Bobmeister
Smash Rookie
Um, yeah, but she is stunned and has uber lag and can't move hardly at all after using it.
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Recovery Tier List (Updated 1-5-07)
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Bobmeister
Smash Rookie
Lame. I think Samus should have stayed under Jiggly. Mewtwo doesnt deserve the spot.
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Dude seriously, STFU.
Jiggz obviously is an exception, she has 5.
Yoshi sucks cuz he has no 3 rd jump.
And wtf @ the others.
Peeze
Smash Master
Ganondorf is suprisingly higher than i thought.
Why is he above Falcon?
Falcon has the better recovery of the two...doesn't he?
Why is he above Falcon?
Falcon has the better recovery of the two...doesn't he?
TyrantWolf
Smash Lord
Falcon is heavier, has a longer range BDown. From my understanding that's what makes him lower than Ganon. While Ganon is lighter and quicker BDown recovery to the 2nd jump.
Makes sense to me.
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Ganon is too low IMO.
mcc
Smash Ace
weight doesn't have anything to do with it
Elemennopee
Smash Journeyman
So no body is going to say anything about the reasons why i think Mario's position should be slightly higher up the tier list and why Bowser should go down?
plasmawisp6633
Smash Journeyman
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now, i can understand landing lag and all that stuff, but why is Roy the bottom tier? He's got a decent recovery, better then a handful of characters in my opinion.
Xx GuNz xX
Smash Journeyman
mcc
Smash Ace
staying power doesn't really have an effect on recovery. the judging starts when you're off the stage until you get back, so weight may play a very small role in case you get hit while trying to recover, but when that happens, you're usually dead anyways
mood4food77
Smash Hero
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ganon should be way higher, i remember me and stripesorbars made a recovery tier list, we had him all the way up like in 4th because he survives just as well as samus does, even when being edgegaurded, and if samus can get edgegaurded fairly easily, all one person has to do is run off the ledge and hit a bomb and make it back to the stage, or use a move that can reach a bomb, it messes up her timing greatly and she can rarely make it back to the stage (FD is the exception, the bottom of the stage is freaking huge which greatly helps characters recovery, like fox)
you have fox, link, ICs, kirby, sheik, y. link, and zelda all above ganon, since when do they live as long as ganon, and all but the ICs and sheik are just as easy to edgegaurd as ganon, if not easier, and also, ganon has the lowest hit lag (time from being hit to being able to move again) in the game, anyone notice why it sometimes takes 6 shine spikes to kill him, and sometimes he'll still make it back if the fox didn't ledgehog (yes, i've been hit by 6 and still made it back), and also, his up b has the priority of a grab (don't argue this, it's a fact, you can hit him out of the grabbing range, just like a normal grab) so it can go through anything if possible, and if it does hit, he'll send the opponent away, sometiems into the stage for a stage spike, and he can use his up b again and make it back to the stage before the opponent recovers, and if the opponent stage techs, he's gonna get hit but most likely not down, most likely towards the stage (only falco and DK have shots at sending him down but both those spikes are meteors so he can cancel them), out of that entire list of characters you've listed above ganon, only ICs deserve to be higher
ICs recovery is great, the belay deals a lot of damage for an up b (something like 16), it has insane priority, and it's the best vertical recovery move in the game (distance wise), also their forward b, can go just has high vertically but the same distance horizontally (what i mean is however high the forward b can go, it can travel the same distance horizontally), and it has a higher chance of both ICs making it back, when alone, the up b is useless so it's up to the forward b, which may have about the same great vertical recovery of bowser's fotress, but it still has amazing horizontal recovery, more than almost every character in the game, and their air dodge is one of the best for recovering, and i'm pretty sure that fox and link are much easier to edgegaurd that the ICs, much much much easier
g&w should be right under ICs, his up b has almost as much priority as theirs and it goes only like 2 cm shorter than it does vertically, and he has GOD HANDS, yes the most annoying thing that doc, mario, ness, and g&w possess, they seem to be able grab from anywhere, and he's one of the hardest characters to edgegaurd in the game, harder than the ICs, out of all the characters above him, only sheik and DK are harder to edgegaurd
ness should be right under marth, he has much better recovery than anyone inbetween him and marth (besides g&w who should be much higher as i said above)
bottom, falcon should move to the top with mario under him then falco, doc, roy
sheik and kirby are way too high
kirby's recovery is took a big hit, he starts to fall before his jump in finished
