Rate Their Chances Day Sixty: Ashley Robbins and Ragna the BloodEdge

[Pseudomaniac]

Ganondorf- 100%. I personally think all the Melee vets are here to stay as long as they didn't get cut between melee and brawl.

Professor Layton- 35%
FOR
-Very popular new character.
-Uniqueness.
AGAINST
-3rd party.
-Competition against reps from Capcom, Square Enix, and other, more popular 3rd parties.
-Not much fan demand.

 

[Lightosia]

Copying my format...

Ganondorf

He's got his space in the Smash series in Melee. I think it's almost impossible he gets a cut. Even if we get less characters in Smash 4 (because there is a portable edition now), Ganny surely would be in.

100% 5-deserving

Layton

With 5 games for Nintendo DS (3 localized, 1 localization transferred to the 3DS) and the fact that he never appeared outside of a Nintendo console, Layton has more chance than a lot of 3rd party characters.
But... What moveset could he have from a puzzle game? Maybe he could use a cane, like a true gentleman. In Layton 2, he also uses a sword in one of the cutscenes.
Also, he may get used with crossovers because of his upcoming 3DS game with Phoenix Wright. He's got some nice popularity too.

If any other 3rd party character is confirmed, it could boost his chance a bit.
50% 4-wanted

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Nominate (Veterans):
Ness (x3)
Lucas (x2)


Nominate (Newcomers):
Mega Man (x1)
Phoenix Wright (x2)
Zoroark (x2)
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Starfy- 65%[/QUOTE]

 

[Barbasol]

Who would dare unseat the King of Evil? Ganondorf- 95% Ganondorf is one of the most prominent villains in all of gamings, in one of the most important series in all of gaming, antagonizing one of the most cherished heroes in all of gaming. Get the picture?

That said... his Smash record is a bit unfitting, having allegedly barely made it into Melee, and eternally mistreated as a Captain Falcon clone. We all hope Sakurai doesn't pull a Mewtwo and outright can the character because people found their gameplay style to be quite poor.

Elementary my dear Sakurai. Professor Hershel Layton- 18%. Layton is the star of a fantastic series of handheld games. And when you think platform fighter, you think brain teasers... wait... no you don't.

Layton suffers severely from relevancy. Yes, his games are fantastic, and yes he would be a welcome third-party addition... but... there are so many better choices if Smash 4 is going after the untapped handheld group of franchises. Advance Wars, Golden Sun, Starfy, just to name a few. All these FIRST-party games have yet to be tapped into for characters, why put an outside franchise first.

Sadly, the professor will have to look down his nose at this barbaric fighter. Maybe one day we can call Layton our brother. But not today. Want Level 4.

The only way Layton will make Smash 4 is for a grassroots campaign to appeal to Level 5 for them to go to Nintendo and request it. Otherwise, it won't happen.

But hey, in a case like this I'd LOVE to be wrong.

I predict Starfy will shoot in at 67%

Veteran Nominations:
Ness x5

Newcomer Nominations:
Andy x4
Black Knight x1

 

[TBone06]

Ganondorf - 95%. I just don't see them cutting out the second biggest franchises villain. Too important to the series to cut. Deserving for sure

Layton - 10%. I just don't see it happening. I could be totally wrong, but if I recall he is third party? I know he has some popularity which is a plus for him, I still don't see it personally.

5 vet noms for Ness
5 newcomers: Geno, Medusa, Krystal, Saki, Isaac

 

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Ganondorf - 95%

Layton - 5% (how did he get on a list for a fighting game?!)

 

[Deleted member]

Layton - 5% (how did he get on a list for a fighting game?!)

Ask Hoots.

 

[Berserker.]

Ganondorf 100% (60% revamp, 40% semi clone moveset).

Layton 35%

35% is HIGH for a 3rd party.

 

[Alien Vision]

Ganondorf is undoubtably 100% (My cat just threw up)

Prof. Lay 1% (WTF IS DIS) (DESERVING if he was godly like MK. It would be funny.)

