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Sorry, I can't help but lol at your attempts to pick up other characters and do well with them. You were born to play Snake, accept it son.im use to people thinking they can beat me until i play them and if i could like tht post i would gheb ! but im a diddy main now so no more snake
ZSS's tether grab also has a hitbox right in front of her for most of the grab.Zard is also quicker across the ground and has a larger grab range, which can be helpful against Marth because they like to short hop infront of opponents alot to space with fair. I could be wrong though.
Just to nitpick, Zard has the third longest non-tether grab in the game because Ivy's grab technically isn't a tether grab, and is longer than D3's. Despite the fact that he uses his tether, it doesn't have the same mechanics as other tether grabs, and has the mechanics of regular grabs.
For tether grabs the hitbox is basically the actual tether. For Ivy the hitbox is actually beneath the vines, so you can't actually grab an opponent off the ground (unless you grab someone off the edge at stage-level).
So basically, Ivy's grab is a longer, slower, and lower version of D3's grab that doesn't a boost in range from being pivoted.
You learn something everyday.
Both.You mean infront of her hand or her tether?
Is the hitbox still basically centred around the tether though?
Either way, I wasn't the one who came up with the tether non-tether distinction, just what I read.
Does the bitbox move in relation to the vines being extended?So are you saying the tether isn't the hitbox?
My understanding is that for a tether grab the tether is largely reflective of the actual hitbox. For example Snake's ftilt has a disjointed hitbox, but his arm is still the hitbox.
Ivy's vines are barely in the actual hitbox though. Ivy's dtilt is probably a better reflection of the grab hitbox.
If you normally grab the ledge you can still do invincible attacks from the ledge. Holding your tether for a little on the ledge just eats up your "I have to stay on the ledge" frames, similarly to MK doing a lagless nado. There's still lag, it's just all eaten up in his falling time.SMP- That's my point. Her grab hitbox is in line with her tether, whereas Ivy's isn't. I know you weren't necessarily disagreeing with me, but just reiterating my point.
Nick- I'm not sure if the hitbox extends with the tether. I know the length of the vines isn't indicative of the length of the hitbox though. Ivy's pivot grab has the same range as her standing grab, yet the vines are visibily shorter if I recall correctly.
The vines really have so little to do with Ivy's grab. The only relevance they have is justifying making it tether-length, but other than that there is pretty much no relation.
While I've got the ZSSes here, do you guys use your tether to attack with invincibility frames from the ledge?
This is not true, I tested it out.But tether snapping still gives more usable iframes because you waste less of them holding the ledge correct?
I didn't really understand your post to be honest.
haha i know man its a horrible curse but my diddy will be going to a tourny in les than 2 weeks and its my 1st tourny since ages man so we will see how the placement goes or i panic and pull out the rusty snake hahaSorry, I can't help but lol at your attempts to pick up other characters and do well with them. You were born to play Snake, accept it son.
If we get more, it's not enough to be important.No I get you. Tether snapping to the edge grants you only half the iframes you would get from normally grabbing the edge.
Tethers only get 20 something iframes. I thought the advantage though was that we could release from it on like frame 3, which is alot sooner than when you normally grab the edge, thus giving us more usable iframes despite only having half the usual iframes to begin with.
aww why'd you quit snake your so fun to watch with him I've seen all your brawl vids vs Kasper and Anaky you guys look like so much fun to fight . I don't know the ;D smiley and that comment was me joking I'm sorry if people thought i was hyping myself up or something I wasn't trying to appear as cocky just because I have friends i play locally who can't beat me I know there are people out there who make me look like a joke in comparison.im use to people thinking they can beat me until i play them and if i could like tht post i would gheb ! but im a diddy main now so no more snake
I have no idea what you mean by "professional gamer" but it's irrelevant either way. The point is you probably haven't played too many good brawl players. Or at all really.aww why'd you quit snake your so fun to watch with him I've seen all your brawl vids vs Kasper and Anaky you guys look like so much fun to fight . I don't know the ;D smiley and that comment was me joking I'm sorry if people thought i was hyping myself up or something I wasn't trying to appear as cocky just because I have friends i play locally who can't beat me I know there are people out there who make me look like a joke in comparison.
oh and at that guy who imlied i never played at a competetive level I used to be a proffesional gamer before alot of my friends left for University and such ;-;.
Though I quite hate UK's smash scene to be honest not for the players your all fun to watch and look pro but i've been meaning to ask you or fuzzyness this but why is it you can call your tournaments London monthlies when they AREN'T IN LONDON. But in a ghost town that's known for making jam and all the tournaments take place in a Church that holds Yoga practice? Do you guys just not have the money for a colledge, an auditorium or something because i thought UK's melee scene from what i heard would have enough people going in order to suplement costs to get bigger better venues in more well known establishments and i'd think brawl would be a side event so why Tip tree communial hall? why not like university of London or somewhere like in London, then it would make sense for it to be London monthlies .
a proffesional means to earn money at something gamer is playing video games I used to fit that description i admit someone who isn't a proffesional or who has never been one can be at a higher standard than the person making money at doing something.I have no idea what you mean by "professional gamer" but it's irrelevant either way. The point is you probably haven't played too many good brawl players. Or at all really.