sheik's recovery is pretty pathetic, zelda has better recovery than her, sheik has the worst horizontal recovery in the game, her jump is about as vertical as falco's and the ICs' jump, but her up b goes about as far zelda's 2nd jump horizontally, and vertically it's only average at most, and it can't ride the stage while everyone below her but zelda can, and she has a pretty pathetic ledge grab range, yes her up b stops any attack coming at her, but since most sheik's grab the ledge while recovering (since her on the stage lag is horrible, wow sheik and lag in the same sentence...that's not normal) so she's most likely gonna die
everyone else's placements are good
you have fox, link, ICs, kirby, sheik, y. link, and zelda all above ganon, since when do they live as long as ganon, and all but the ICs and sheik are just as easy to edgegaurd as ganon, if not easier, and also, ganon has the lowest hit lag (time from being hit to being able to move again) in the game, anyone notice why it sometimes takes 6 shine spikes to kill him, and sometimes he'll still make it back if the fox didn't ledgehog (yes, i've been hit by 6 and still made it back), and also, his up b has the priority of a grab (don't argue this, it's a fact, you can hit him out of the grabbing range, just like a normal grab) so it can go through anything if possible, and if it does hit, he'll send the opponent away, sometiems into the stage for a stage spike, and he can use his up b again and make it back to the stage before the opponent recovers, and if the opponent stage techs, he's gonna get hit but most likely not down, most likely towards the stage (only falco and DK have shots at sending him down but both those spikes are meteors so he can cancel them), out of that entire list of characters you've listed above ganon, only ICs deserve to be higher
ICs recovery is great, the belay deals a lot of damage for an up b (something like 16), it has insane priority, and it's the best vertical recovery move in the game (distance wise), also their forward b, can go just has high vertically but the same distance horizontally (what i mean is however high the forward b can go, it can travel the same distance horizontally), and it has a higher chance of both ICs making it back, when alone, the up b is useless so it's up to the forward b, which may have about the same great vertical recovery of bowser's fotress, but it still has amazing horizontal recovery, more than almost every character in the game, and their air dodge is one of the best for recovering, and i'm pretty sure that fox and link are much easier to edgegaurd that the ICs, much much much easier
g&w should be right under ICs, his up b has almost as much priority as theirs and it goes only like 2 cm shorter than it does vertically, and he has GOD HANDS, yes the most annoying thing that doc, mario, ness, and g&w possess, they seem to be able grab from anywhere, and he's one of the hardest characters to edgegaurd in the game, harder than the ICs, out of all the characters above him, only sheik and DK are harder to edgegaurd
ness should be right under marth, he has much better recovery than anyone inbetween him and marth (besides g&w who should be much higher as i said above)
bottom, falcon should move to the top with mario under him then falco, doc, roy
sheik and kirby are way too high
kirby's recovery is took a big hit, he starts to fall before his jump in finished
sheik's recovery is pretty pathetic, zelda has better recovery than her, sheik has the worst horizontal recovery in the game, her jump is about as vertical as falco's and the ICs' jump, but her up b goes about as far zelda's 2nd jump horizontally, and vertically it's only average at most, and it can't ride the stage while everyone below her but zelda can, and she has a pretty pathetic ledge grab range, yes her up b stops any attack coming at her, but since most sheik's grab the ledge while recovering (since her on the stage lag is horrible, wow sheik and lag in the same sentence...that's not normal) so she's most likely gonna die
everyone else's placements are good
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
No the list should be
Top
Jiggs
Samus
Mew2
High
Peach
Pichu
Pika
Ganon or Fox
Not having Peach in the top 4 is stupid and ignorant.
Top
Jiggs
Samus
Mew2
High
Peach
Pichu
Pika
Ganon or Fox
Not having Peach in the top 4 is stupid and ignorant.
nitro-blazer
Smash Lord
Kirby can make it back to the stage from almost any distance. He's still one of the easiest characters to edgegaurd. He should be LOWER on the list because of this.
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
There. Someone agreed with me on where Ness should be. Near Yoshi, or as M4F said, under Marth. Will you bump him up now? Dont make me bring out my wall of text!
mood4food77
Smash Hero
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like i did for ICs ganon and g&w
thesage
Smash Hero
Why is Ness so low. The only people who can really give him trouble when he is recovering are Kirby and Jiggs, since they can eat his thunder, which with enough skill can be nullified.
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
His recovery certainly is not the best, but should not be bottom.