Veterans: Lucario x 9000

NC's: Rayman x1 Dr.Egg Man x1 Mega man x1 Superman x1 Ironman x1

 

[Hoots]

My boy Hershel! Yes, this round of voting was MY doing! Regardless of the fact that he is third party and the star of a puzzle game, it ishard to deny how unique and cool Layton would be. Also, anyone who says he wouldn't fit in an action game obviously have never played his games. Layton is a total badass across the board his moveset potential is actually quite easy and he is hugely popular across the world. That being said, although many people simply consider the professor a Nintendo character, the fact is, and it makes me ****ing weep to say it, Layton is still third party. In addition, he may be popular, but of course he doesn't have the ridiculous recognition that people like Megaman have.
30% - Want 5

Ganondorf is an obvious shoe in. You can't break up the Triforce. Besides, who would replace him? Girahim? Please
100% - 5

5 nominations for Tom Nook.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Alright guys, I will now make my nominations for veterans and newcomers as follows:

Newcomers:

•Megaman (2x)
•Zoroark (1x)
•Dixie Kong (1x)
•Caeda (1x)

Veterans:

•Ike (1x)
•Pokemon Trainer (1x)
•Pichu (3x)

as far as the overall prediction for Starfy goes this is what I think will be decided: 55.50%

 

[BKupa666]

Ganondorf - 100%, Obvious importance, Zelda won't lose its villain for a one-shot like Ghirahim.

Layton - 15%, could happen, but Megaman is the only 3rd party with a truly massive fanbase that stands above the crowd, whereas Layton has to compete with Ryu, Bomberman, Travis Touchdown, Simon Belmont, Pacman, etc. for a slot, between whom popularity is very split. I think we'll see only Snake, Sonic and Megaman as SSBU's 3rd party characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Prof. Lay 1% (WTF IS DIS) (DESERVING if he was godly like MK. It would be funny.)

Veterans: Lucario x 9000

NC's: Rayman x1 Dr.Egg Man x1 Mega man x1 Superman x1 Ironman x1

- I would highly recommend reading up on Professor Layton before voting if you have no knowledge of him. I will not count votes that the player has no familiarity with because it means they are uninformed.

- I will count that as five times. Nice joke, thought.

- You cannot vote for Super Man or Iron Man as it is clear they will never be in SSB4 due to not being video game characters. Pick other candidates in place of them.

 

[Lightosia]

I really think Layton has more chances than a lot of 3rd parties. Mainly because he is the only candidate from Level 5.

Look at Capcom, for example: Megaman has to compete with Ryu, Zero and maybe even Viewtiful Joe, Amaterasu or Phoenix Wright. Two characters from Capcom is harder than one character from each company.

 

[Deleted member]

Note: You are allowed to rate characters likelihood from characters that have already been polled (If you missed it, that is), although they will not count towards the average. So for example, if you wish to rate King K. Rool but missed the opportunity, you may rate him, but they will not affect the average.

I really think Layton has more chances than a lot of 3rd parties. Mainly because he is the only candidate from Level 5.

Look at Capcom, for example: Megaman has to compete with Ryu, Zero and maybe even Viewtiful Joe, Amaterasu or Phoenix Wright. Two characters from Capcom is harder than one character from each company.

In that case, when Mega Man is polled, it'll be very interesting to see what you would rate him (Don't do it now).

 

[Alien Vision]

- I would highly recommend reading up on Professor Layton before voting if you have no knowledge of him. I will not count votes that the player has no familiarity with because it means they are uninformed.

- I will count that as five times. Nice joke, thought.

I don't need to look him up. He is obviously not a wanted character.. I don't want a character that is barely even managable compared to all of the renowned characters. Layton gets a 5% because I gave it some more thought. He is a professor. (Not Wanted)

- You cannot vote for Super Man or Iron Man as it is clear they will never be in SSB4 due to not being video game characters. Pick other candidates in place of them.

Can you think of two nintendo characters that end with ''man''? .-.

 

[finalark]

Ganondorf - 90% (he is the main antagonist of one of Nintendo's flagship titles, after all)

Professor Layton - 20% (I can't see him having a particularly diverse move setl)

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Ganondorf: 87%

We might see him, but the bad part is that he might be stuck as a clone. (-L_L-);

Though I don't know would I much care about it. But IMO, he needs really a new moveset this time.

