Eggm
Smash Hero
All melee yoshi needs to be balanced is the ability to jump out of shield.
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- Thread starter DarkDragoon
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MK26
Smash Master
needs less starcraft
and just ftr, in brawl+, we're basically at a point where, despite not having achieved perfect balance, we can say that every character is viable at tourney levels of play. there may end up being top/middle/bottom tiers, but the difference between these tiers should be small enough to be negligible once player skill is taken into account. if im not mistaken, this level of balance is what P:M will be going for...but at this point, balance is secondary to recreating melee physics
of course, we could go for the SCAR FOR PREZ route, but weve got a bit of time before your next election...thisll be our backup plan, eh?
and just ftr, in brawl+, we're basically at a point where, despite not having achieved perfect balance, we can say that every character is viable at tourney levels of play. there may end up being top/middle/bottom tiers, but the difference between these tiers should be small enough to be negligible once player skill is taken into account. if im not mistaken, this level of balance is what P:M will be going for...but at this point, balance is secondary to recreating melee physics
of course, we could go for the SCAR FOR PREZ route, but weve got a bit of time before your next election...thisll be our backup plan, eh?
DarkDragoon
Smash Champion
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/im5ive
This guy livestreams when hes playing Project:M.
Its a good place to check into every now and again to check up on progress in action.
-DD
This guy livestreams when hes playing Project:M.
Its a good place to check into every now and again to check up on progress in action.
-DD
yuki
Smash Apprentice
awesome shtuff
Anth0ny
Smash Master
THIS.
Priorities should be as follows:
1. (Near) perfectly replicating Melee's physics into the game.
2. Changing characters to Melee form (ganon's fair, falco's shine, damage percentages etc.)
At this point, we should more or less be playing Melee with Brawl graphics. Then, and only then, should balancing charaters take place imo.
dealth0072
Smash Journeyman
Luigi
Get Hyped
Get Hyped
Eggm
Smash Hero
I completely agree with this. You never know how the new characters in brawl would be vses other characters with perfect melee physics. Olimar might demoish marth, fox and sheik, but get murdered by GaW, Yoshi, and Ness for example. Changing everything up.
Edit : Also we should be able to have a bunch of new neutral stages too which could drastically change the game. Balance should be super far distant future.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Olimars not good good against marth in brawl iirc(its been awhile). I can't see him doing very well against him.
Do you plan on playing Yoshi Eggm? Your Yoshi *****. I plan on playing Olimar myself(not sure yet).
Do you plan on playing Yoshi Eggm? Your Yoshi *****. I plan on playing Olimar myself(not sure yet).
Eggm
Smash Hero
It was just an example not a prediction. I do'nt know a thing about the brawl characters.
Uhh. I hated yoshi in brawl. If they re add DJC and make him exactly like in melee we will see.
Uhh. I hated yoshi in brawl. If they re add DJC and make him exactly like in melee we will see.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
idk I haven't played brawl for at least a year so I'm pretty sure it probably changed.
DarkDragoon
Smash Champion
Well, we can't all work on the physics, so some of us are arranging the moveset/animations in their ideally balanced version, and the others are working on the physics. Once the physics are down pat, we have a lot less work to do on the characters.
FYI, Yoshi can already DJC. I don't know if he feels like melee quite yet, but hes made progress =P.
Yeah, there are going to be a LOT more available stages for Neutral/CP.
-DD
MK26
Smash Master
try conditional DJC - release jump to djc, hold to perform a rising aerial
not to mention we've already got a fix for melee eggs
melee yoshi is coming back, my friend.
_Rated D.R.K_
Smash Apprentice
Quick draw to Wavedash? I think I found my Project M secondary.
The Good Doctor
Smash Champion
I'm afraid that the brawl exclusive characters are going to be hard to balance with the Melee physics.
I have high hopes for this though!
I have high hopes for this though!
Eggm
Smash Hero
Never know till we test it.
smash Your m0m
Smash Journeyman
i was watchin the livestream and it was sick as sh.it we need to test it so people can put there input that could help make the game more balanced and fun
samsonites101
Smash Cadet
In theory, this game could become amazing and a great successor to melee. The Brawl engine is far more advanced than Melees, its just the Brawl designers created a not so great game with it. Hopefully this will change that.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Sonic can wavedash/land out of spindashes/jumps/up B. And he can cancel homing attack into any aerial (before the HA even hits, so he can just like...move with it)
Pit can waveland out of his up B (which has a RIDICULOUS amount of pushback btw
)
I am a happy man.