Pros
Long range
Any direction
Easy and quick sweetspots
PKTB
Large sweetspot range
Priority
Invincibility
Unique sloping
Cons
Eaten thunder
Hard to aim
Takes time to use
Area of work needed
Land laggy
Pros
Long range
Any direction
Easy and quick sweetspots
PKTB
Large sweetspot range
Priority
Invincibility
Unique sloping
Cons
Eaten thunder
Hard to aim
Takes time to use
Area of work needed
Land laggy
MetalLuigi1209
Smash Ace
Wow, I expected Bowser to be down a little lower
mcc
Smash Ace
hard to aim shouldn't be a con
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
...
Alright then
Alright then
Elemennopee
Smash Journeyman
Bowser should be lower.
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
Yes we can all just about agree on that.
Elemennopee
Smash Journeyman
Yes we can. B-will, please move Bowser down, and move Mario up slightly. I wrote the same message three times in this thread why Mario should go up slightly and Bowser should drop down.
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
And Ness up please -_-
I disagree, M2's recovery is amazing and not stage dependant, this is false for samus. M2 can also recover high since his recovery is no where near as predictable as Samus's, with sam you always want to be near the edge when you recover.
Peach verus the chu's again they are better in more situations, yeah peach can recover from anywhere if she doesn't og off the side but this is also true for the chu's even if the are spiked if the recover before the hit the bottom they still have a high chance of getting to the edge of even back on the stage completely, they are also way harder to edge gaurd. if peach wants to sweet spot she has to move above the stage to do so, that isn't true for the chu's
With both pichu and M2 (I don't play pika much =/) instead of DI I need to tech attckas if I want to live through then at higher percents sice they are so light and floaty, this normally puts me in the bottom corners, but I can actually do this and still expect to return to the stage this isn't always true with peach or samus (which is gay... it should work with samus but I can never catch my bomb since I move so fast I keep momentum even after switching to bomb form... but thats not the point.) My point is the people around the top are pretty acurate. Peach has amazing recovery potential, the chu's are just better they offer more options in every situation. The same goes for samus and M2...
heh...yeah i'll make the changes that have been suggested soon. been busy lately and havent had the time to filter through every suggestion yet. expected a revised list soon.
falcosmassacre01
Smash Journeyman
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wow my 2 characters are so low on the list gues who they are(sig)
Zero34
Smash Lord
...who made this list?
is this made just based on how far you can recover or REALISTICALLY how good someone is getting back to the stage?
is this made just based on how far you can recover or REALISTICALLY how good someone is getting back to the stage?
mcc
Smash Ace
realistically how good someone is at getting back to the stage
Airo
Smash Lord
made by B-Will
all hail B-Will for his lovely contributions
all hail B-Will for his lovely contributions
Elemennopee
Smash Journeyman
Why is Yoshi above Marth and Zelda below Sheik?
Anyways, this is what the bottom part of the list should look like.
Low Tier
--16. Marth
--17. Donkey Kong
--18. Game and Watch
--19. Luigi
--20. Mario
--21. Ness
Bottom Tier
--22. Bowser
--23. Falco
--24. Captain Falcon
--25. Doctor Mario (26)
--26. Roy (25)
Anyways, this is what the bottom part of the list should look like.
Low Tier
--16. Marth
--17. Donkey Kong
--18. Game and Watch
--19. Luigi
--20. Mario
--21. Ness
Bottom Tier
--22. Bowser
--23. Falco
--24. Captain Falcon
--25. Doctor Mario (26)
--26. Roy (25)
marthsword
Smash Ace
Two questions her.
1. Is falling speed a factor?
2. Is weight a factor?
1. Is falling speed a factor?
2. Is weight a factor?
mcc
Smash Ace
falling speed is. weight isn't really a factor
marthsword
Smash Ace
Alright, thank you. That makes sense why roy is so far behind marth, after < b he falls a good distance, wheras marth does not.
I think weight should be.
I think weight should be.
Elemennopee
Smash Journeyman
Fox is lighter than Bowser, yet he falls faster. Bowser is heavier, but he falls slowlier.
Jigglypuff is light and easy to KO, yet he has an outstanding recovery, while Bowser is heavier, he has a horrible recovery (good used as an attack though).
So it shouldn't be a factor.
Jigglypuff is light and easy to KO, yet he has an outstanding recovery, while Bowser is heavier, he has a horrible recovery (good used as an attack though).
So it shouldn't be a factor.
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