I say he's Wanted. (4)

Layton: 9%

I really am dumbfounded by this choice. He's a gentleman who's specialised on mysteries and solving puzzles. Trying to integrate them into a fighting game would be quite too much stretch for Sakurai. Besides it's also little too out of character for a man like this... I've never seen him fighting before.

He would be best to be an Assist Trophy, if he even makes it.


I say he's... Unwanted. (2)


Prediction for Stafy: 86%


Nominating:

2x Lip

3x Takamaru


Not nominating Veterans this time.

 

[Barbasol]

Can you think of two nintendo characters that end with ''man''? .-.

Yes. Octoman, Jumpman (mario).

 

[Alien Vision]

Lol. I was joking about Iron man, and Super man. I wish to nominate Starfy x2

I wasn't joking about Professor I can't get Laidton. 5% (NO CHANCE)

 

[Deleted member]

Lol. I was joking about Iron man, and Super man. I wish to nominate Starfy x2

I wasn't joking about Professor I can't get Laidton. 5% (NO CHANCE)

Starfy is on deck and will be polled in about a hour once Day Five ends (Ends at 7:30 PM CST).

 

[Shorts]

Layton - 5% (how did he get on a list for a fighting game?!)

*Points at R.O.B and Olimar*

A toy, and a One-Inch man made it in, it's not that big of a stretch.

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry, but I'm going to be a little late in updating. I'll let the poll open until 8:30 PM CST and open it up for Day Six at 9:30 PM CST. However, I have to work at 7:00 AM CST, so no analysis coming until somewhere around 3:00 PM CST.

 

[Alien Vision]

Sorry, but I'm going to be a little late in updating. I'll let the poll open until 8:30 PM CST and open it up for Day Six at 9:30 PM CST. However, I have to work at 7:00 AM CST, so no analysis coming until somewhere around 3:00 PM CST.

What a lucky break. I nom Dixie Kong x2

 

[Deleted member]

Poll ends, getting new day up now.

 

[Deleted member]

There were two opposite spectrum when it came to likeliness. One was Ganondorf, with a 95.14%. Despite receiving an excellent score, he was very dissatisfied, and heavily looked down upon those who did say he was not guarantee, even thought they were still excellent scores. He left the stadium, threatening to take over Hyrule if he was cut. It left the community in shock, wondering what was going on.

Professor Layton has mild expectations for it, being a third-party character at all. When he came to see the results (Which was at a mere 23.14%), he was greatly disappointed that people thought he would not likely join SSB4, even thought he had desire to do so. In terms of want, he also got a 3.13. Professor Layton walked back home with Luke by his side, depressed that he would probably not join SSB4.

As soon as Layton disappeared, two candidate rose, Peach and Starfy. Both were energetic and ready to see the responses of the people who wanted him in. They were hoping to gain the greenlight for SSB4, but do you think they will?

You may all predict the score Ness and Mega Man get on Day Seven.

You may now rate how likely Peach and Starfy are. The poll ends at 7:50 PM CST tomorrow and I will analyze both chances tomorrow afternoon as I have to get up very early for work.

 

[Alien Vision]

Cheap - 100% (Want) Come on, if Mario is 100%, she HAS to stay in to keep things in perspective.

Starfy - 70% (Very Possible) This guy is badass. I want him in the game. I cannot imagine how much he would rival Mario in true combos. He has all the potential he needs to build a moveset.

Veterans - Lucario x8999

NC - Rayman x 5

 

[Barbasol]

Peach - 97%

Starfy- 77%: One of the few major series mains currently left out of Smash Bros, and with the friendly star's recent rise in western popularity, he seems to be a shoe-in for a new character. Want- 4

Veteran Nominations
Olimar x5

Newcomer Nominations
x3 Andy
x2 Team Rocket, just for curiosities sake...

Predicting a 74% for Megaman

 

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Peach - 96%

Starfy - 72% (major series, deserving, but being an AT and despite having come West I don't think he is that known or popular just yet)

 

[Shorts]

Okay,

Peach gets a 100% because she isn't going anywhere. End of story, goodbye. She is argueably more important than Weegee himself. She gets a five out of five in deserving.

