Pound 5 Info Dump

Aniolas · Feb 21, 2011

Mario Moonshine said:
Actually, it's happened to him before at multiple tournaments, he got angry and said he wanted Jiggz banned as a result, but really he was just angry at himself for not being able to stop rolling.

LOL!!

Armadas has been saying that he hates jiggz and want the char banned since his first tournament, which was RoS1 in feb 2005.

Diakonos · Feb 21, 2011

I'm happy if we can establish that the top spot doesn't need to belong to someone who doesn't let us gage his skill.

PP/Armada for first.

yuki · Feb 21, 2011

Aniolas said:
LOL!!

Armadas has been saying that he hates jiggz and want the char banned since his first tournament, which was RoS1 i feb 2005.

haha
The dude was what? 12 at the time?

Armada makes Europe matter

Hack · Feb 21, 2011

Fuzzyness said:
reminds of me the talk when ice lost against kirby, same nooby **** -_-

"Ice, er rollt zu viel, du musst es bestrafen!"
"Nah, und was soll ich denn dagegen tun!?"

<3

Smooth Criminal · Feb 21, 2011

tarheeljks said:
man i'm glad pp won, but you guys can't be serious w/the "no crowd johns" posts. go check a vegas spread/moneyline and see how whether probability remains constant based on game location

...so if I gamble in a casino in Biloxi versus one in Vegas, I'll have different odds?

What the hell.

Smooth Criminal

SypherPhoenix · Feb 21, 2011

Bad phone camera, but yeah.

PP/Armada Winners Bracket
P1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzuIQokInY8
P2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpNp7EK41Zc

Grand Finals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dBfwAr3BG0

Beanman · Feb 21, 2011

Smooth Criminal said:
...so if I gamble in a casino in Biloxi versus one in Vegas, I'll have different odds?

What the hell.

Smooth Criminal

While I do feel "crowd" johns are BS, this analogy is terrible. At either place, the house is against you -.-

peyudosmith · Feb 21, 2011

Mario Moonshine said:
Actually, it's happened to him before at multiple tournaments, he got angry and said he wanted Jiggz banned as a result, but really he was just angry at himself for not being able to stop rolling.

he beat ur best Jigglypuff with Young Link today, so ****ing easily. get over it ******.

Smooth Criminal · Feb 21, 2011

Beanman said:
While I do feel "crowd" johns are BS, this analogy is terrible. At either place, the house is against you -.-

Exactly. The "what the hell" in my post was meant to infer that.

XD

Smooth Criminal

Beanman · Feb 21, 2011

Smooth Criminal said:
Exactly. The "what the hell" in my post was meant to infer that.

XD

Smooth Criminal

woops completely went over my head XD

Mario Moonshine · Feb 21, 2011

Degree said:
Talk is so cheap. If Armada is SO predictable how does he get anywhere near the final stages?

PeePee won because he outplayed Armada, Armada wasn't able to really find a way back onto the stage effectively a lot of the times, PP found something that worked and kept doing it until it stopped working. (Which it didn't in this case)

But if he's predictable, and you know his playstyle, you should have no problems beating him. So how many times have you beat him?

Oh right.

You must be new to smashboards, welcome. Have you ever attended a major tournament? =D

bryu_1337 · Feb 21, 2011

no crowd johns is legit. sure, the crowd plays it's role, but imagine if this were a sporting event where instead of a couple hundred people cheering for pp, there were tens of thousands. it's armada's job (and basically anyone that plays against pp on the ec) to drown out the crowd and overcome it mentally. if he didn't, then it's only his fault, but i highly doubt armada lost because of the crowd. look at how he performed; it's not like he got 3 stocked or something. he gave himself a chance to win

Degree · Feb 21, 2011

Mario Moonshine said:
You must be new to smashboards, welcome. Have you ever attended a major tournament? =D

You must be new to having your arguments picked apart.

Oh wait, you're probably very experienced at that considering you didn't respond to any part of my post. =D

Papero · Feb 21, 2011

Koru Barton said:
wtf is wrong with u? buying mvc3 should take like ten mintues. u seriously skipped out of getting an amazing game to watch this? what a ****in moron. itls like 5 in the afternoon, why dont u just get it now? ur seriously not gonna get it AT ALL today because of the stream? god ur stupid.

Oh no, I've done something terrible.

