All characters should be extremely buffed, so everyone is in God Tier.

And when everyone's God Tier...
[COLLAPSE="NO ONE WILL BE."]

[/COLLAPSE]

 

[lordvaati]

They should just nerf MK's attack speed and overall priority.

and remove at least one of his recoveries. he doesn't need THAT many.

 

[Lukingordex]

and remove at least one of his recoveries. he doesn't need THAT many.

Also,buff jigglypuff,please.

 

[vicgur]

REMINDER: In exactly 5 hours Nintendo is having another Direct Feed.

I probably won't be home, so I won't be able to remind you again when it starts. So be sure not to miss it.

Oh, there are rumors about a Kirby announcement...

And once again, Sakurai tweeted about it, so it might have something interesting to look forward to.

Thank you for your attention.

 

[Wizzrobe]

They should just nerf MK's attack speed and overall priority.

Or they should just try to make all the characters balanced.

REMINDER: In exactly 5 hours Nintendo is having another Direct Feed.

I probably won't be home, so I won't be able to remind you again when it starts. So be sure not to miss it.

Oh, there are rumors about a Kirby announcement...

And once again, Sakurai tweeted about it, so it might have something interesting to look forward to.

Thank you for your attention.

Yes, I hope there really is a Kirby announcement!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Or they should just try to make all the characters balanced.

Agreed. Sakurai is looking towards balancing SSB4 this time. I'd like it if he balanced it based upon no items and Battlefield, mind you. It'll be fun regardless of items, so why balance it based upon one specific style?

 

[Starphoenix]

Yes, I hope there really is a Kirby announcement!

Kirby Wii U is all I want to hear.

 

[Big-Cat]

Agreed. Sakurai is looking towards balancing SSB4 this time. I'd like it if he balanced it based upon no items and Battlefield, mind you. It'll be fun regardless of items, so why balance it based upon one specific style?

This. Balancing needs to have as little random factors as possible to achieve consistent results. Battlefield is probably the best choice as it has all the fundamental pieces of any Smash stage.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Yawwn... anything announced on Nintendo Direct?

Just tried Project M Demo 2 today... Quite nice emulation of Melee if I can say.
Bowser's damn badass.

 

[lordvaati]

Agreed. Sakurai is looking towards balancing SSB4 this time. I'd like it if he balanced it based upon no items and Battlefield, mind you. It'll be fun regardless of items, so why balance it based upon one specific style?

or he'd do like he did with Uprising and balance it around items.

also another thing is with all the previous game they were all balanced around 4player free for alls, so maybe singles balance would be nice?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Or he'd do like he did with Uprising and balance it around items.

The people he's looking towards for tips to balance the game will ignore the items anyway. Since, you know, they're a terrible way to balance.

Also another thing is with all the previous game they were all balanced around 4player free for alls, so maybe singles balance would be nice?

Because he dd the balancing himself, not professionals who concentrate on player vs player. It's based upon his logic and all. Not to say that they aren't fun that way, of course.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

I'm trying to sit here and think of how a gravity trick would work on a Galaxy stage, and I honestly don't think it's too far fetched an idea. I mean, not sure how likely Sakurai is to implement it, but I think it would be nice considering the role that the mechanic has in those games.

Just saying that there's certainly a way to make it work, and have it be really fun.

 

[Conviction]

Probably wouldn't be too hard to do a 1v1 balance. I can't see how they would break free for alls when those aren't exactly balanced at all LOL

 

[lordvaati]

I'm trying to sit here and think of how a gravity trick would work on a Galaxy stage, and I honestly don't think it's too far fetched an idea. I mean, not sure how likely Sakurai is to implement it, but I think it would be nice considering the role that the mechanic has in those games.

Just saying that there's certainly a way to make it work, and have it be really fun.

wasn't there gravity effects on Spear pillar?

also, the inertia on Summit affected falling speed too iirc.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Probably wouldn't be too hard to do a 1v1 balance. I can't see how they would break free for alls when those aren't exactly balanced at all LOL

Well, it's hard to balance a free-for-all anyway.

1 VS 1 is really the only realistic way to balance a fighter, heh.

 

[Berserker.]

You'll never hear me protect Jiggz like this again, but she definatly deserves to be a tiny bit higher via tiers.

I agree with ya. Jigglypuff should be a little higher.

If only she wasn't so damn easy to kill. I think her real weakness is that there are many other characters have the same playstyle as her only easier and better. It sucks, really.

I'm trying to sit here and think of how a gravity trick would work on a Galaxy stage, and I honestly don't think it's too far fetched an idea. I mean, not sure how likely Sakurai is to implement it, but I think it would be nice considering the role that the mechanic has in those games.

Just saying that there's certainly a way to make it work, and have it be really fun.

Take Rightside down Galaxy from SMG 2 for an example except without those arrows. I don't think a galaxy stage should be all about gravity though.

It should have 3 or 4 different galaxies. Probably Good Egg, Cloud court, Star ship/Observatory, other galaxies. Each galaxy has a stage hazard or something unique. Something faithful to the Galaxy series.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Yeah, I'm absolutely thinking a Galaxy Tours stage is necessary. I really would like to see Beach Bowl in there somewhere. Ooooh ooh, or Sea Slide. I'm a sucker for the tropical-themed ones.

I also wondered, should one song play the whole time, or should the song change depending on the galaxy? I think the stage could have two music modes: one that changes songs to match the galaxy, another that plays the same song throughout.