Starfy is bit more tricky. I'm going to give him a 60%. As you know, I tend to try and stay as cautious as possible. He is a popular character, and while he may have not have normal limbs, he still can fight. That being said, he has some contenders. Little Mac, and Tom Nook are as, and possibly more popular than him. He is a five out of five in deserving. There is no reason IMO that should stop Stary from popping into Smash.

I'm going to vote Megaman gets a 80%

My votes for vets go: Sheik x3 and Pikachu x2

Newcomers: I guess I'll stop adding new people. Mii's x2 Deoxys x2 and Jill Valentine.

 

[Kantrip]

Peach - 100%
Starfy - 75%

Megaman will get a 69% I think.

5 votes DK
5 votes Dixie

 

[Berserker.]

Peach - 100%
Starfy - 60%

 

[OmegaXXII]

Alright guys, today I will be rating both Starfy and Peach, I can't wait....

Peach: (100%) Probable

Alright, considering Peach is the main character that Mario has to be saving in most of his games, plus her being the second most important character in the franchise, there's no doubt that Peach will be in Smash 4, but maybe this time around with a modified moveset excluding Toad if he were to become playable.

Verdict: Deserving

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Starfy: (44.99%) Marginal

Okay, first off I am a bit unfamiliar with the Starfy character, but I will rate based on what I learned.

Starfy is indeed a Nintendo character that has had quite some titles for some time as well as a good history with them, buy the problem with Starfy is that he really isn't as popular as Bowser Jr. Or Little Mac for example, based on fan demand I don't think it helps his chances alot, besides Starfy is an ackward looking character, what does it mean? It means that Sakurai might come up with moveset complications, not saying that Starfy doesn't have potential as he clearly does, but Sakurai has shown this with Balloon Fighter being removed from Melee, despite fans making some good movesets for him.

Overall I believe Starfy has potential and is a popular character and is somewhat demanded, but in the end AT characters like Little Mac, Ray MK, Or even Shadow would make much more sense as characters seeing that they are all popular and make better sense as character rather than an ackward looking character, his demand is good but just isn't big enough to be highly considered.

Verdict: Marginal

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to reserve this for after work (I have to go in thirty minutes, will do my analysis around 3:00 PM CST).

 

[Lightosia]

Copying my format...

Peach

There is no reason to remove her, since she was planned since Smash 64.

100% 5-deserving

Starfy

Brawl did a good job to him. He has finally appeared outside Japan!
A really deserving character, from a cool series (I've even played some of his japanese games).
Moveset? Spin, spin, spin. He can glide too.
The only problem I see he has is Sakurai, as you can see here:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist13.html

"Sometimes you may wonder "Stafy, why did you even come here?!" But that’s part of his charm."
76% 5-deserving

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Nominate (Veterans):
Lucas (x5)

Nominate (Newcomers):
Phoenix Wright (x2)
Zoroark (x3)
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Megaman-75%

 

[Hoots]

Peach is 100% obviously.

Starfy is an amazing character who would add a ton of uniqueness and personality to Smash. His moveset potential is HUGE and he was practically made to be in Smash. Then again, Sakurai is literally insane, so who knows.
70% - 5

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Peach: 99 %

Of course she'll be in. No comments. Sakurai didn't bother to make her little more better based on Super Princess Peach, so why bother asking?

To me she's Neutral. (3) (Zelda though is still more awesome than Peach.)

Stafy: 80%

First of all, I've noticed that after Brawl and even more notably after his first international game release Stafy 5, he's becomed more popular than back in pre-Brawl days. From the time of 2007 when I've played Stafy 3, I've been waiting for him to appear in SSBB as a playable, but no, he was just an Assist Trophy, but even worse was that he was weak and could be punished. I took that as an insult from Sakurai- maybe he thought that Kirby was much better than Stafy?
Though now I'm sure than Sakurai might now consider him, as so far the new franchises hasn't much been done these days after Brawl's release: as we know, Densetsu No Stafy/Legendary Starfy is being quite majorly established on series, and I'm sure it will come back in some form.