Pit can waveland out of his up B (which has a RIDICULOUS amount of pushback btw
)I am a happy man.
Sraigux
Smash Journeyman
This still has brawl physics.
Melee is melee, brawl is brawl. It will never change.
Melee is melee, brawl is brawl. It will never change.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
^^You just jealous
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
Why not just wait for it to be released, and give it a try regardless of what physics engine it has?
AXE 09
Smash Master
because no matter how hard you work on brawl, it will never be as good as melee
I just don't understand this attack on P:M. Melee is going on nine years old. We all wanted something new, and Brawl failed us. So the P:M guys are trying to provide the best of both worlds: Brawl characters and stages with Melee (or as close to Melee as possible) gameplay.
I think it's a fantastic goal, even if they don't get there 100%. At the very least, all of their hard work deserves a "Let's wait and see how it turns out" approach instead of a knee-jerk "DUR PLAY MALAY" response.
`DNS`
Smash Lord
Jigglypuff!
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
stop being so elitist about melee
it's a great game, my favorite game, but it doesn't mean you can behave like ******s.
it's a great game, my favorite game, but it doesn't mean you can behave like ******s.
L__
Smash Master
please
everyone stop *****ing about how "P:M will never be as good as Melee"
everyone stop *****ing about how "P:M will never be as good as Melee"
The Good Doctor
Smash Champion
Meme
Smash Journeyman
Looks nice...
I'll look foward to it, so we can take the dust off our Brawl disc for some time...
I'll look foward to it, so we can take the dust off our Brawl disc for some time...
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Why are so many people so dumb? "why not just play melee?" is the stupidest thing ever. If this is exactly like melee in nearly every way, then why play melee? This will be melee with more characters and stages >_>.
Hellsinglover999
Smash Journeyman
this project sounds amazing
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It won't be exactly like melee, but thats hardly a bad thing. Some people just have to stop being gay with the whole "its different so it must be bad" mentality. Just keep an open mind and try it. If it sucks, it sucks, but you can't say anything until you've tried it.
Requiem
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
I've got a very urgent question.
Can you do things to stages like make the ceiling higher etc? This would make a lot of banned CP's viable again.
Can you do things to stages like make the ceiling higher etc? This would make a lot of banned CP's viable again.
Sonic sounds like taokaka from BlazblueSonic can wavedash/land out of spindashes/jumps/up B. And he can cancel homing attack into any aerial (before the HA even hits, so he can just like...move with it)
Pit can waveland out of his up B (which has a RIDICULOUS amount of pushback btw
I am a happy man.
Revven
FrankerZ
Yeeeeep. We can change almost anything about a stage (except for knockback of hazards... haven't cracked that stuff yet). So Corneria can already (just an example) be fixed to be how it was in Melee (bigger ship, the right boundaries etc).
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get rid of Captain Falcon's annoying sound effect when he dashes. I don't want to give my opponent a notice every time I dash dance.
Megachuk
Smash Ace
do we have an ETA on a beta for this or anything?
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Yeah we can replace that with another sound effect (though we can't insert our own sounds....yet)
Requiem
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
How about making that ceiling higher, doing the same for stages like green greens
So it's actually a fair stage =D
yuki
Smash Apprentice
humans are... Interesting!
seriously hyped for this
seriously hyped for this
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
We can do that too.
Oh, and I know people were talking earlier about hom brawl characters are bigger in comparison to stages than they were in melee...
Their plan is to make the stages themselves bigger.
Oh, and let's just say that there are a few more advance techs to worry about in P:M (coughairglidetossingcough) that might benefit the melee characters (coughPeach,Link,Y.Linkcough)
But this thread is kind of a couple months early <_<
Oh, and I know people were talking earlier about hom brawl characters are bigger in comparison to stages than they were in melee...
Their plan is to make the stages themselves bigger.
Oh, and let's just say that there are a few more advance techs to worry about in P:M (coughairglidetossingcough) that might benefit the melee characters (coughPeach,Link,Y.Linkcough)
But this thread is kind of a couple months early <_<