How could I hold off MvC3 for one day to watch an amazing Melee tourney.

Thank you for your kind advice, sir.

Mario Moonshine · Feb 21, 2011

peyudosmith said:
he beat ur best Jigglypuff with Young Link today, so ****ing easily. get over it ******.

Why so angry? Please don't shoot anyone over your pride issues and stay away from sharp objects for a while until you calm down. USA da bess.

TheLastCacely · Feb 21, 2011

yo, mario moonshine, stop making america look bad.

and stay free.

King Funk · Feb 21, 2011

No hate from Europe. PP is the best. <3 the community.

Euclid · Feb 21, 2011

The crowd would play a role when there are 200 people screaming against you and they're literally right next to your ear though. Comparing a nerd playing a video game is a lot different than comparing a professional athlete playing a professional sport...

Gratz to PP. Armada, you're still awesome.

bryu_1337 · Feb 21, 2011

peyudosmith said:
he beat ur best Jigglypuff with Young Link today, so ****ing easily. get over it ******.

best jigglypuff my ***. have you ever heard of pound 4? mango's is clearly better

(i'm not knocking hbox by any means, just saying mango is clearly the better puff)

Fågelholken · Feb 21, 2011

bryu_1337 said:
no crowd johns is legit. sure, the crowd plays it's role, but imagine if this were a sporting event where instead of a couple hundred people cheering for pp, there were tens of thousands. it's armada's job (and basically anyone that plays against pp on the ec) to drown out the crowd and overcome it mentally. if he didn't, then it's only his fault, but i highly doubt armada lost because of the crowd. look at how he performed; it's not like he got 3 stocked or something. he gave himself a chance to win

Well that's true and all, but why is Armada the ONLY ONE who constantly has to prove he has that ability? Why don't the top american players prove they've got that down as well?

Mario Moonshine · Feb 21, 2011

Degree said:
You must be new to having your arguments picked apart.

Oh wait, you're probably very experienced at that considering you didn't respond to any part of my post. =D

That wasn't an argument that you presented, that was Ad hominem. I see you haven't ever debated OR attended a major smash tournament.

tarheeljks · Feb 21, 2011

Smooth Criminal said:
...so if I gamble in a casino in Biloxi versus one in Vegas, I'll have different odds?

What the hell.

Smooth Criminal

wat. perhaps i was not clear enough. say you want to bet the lakers vs the heat-- you will get different odds depending on whether the game is in miami, los angeles, or a neutral site

edit: again, i'm glad pp won, think he's better etc. but it's a bit nonsensical to suggest that crowd/game location do not affect results. they have proven to do so in every other sport/competition. idk why they wouldn't here

peyudosmith · Feb 21, 2011

bryu_1337 said:
no crowd johns is legit. sure, the crowd plays it's role, but imagine if this were a sporting event where instead of a couple hundred people cheering for pp, there were tens of thousands. it's armada's job (and basically anyone that plays against pp on the ec) to drown out the crowd and overcome it mentally. if he didn't, then it's only his fault, but i highly doubt armada lost because of the crowd. look at how he performed; it's not like he got 3 stocked or something. he gave himself a chance to win

that's exactly why he lost. they are so close (PP and Armada) that anything which plays a part in the game or their minds while they're playing, can make the small difference of winning or losing. I agree johns are lame, but in this case I do believe Armada would have won if they were playing in same condition. In the WF there wasn't a big response from the crowd and Armada managed to beat him quite easy.

TheLastCacely · Feb 21, 2011

im pretty sure hbox's puff is better than mangos >.>

Smooth Criminal · Feb 21, 2011

Euclid said:
The crowd would play a role when there are 200 people screaming against you and they're literally right next to your ear though. Comparing a nerd playing a video game is a lot different than comparing a professional athlete playing a professional sport...

A nerd should still condition himself so that he could play in those adverse conditions.

No johns.

Smooth Criminal

Euclid · Feb 21, 2011

bryu_1337 said:
best jigglypuff my ***. have you ever heard of pound 4? mango's is clearly better

(i'm not knocking hbox by any means, just saying mango is clearly the better puff)

Mango WAS the better Puff. He's done now. This is 2011. Hbox IS Puff.

