Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
ok, because i saw another thread like this but it died because the creator never updated it i will try to make a successful guide to all the best and worst stages cps for going against each character, just post what you think for each matchup with a good reason against that character and as long as there isnt any big discrepancies among that i will add it to this chart:
stuff like this gives me an idea, the pending list where im not sure or someone brought up a certain point about a level makes me unsure will go
guess ill start it now:
Rainbow cruise discussion, because most people have discrepancies as RC being the worst stage for a lot of match ups ill just erase RC off the list if it isn't obvious for now so we can figure what match ups truly have RC as the worst
im now making this a stage discussion in general thread as well, where i will just copy any useful stage info for oli from anywhere i wants to, in this thread or not
Originally Posted by Dyyne View Post
I kinda thought that snake dominated too much on bf, since it's small enough that you can barely move without running into a grenade, mine, etc., which can still hit you even if they're on platforms.
How about this?
I had to divide it into three charts, however, due it being too big for all five stages in one chart. I could possibly fit "Best Neutral", "Best Counterpick", and "Second Best Counterpick" into a chart to reduce it to two charts, but instead I thought there should be "Second Best Neutral", as you wont always get your best neutral in stage strike against your opponent (Pikachu will always strike Lylat, Luigi will always strike FD).
Code:Character Best Neutral Second Best Neutral worst neutral Bowser - - - Captain Falcon - - - Diddy Kong Battlefield Yoshi's island - Donkey Kong - - - Falco Battlefield - - Fox - - - Ganondorf Battlefield - - Ice Climbers Battlefield - - Ike Battlefield - - Jigglypuff - - - King DeDeDe Final Destination Battlefield - Kirby battlefield - - Link Battlefield - - Lucario Final destination - - Lucas Final Destination - - Luigi Final Destination - - Mario Yoshi's island(B) - - Marth Final Destination - - Meta Knight Lylat Battlefield - Mr. Game & Watch Yoshi's Island (B) - - Ness Battlefield - - Peach Yoshi's Island (B) - - Pikachu Lylat Battlefield - Pit Battlefield - - Pokemon Trainer Final Destination - - R.O.B. Battlefield - - Samus - - - Sheik Final Destination - - Snake Final Destination Battlefield - Sonic Final Destination - - Toon Link - - - Wario Yoshi's Island Final Destination - Wolf Lylat Cruise Battlefield - Yoshi Lylat Cruise - - Zelda Final Destination - - Zelda/Shiek - - - Zero Suit Samus Final Destination - -
Code:Character Best Counterpick Second Counterpick Bowser Luigi's Mansion - Captain Falcon Luigi's Mansion - Diddy Kong Norfair Luigi's Mansion Donkey Kong Lylat Cruise - Falco Battlefield Luigi's mansion Fox Luigi's Mansion - Ganondorf Luigi's Mansion Norfair Ice Climbers Norfair Battlefield Ike Luigi's Mansion - Jigglypuff Luigi's Mansion - King DeDeDe Luigi's Mansion - Kirby Luigi's Mansion - Link Luigi's Mansion - Lucario Halberd - Lucas Norfair Yoshi's Island (B) Luigi Luigi's mansion Halberd Mario Pokemon Stadium 1 Lylat Marth Luigi's Mansion Halberd Meta Knight Pokemon Stadium 1 Lylat Mr. Game & Watch - - Ness - - Peach - - Pikachu Lylat Luigi mansion Pit Luigi's Mansion - Pokemon Trainer Luigi's Mansion Final Destination R.O.B. Luigi's mansion Battlefield Samus Luigi's Mansion - Sheik Final Destination - Snake Luigi's Mansion - Sonic Norfair Luigi mansion Toon Link Luigi's Mansion - Wario Luigi's Mansion Frigate orpheon Wolf Luigi's Mansion Lylat Cruise Yoshi Lylat Cruise - Zelda Luigi's Mansion - Zelda/Shiek Luigi's Mansion - Zero Suit Samus Final Destination -
