Official BBR Matchup Chart v1.0

[Vinnie]

*sees losing to *
*sees being even with *
*sees being +2 with who he is even with*
*closes window*

 

[Hylian]

*sees people thinking their opinions are facts*

*closes window*


Seriously? Whats so bad about any of that? I agree with tl/falco and don't know about shiek because I don't have experience in that match-up. GW also seems very very even.

 

[Poltergust]

Yoshi:ICs are at least even.

And yet he complained that his belly was not full.

I was really adamant on making that ICs a +1 match-up, so I'm glad that they are. ^_^

 

[Vinnie]

: is very even. But the BBR decided that the matchup's even because nobody knows what they're talking about when it comes to odd matchups like that.

: is -2 on neutrals and even on CPs. Why in the world is that considered even?

When you factor in counterpicks, : is extremely even...

 

[_Yes!_]

From my characters' perspective, this is pretty terrible.

 

[Matador]

A step in the right direction for BBR, IMO.

More accuracy than inaccuracy from what I can tell.

Just wondering when PT became as hard as MK for Mario. That, and Lucas being even with Mario both are the biggest issues I see (Mario loses to Lucas by at least -1).

Oh yeah, and MK is at least as hard as -3 for Mario. The general consensus is that it's our most difficult match-up. I think that's prolly the bulk of the issues with Mario's match-ups.

 

[Spelt]

I approve for the most part.
It's a good first try.

 

[_Yes!_]

Wolf vs Yoshi is at least 8:2 wolf. btw.

 

[DMG]

Shiek I agree with. After playing Light and watching him play Zac, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 55:45 either characters favor.

G^W vs TL... dunno. Probably a tad in TL favor.

GW vs Falco I think Falco wins.

That's just my thoughts on that

 

[Vinnie]

OMFG AT PEACH DEDEDE BEING EVEN LMFAOOo!!!!

 

[Sunnysunny]

Wolf vs Yoshi is at least 8:2 wolf. btw.

I concur.
/10agreements.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Still a little upset about MK/Peach being only +2

 

[Poltergust]

I can't tell if you guys are joking or not. ._.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Polt, why is there no -5 ranking for the Yoshi v Lucario ranking? :<

 

[san.]

Why is Yoshi good vs ICs? Is it hard for ICs to grab/CG Yoshi?

 

[_Yes!_]

I can't tell if you guys are joking or not. ._.

I'm being pretty serious.

Wolf vs Yoshi is pretty much vs

 

[Steam]

Still a little upset about MK/Peach being only +2

OMFG AT PEACH DEDEDE BEING EVEN LMFAOOo!!!!

but peach haz to have gud matchups so she can be high turr.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Why is Yoshi good vs ICs? Is it hard for ICs to grab/CG Yoshi?

Air mobility, eggs, and egg lay.
Especially egg lay! Its godlike for separating the too.
I think its even but its hard to tell with a character that can 0 death people. .___.

 

[san.]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the air mobility. That makes sense, thanks.

 

[fkacyan]

>Read ZSS's MUs
>Laugh
>Click last page
>See reactions to other characters' MU listings

Oh man, BBR, rich as usual.

 

[MechaWave]

That's it. On the 6th tier list Peach should definitely go up. Seriously... -2 against Wario and she's at #19?! Gimme a break.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Overall, I'm pretty happy with Peach's results. Hopefully the recent Peach hate will stop now lol
Or maybe it'll be even worse xD


I personally would move a few characters round by a point. For me, it'd be putting DeDeDe as a -1, swapping Wario (+2) with Luigi (+1) and stick Zelda in +3 (especially if Link is in there)
I'd also be inclined to swap Samus (0) with Ike or more likely PT (+1) and probably stick Wolf in -1

All of these a really minor issues though. I must admit - I was pretty shocked to see that MK and to a certain extent Snake weren't put down as -3 for Peach...not that I have a problem with that

 

[Orion*]

Orion?
He's a MK main isn't he?

Why Orion ?

I second ICs

and there arent many competent IC players tbh lol

 

[Steam]

whoa wait a minute.

DK/MK is only a -2?

Looking at all these characters that are apparently -2 against MK... Lucario should definitely only be -1 against MK if this is the case.... lol

though I think most of these -2s are really -3s :/

 

[Poltergust]

Why is Yoshi good vs ICs? Is it hard for ICs to grab/CG Yoshi?

Yoshi is fantastic at separating, killing, and gimping the Ice Climbers. He has great spacing tools against them, doesn't really get camped that much, and is good at running away from them, too. He also has Egg Lay, which is his #1 important tool in this match-up (this is probably the match-up where Egg Lay is most vital).

I'm being pretty serious.

Wolf vs Yoshi is pretty much vs

It's a bad match-up, but Wolf doesn't **** Yoshi as much as you would think. He's not Lucario, you know.