And if you tend to play local casual friends you can beat and admit you can't tell who's good and who's not from videos, then chances are you aren't in a good position to discuss MUs. Just saying.
Very, VERY few high level players are ever going to lose to Mario just because not a lot of people use him. The element of surprise won't help you that much. He's low tier for a reason. I never said you suck, but I am going to assume you've never played a decent snake just from the things you were suggesting would work.a proffesional means to earn money at something gamer is playing video games I used to fit that description i admit someone who isn't a proffesional or who has never been one can be at a higher standard than the person making money at doing something.
2nd I can read what people are doing in videos, but I keep an open mind because they don't paint a 100% picture because people have different tactics for playing matchups so I don't know how they would do against me because i have completely different set of characters that to my knowledge aren't used in my region or rarely used. So my guess is everyone in these vids would possibly treat me differently in battle because I use those characters, that and I'm aware that most people of this level are capable of adapting, so i don't know how they would adapt vs me i know how my friend who's almost my level has adapted vs me but i can't comment on the adaptation aspect of people i've never played vs my characters or myself. This Brawl complete noobs can beat good players if the good players don't know how to adapt i'm not saying the game has no competetive value my point is vids only give a picture of a certain MU and against certain people.
I think anybody has a right to suggest new tactics that have never been tried just because i don't live in a accesible scene play wifi and play local friends doesn't mean I suck, I know i'll never be as good as what i would be if i did go to tournaments but whatever.
This! ^this thread is such garbage. all yall do is talk about talking about MUs instead of just discussing MUs
lol thanks but il make my diddy fun to watch and tbh i dno i live like 5 hours from london i just turn up when londoners organise a tourny hahaaww why'd you quit snake your so fun to watch with him I've seen all your brawl vids vs Kasper and Anaky you guys look like so much fun to fight . I don't know the ;D smiley and that comment was me joking I'm sorry if people thought i was hyping myself up or something I wasn't trying to appear as cocky just because I have friends i play locally who can't beat me I know there are people out there who make me look like a joke in comparison.
oh and at that guy who imlied i never played at a competetive level I used to be a proffesional gamer before alot of my friends left for University and such ;-;.
Though I quite hate UK's smash scene to be honest not for the players your all fun to watch and look pro but i've been meaning to ask you or fuzzyness this but why is it you can call your tournaments London monthlies when they AREN'T IN LONDON. But in a ghost town that's known for making jam and all the tournaments take place in a Church that holds Yoga practice? Do you guys just not have the money for a colledge, an auditorium or something because i thought UK's melee scene from what i heard would have enough people going in order to suplement costs to get bigger better venues in more well known establishments and i'd think brawl would be a side event so why Tip tree communial hall? why not like university of London or somewhere like in London, then it would make sense for it to be London monthlies .
All you ever do is talk about Pit and Texas.this thread is such garbage. all yall do is talk about talking about MUs instead of just discussing MUs
A lesser player using a character like Mario will pretty much never win against a high level player using a high/top tier though.^ 5 hours? where do you live please say North West England it'd be nice to meet someone new in real life :D.
and @ ZMX i know Mario sucks I use Yoshi,sonic and wolf as well though which are never used in UK other than Killerjawz using wolf in doubles and i saw Jmiller use sonic in a vid once. Tbh Mario can be a decent pocket choice he goes even enough with Diddy and Olimar, I never really had the same level of success with good characters as i did with Mario, other than Wolf who i know i use worse than my Mario anyway and Yoshi who's well Yoshi xD.
@ZMX that comment about people's skill levels was an exageration though it is possible i think for a worse player to beat a better one at certain levels of play I mean look at some characters some of them have 0 chance of winning, which is what i was reffering too that.
Oh and i apologise i wasn't Johning about playing you because your a snake that kinda came out wrong.
sheesh about two pages of me talking to people how did that happen O.o
ROFL though Mario main secondaries Yoshi,Sonic, Wolf i bet you all think i am a noob now xD
haha i live in scunthorpe man its near sheffield / doncaster^ 5 hours? where do you live please say North West England it'd be nice to meet someone new in real life :D.
and @ ZMX i know Mario sucks I use Yoshi,sonic and wolf as well though which are never used in UK other than Killerjawz using wolf in doubles and i saw Jmiller use sonic in a vid once. Tbh Mario can be a decent pocket choice he goes even enough with Diddy and Olimar, I never really had the same level of success with good characters as i did with Mario, other than Wolf who i know i use worse than my Mario anyway and Yoshi who's well Yoshi xD.
@ZMX that comment about people's skill levels was an exageration though it is possible i think for a worse player to beat a better one at certain levels of play I mean look at some characters some of them have 0 chance of winning, which is what i was reffering too that.
Oh and i apologise i wasn't Johning about playing you because your a snake that kinda came out wrong.
sheesh about two pages of me talking to people how did that happen O.o
ROFL though Mario main secondaries Yoshi,Sonic, Wolf i bet you all think i am a noob now xD