Code:haracter Worst Counterpick Second Worst Counterpick - Bowser Rainbow Cruise - Captain Falcon Rainbow Cruise - Diddy Kong Final destination - Donkey Kong Rainbow Cruise - Falco Rainbow Cruise Jungle Japes Fox Rainbow Cruise - Ganondorf Rainbow Cruise - Ice Climbers Final Destination Rainbow Cruise Ike Pirate Ship Rainbow Cruise Jigglypuff Frigate Orpheon Rainbow Cruise King DeDeDe Rainbow Cruise Jungle japes Kirby Rainbow Cruise - Link Rainbow Cruise - Lucario Jungle Japes Frigate orpheon Lucas Rainbow Cruise - Luigi Rainbow Cruise Battlefield Mario Rainbow Cruise - Marth Rainbow Cruise - Meta Knight Rainbow Cruise Luigi's Mansion Mr. Game & Watch Rainbow Cruise Norfair Ness Rainbow Cruise - Peach Rainbow Cruise - Pikachu Rainbow Cruise Delphino Plaza Pit Rainbow Cruise - Pokemon Trainer Rainbow Cruise - R.O.B. Rainbow Cruise Frigate Orpheon Samus Rainbow Cruise - Sheik Rainbow Cruise - Snake Rainbow Cruise Battlefield Sonic Rainbow Cruise - Toon Link Rainbow Cruise - Wario Rainbow Cruise - Wolf Rainbow Cruise Jungle Japes Yoshi Rainbow Cruise - Zelda Rainbow Cruise - Zelda/Shiek Rainbow Cruise - Zero Suit Samus Rainbow Cruise -
Changes:
-Addition of "Second Best Neutral"
-Stages that were not banned when the previous list was made were removed (See Corneria). If there were any stages behind them, they would be bumped up to take its spot.
-Lylat was, and in my opinion should be, considered neutral for this list, as almost every tournament has it as one, for stage striking purposes. As long as we have a second best neutral after it it'll be alright if a tournament doesnt have it as a neutral.
So yeah, if you'd like to use this, dabuz, feel free. You can just copy it to the first post if you want. It's for the most part simple to update, but if you dont feel like updating it, I can do so for you and pm you the changes. Either way works.
stuff like this gives me an idea, the pending list where im not sure or someone brought up a certain point about a level makes me unsure will go
guess ill start it now:
Rainbow cruise discussion, because most people have discrepancies as RC being the worst stage for a lot of match ups ill just erase RC off the list if it isn't obvious for now so we can figure what match ups truly have RC as the worst
im now making this a stage discussion in general thread as well, where i will just copy any useful stage info for oli from anywhere i wants to, in this thread or not
Originally Posted by Dyyne View Post
I kinda thought that snake dominated too much on bf, since it's small enough that you can barely move without running into a grenade, mine, etc., which can still hit you even if they're on platforms.
Well, I started playing ness a bit, and I was playing against my friends d3 on luigi's. I realized that ness can stand on those two little platforms on the bottom floor, and pk fire hits alot easier. It can also hit the pillars on the side of luigi's, which makes the fire pillar appear. Ness can u-tilt juggle pretty well here too. Basically, I'm not sure luigi's is as useful as usual here.
EDIT: I also think that yoshi's (pipes) is a really great olimar level too. I realize that it is often banned, but when it's not, it's amazing I think. It has many characteristics that hugely benefit oli. Some help others too, but I think oli does especially.
1. The middle part that can result in sd's doesn't harm oli too much, because he can tether from almost anywhere down there, and still grab the edge.
2. Both side have slopes. Camping is amazing on these slopes. Oli's pikmin toss while standing on a slope is so hot. It angles perfectly. It's amazing. Oli's grab is also amazing on the slopes.
3. The only section where gimping can occur is on the left side, which can be avoided.
4. The left side isn't even bad for oli. Because it is so close to the blast line, b-throw, d-smash, etc. kill so excellently here. Another thing is that:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage21/stage21_080107a-l.jpg
If you look all the way on the left, you'll see that it is flat, then rises on the left, then declines on the right. Oli can be standing on the flat part or the rising part on the left, and grab people on the declining part on the right. It is amazing.
5. The right side of the stage, again, can be camped amazingly, and oli can get easy b-throw kills since it's a walkoff.
All in all, yoshi's pipes are ridiculously amazing.