He seems to have a moveset potential at least in specials, but the standard moves might be little problematic, and might end being uninteresting.
Sakurai also might just cut Stafy out in fear of him giving Kirby competition.
But he would be fun, and quite unique to see in. (-lvl-)b

But I really, REALLY am waiting him... I've waited so far for over 4 years. (-i-i-)
But now that he's gotten (for me, very suprisedly) LOTS of support and fame, I'm sure he's going to make it now.

Stafy's of course Deserving (5)!

Go Stafy, Go!!!!!

Predicting Ness to get something along with 20%, and Megaman getting 87%.

Nominating:

Newcomers:

3x Vaati
2x Bomberman

Veterans:

2x Mr Game & Watch
1x Diddy Kong
1x Pit

 

[JavaCroc]

Peach: 98%

Peach isn't going anywhere. She's one of the four essential Mario characters (the others being Mario, Luigi, and Bowser). That 3% left is if either Sakurai overhauls the roster or puts Rosalina in instead of Peach - both which will never happen, but could.

I rate Peach as Deserving (5).

Starfy: 65%

Starfy has had one big bonus to his Smash Bros. potential since Brawl; his franchise has finally reached North American shores, which increases his popularity, relevance, and chances. The only drawbacks holding back Starfy is both Sakurai's supposed dislike against Starfy and his unpredictability and the exclusiveness of his games to handheld consoles when all of the characters in Brawl have appeared on consoles in some form.

I rate Starfy as Deserving (5).

My nominations:
Veterans
Falco x2
Toon Link x2
R.O.B. x1

Newcomers
Tetris Block x2
Jiro x2
Captain Syrup x1

 

[Deleted member]

Peach:

Was a starter in Melee and Brawl. Guarantee to keep her position.

100%

Starfy:

There are more to Starfy then just a star. As others have mentioned, he has the potential to be an incredibly unique player with the way he plays. After the way Sakurai treated him as an Assist Trophy, he should make that up by giving up a playable position. He is Deserving.

The question is will Sakurai put Starfy in the game. That remains to be seen, but I will agree that Starfy has a good shot of being in SSB4. His latest games, despite being the worst selling in Japan, went oversea and met with success with half a million in North America so far. That means that Starfy is relevant to the gaming world. It is also a successful franchise in Japan as well, not to mention one with high quality. It also helps that he is an Assist Trophy, thought not as much as other Assist Trophies with moves, but it still is enough to push him into the likely territory.

The main problem that could keep Starfy off of SSB4 has also to do with his Assist Trophy status. The way he was treated Starfy was very insulting, being the only one that you could damage and KO, which makes Starfy practically useless. It also doesn't help that in the DOJO, Starfy was called a weakling, which could show that Sakurai has no idea of his fighting potentials and as such, could easily overlook him. He's also not really that popular for requests, which hurts him even more.

Hopefully, with him having a large move set potentials, relevant, popular, and important to Nintendo's gaming industry in Japan, Starfy can overcome Sakurai's biasness and become playable.

75%

Nominations (Newcomers) (I have ten nominations here due to being the closest to predicting Professor Layton's overall score, forgot to announce that):

Ray (Custom Robo) (x1)
Victini (x1)
Saki Amamiya (x1)
Medusa (x1)
Takamaru (x1)
Paper Mario (x1)
Isaac (x1)
Krystal (x1)
Ryu Hayabusa (x1)
Bowsre Jr. (x1)

Nominations (Veterans):
Pikachu (x5)

For Ness, I predict 91.27%. For Mega Man, I predict 71.22%

 

[OmegaXXII]

Alright, now I'm going to nominate both veterans as well as newcomers for today:

Veterans:

•Pikachu (2x)
•Ike (1x)
•Zelda (1x)
•Marth (1x)

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Newcomers:

•The Black Knight (2x)
•Caeda (1x)
•Ryu (2x)

Alright, as for the likelyness of Megaman's result here it is: (86%)

As for Ness... 95%

Also I can't wait for tomorrow's poll concerning Megaman, I know SSBFan can't. xD

 

[TBone06]

Peach - 100% no reason for her to leave.

Starfy - 50% he clearly has a chance as he was an AT in the other game, but I just don't personally think they will add him. He's got popularity and everything, but Sakurai really chinced out on him in Brawl

5 nominations for Captain Falcon
5 nominations for Geno