Anyways, Wolf has a lot of things going for him in this match-up. He has great aerial mobility, a fantastic b-air, a good reflector, and nice shield pressure. He also doesn't get chain-grabbed, either. Despite all of this, though, he's not the best at dealing with Yoshi's own pressure and tends to take on a lot of damage at a time. He also has a bad recovery that Yoshi can take advantage of.

It was actually argued that Wolf as only a 0 or -1 match-up for Yoshi, but I managed to get everyone to agree to a -2.

 

[_Yes!_]

Yoshi is fantastic at separating, killing, and gimping the Ice Climbers. He has great spacing tools against them, doesn't really get camped that much, and is good at running away from them, too. He also has Egg Lay, which is his #1 important tool in this match-up (this is probably the match-up where Egg Lay is most vital).



It's a bad match-up, but Wolf doesn't **** Yoshi as much as you would think. He's not Lucario, you know.

Anyways, Wolf has a lot of things going for him in this match-up. He has great aerial mobility, a fantastic b-air, a good reflector, and nice shield pressure. He also doesn't get chain-grabbed, either. Despite all of this, though, he's not the best at dealing with Yoshi's own pressure and tends to take on a lot of damage at a time. He also has a bad recovery that Yoshi can take advantage of.

It was actually argued that Wolf as only a 0 or -1 match-up for Yoshi, but I managed to get everyone to agree to a -2.

8:2 bro. Flowchart wolf keeps yoshi out. I literally use 4 moves to beat any Yoshi I've played, including Deltagod and Pride back in the day.

 

[Vinnie]

-1:
0:
1:

wat

 

[MechaWave]

Overall, I'm pretty happy with Peach's results. Hopefully the recent Peach hate will stop now lol

ikr? So much hate yet Peach has been getting loads more of attention and better matchups...

But she'll most likely move up for the next tier list for once.

 

[Deleted member]

Why is Wolf listed as -1 against R.O.B.?

 

[Eddie G]

Why is Peach vs Samus in Peach's favor?

No Peach back there has sufficient Samus matchup experience.

Wrong amigo.

Samus was one of the first matchups I've ever learned inside and out. I just don't encounter them as often as you still do nowadays.

 

[Chuee]

-1:
0:
1:

wat

Most of sheida's MUs didn't make sense to me either :/

 

[san.]

Thanks Polt + Yoshis for your quick responses to my ICs question.


IMHO

For Ike I think vs Falco is -1

Ike vs Pika, ICs, Samus, Wario, ROB, wolf, sheik are at least even. Some I am unsure about whether they might be better worse or the same, such as Kirby, G&W, ZSS. I think Ike possibly beats Wario but I'm not 100% sure. Need to play Trela again to see how it is vs Lucario. -1 sounds right, but I want to make it better =)

I think Ike beats sheik. Ike is at least +1 vs Bowser and Jigglypuff. I thought we were +0 against Yoshi, too. We may be +0 against Ness but we have an advantage vs Lucas.

 

[Steam]

ikr? So much hate yet Peach has been getting loads more of attention and better matchups, I have a feeling she'll be top tier some day... some day.

But she'll most likely move up for the next tier list for once.

not much if at all. she still goes absolutely nowhere at significant tournies :/

 

[MechaWave]

not much if at all. she still goes absolutely nowhere at significant tournies :/

Yeah. *sniffle*

 

[Matador]

Most of sheida's MUs didn't make sense to me either :/

Same.

I feel like Sheik/Zelda is one of those characters that's been coasting more on "potential" than actual results since '08.

 

[DtJ Composer]

Samus Peach is even.
Samus ROB is even.
Samus Olimar is -4 (or even -17)
Samus ICs isn't -3


Not that it matters because at the end of the day Samus is still Samus.


Oh hey Jekyll I see you there.

 

[HeroMystic]

-3:
-2:

I really want to see the reasoning behind this.

 

[Poltergust]

8:2 bro. Flowchart wolf keeps yoshi out. I literally use 4 moves to beat any Yoshi I've played, including Deltagod and Pride back in the day.

Well, considering that PRiDE stopped playing a long time ago and Deltagod is some player I've never heard of (), maybe those techniques worked well in the past but won't be as effective now. A lot of things change over time. For example, Yoshi vs. Samus used to be listed as 35:65 in Samus' favor (which I wholeheartedly disagreed with, by the way), but now it's listed as a even match-up.

inb4 Xyro raging.

 

[Steam]

that too... Lucario definitely does better than mario does against MK.... just lol...

 

[_Yes!_]

Well, considering that PRiDE stopped playing a long time ago and Deltagod is some player I've never heard of (), maybe those techniques worked well in the past but won't be as effective now. A lot of things change over time. For example, Yoshi vs. Samus used to be listed as 35:65 in Samus' favor (which I wholeheartedly disagreed with, by the way), but now it's listed as a even match-up.

I played pride in 08/09 and Delta in '10. Same crap worked on both of them.