Xelyst · Feb 21, 2011

what i find weird is that ppl are just being dumb and not acknowledging that pp just played pretty damn good and armada was just not able to beat it

they were very close games and very close sets

dr pp won. congrats

armada is just as good imo

but there can only be 1 winner so w/e

Smooth Criminal · Feb 21, 2011

tarheeljks said:
wat. perhaps i was not clear enough. say you want to be the lakers vs the heat-- you will get different odds depending on whether the game is in miami or los angeles

So I guess the Steelers lost to the Packers 'cause they were playing in Texas, right?

Bad analogy is bad.

Smooth Criminal

Yeniths · Feb 21, 2011

Mango hasn't won anything since forever now, I don't consider him the best at all anymore tbh lol

KoRoBeNiKi · Feb 21, 2011

bryu_1337 said:
best jigglypuff my ***. have you ever heard of pound 4? mango's is clearly better

(i'm not knocking hbox by any means, just saying mango is clearly the better puff)

Mango hasn't been used Puff or has joked around at the majority of tourneys he has been recently. hbox has actually been more consistent.

Got Ninja'd ;c

Similarly, I consider Dr PP to be the best Falco right now.

Beanman · Feb 21, 2011

Fågelholken said:
Well that's true and all, but why is Armada the ONLY ONE who constantly has to prove he has that ability? Why don't the top american players prove they've got that down as well?

Simple. The best tournaments are in america.

dch111 · Feb 21, 2011

I don't think anyone who had been watching the matches up to GF expected PP to suddenly change the way he did. But seeing that he had an opportunity to win Pound 5 could have motivated new inspiration.

I think it only became clear after that moment on YS where they both shielded next to each other for awhile that PP had figured out how to handle Armada's defensive game. Instead of relying on a continuous string of attacks to undermine the shield, he started backing off more often after every shielded approach. The new spacing subverted Armada's OOS game.

peyudosmith · Feb 21, 2011

bryu_1337 said:
best jigglypuff my ***. have you ever heard of pound 4? mango's is clearly better

(i'm not knocking hbox by any means, just saying mango is clearly the better puff)

yeah well. where's Mango right now? probably getting drunk to have an excuse later.

don't take me wrong, I know Mango WAS the best. but pretending he's still the best while he fails in several tournaments is stupid. don't say 'a trying Mango' is the best player in the world. hipotetical players do not exist.

tarheeljks · Feb 21, 2011

Smooth Criminal said:
So I guess the Steelers lost to the Packers 'cause they were playing in Texas, right?

Bad analogy is bad.

Smooth Criminal

read it again

edit: here's a hint-- what i said does not imply what you said

bryu_1337 · Feb 21, 2011

Euclid said:
The crowd would play a role when there are 200 people screaming against you and they're literally right next to your ear though. Comparing a nerd playing a video game is a lot different than comparing a professional athlete playing a professional sport...

Gratz to PP. Armada, you're still awesome.

how? armada knows how rowdy the crowds over here get and he's said before that he's used to it now. it's his fault if he let it get to him just like it' the athlete's fault if they don't get the clutch moment because of the crowd getting to them.

he played amazing all tournament, he just lost when it mattered. the other player was better; just like genesis.

Tomoe Mami · Feb 21, 2011

Euclid said:
Mango WAS the better Puff. He's done now. This is 2011. Hbox IS Puff.

no even back then hbox had the better puff. mango was just the better player.

there is a difference.

if anyone says the crowd got to armada they clearly didn't watch the set. nearly every chant was ruined by armada. if anything, armada was the one who benefited from the chants. especially the "usa!" chants.

every usa chant pp lost a stock. generally these were the moments that pp went in too hard and got punished for committing to a bad approach.

Fågelholken · Feb 21, 2011

Beanman said:
Simple. The best tournaments are in america.

Then that has to be changed!!! Naooo

Iron Dragon · Feb 21, 2011

Top 8 Results:
1. Dr. Peepee
2. Armada
3. Hbox
4. Axe
5. Hax
5. M2K
7. Vanz
7. Cactuar

Veetaak · Feb 21, 2011

Yeniths said:
Mango hasn't won anything since forever now, I don't consider him the best at all anymore tbh lol

Agreed. Though I think he has the potential to be it if he stops fooling around

Smooth Criminal · Feb 21, 2011

tarheeljks said:
read it again

edit: here's a hint-- what i said does not imply what you said

I did.

Your point's still moot.

Smooth Criminal

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