Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[DrewB008]

welcome to learning to play falcon

eventually you'll start to recognize patterns in their teching habits, and youll understand which way youll want to punish the different ways they might tech/not tech

it really is mostly a guessing game though, start practicing

 

[Hax]

i claim this thread

 

[Ja]

Is there any stage where CF waveland/jump at the start of the match? I got this idea from a ganon thread.

 

[Scar]

Yeah just keep practicing and you'll learn. Also if people get-up attack predictably run up to them and double jump, don't fastfall. You should be in the air long enough to completely avoid the attack, and you can come down with an aerial or also probably just fall and grab.

Either that or rush in and shield on top of them, if they getup attack you'll shield it and you can grab them.. except Falcon's grab range blows so you might whiff.

 

[DrewB008]

i think you need to be 3rd or 4th player to do that ryzol

i know you can drop through platforms on bf right off the bat if youre 3rd player, never tried wavelanding

 

[Scar]

And CF is so fast on the ground I think it would be a better idea to just land and run.

 

[TheHiveMind]

yea i just dont get to play enough skilled players these days, kind of the reason for my lack of success :/

 

[Ja]

Why don't pro CFs don't light shield vs spacies? Theorywise it would seem that being pushed further away would help with shield pressure, and not being able to sg wouldn't matter that much because good spacies are rarely shield grabbed anyways.

Also what are good ways to use ccing? I really have no idea how to use it with cf.

 

[DrewB008]

i cc basically all the time if im in the lag of a move, you can try cc grab on people but it doesnt work a lot of the time because his grab range isnt too huge, pretty good in cf dittos when they fly at you with nair though

crouch canceling fox's nair lets you shield before the shine comes out, thats useful

cc dtilt works pretty good sometimes on marth/sheik

you just gotta get a feel for it mostly, anytime you know youre gonna get hit by a not too strong attack you should do it pretty much

jiano cc's get up attacks then runs in and grabs

and about light shield, falcon gets a lot of stuff by punishing people out of his own shield is one reason, but i dunno light shielding would probably be pretty good ive never really tried it before

 

[Scar]

Yeah light shielding sounds like a good idea vs spacies, I'm not exactly sure what the light shield mechanics are but I'll try using it more.

 

[soap]

light shielding has more shield stun

this outweighs any spacing benefits imo in most cases

u get pushed farther away but they can just run up and hit u again

 

[Scar]

Don't light shields take more damage than heavy shielding per hit, too?

 

[Mogwai]

yes, they degrade faster from being attacked.

 

[aquteen]

you can stand on a platform and light shield when you opponent comes back from a stock loss. Thats pretty much the only use I can see for it with falcon.

 

[soap]

or u can run away. being fast and all

 

[ratchet]

2nd

Hi Scar,

Do you have a secondary? Not everyone can be leet enough to take on a defensive sheik or lazy falco, and I was wondering if you have any recommendations as to a good counterpick. I started this game with Samus, but have been playing exclusively falcon for a long time now. I find myself frustrated with certain matchups, but my falcon style of play is too aggresive to be applied to other characters (plus they all suck). I've been toying with gannon and samus, but nothing serious. What do you think? Just say **** everyone else and get better at falcon or what?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

get better at falcon. you can win!

 

[DrewB008]

i actually switch characters a lot, but better falcons than me usually dont

ganon and samus arent gonna do the trick though

 

[pockyD]

ganon and samus have like no good matchups

ok, so ganon can CG sheik

 

[JonaDiaper]

i say you pick up falco

 

[Mogwai]

pick up Fox...

then drop Falcon since he's not really any better at any matchups

 

[JonaDiaper]

i dont think thats true.. hes better vs marth and stuff

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Maybe on FD. Otherwise.... not so much.

 

[Mogwai]

i dont think thats true.. hes better vs marth and stuff

Very slightly and it's debatable if the Marth plays gay enough.

And in reality, he's definitely better vs. Samus.

But that's about it

 

[JonaDiaper]

i think hes better vs like the marios and luigi....and some other people you might encounter. that arent like the top/highs

also vs peach

 

[Mogwai]

na son, Fox ***** people lower than Samus.

na son, Fox ***** peach.

EDIT: ****it, thinking about Fox's matchups makes me wish I played Fox

 

[DrewB008]

any matchup where people think falcon does better than fox only seems that way because so many people play fox poorly and get chain grabbed by low tiers

fox vs samus is pretty easy for fox, people just dont know how to do it and they spam nair and die

 

[JonaDiaper]

falcon ***** peach harder, and ***** peoples lower then samus harder's except maybe a good dk

also fox is easy and gay....almost like sheik....when it comes to ease of use i think fox is numba 2 next to sheik, then marth.

anyways everyone uses fox..and marth..screw them they have a freakin 9.9 damit

 

[pockyD]

fox is much easier than sheik to play at a high level

 

[JonaDiaper]

really? i would think because of the tech skill involved in playing fox, if you use it, make him tougherrr cuz sheik is like slap, breakdance slap

 

[Mogwai]

well, that's the thing. tech skill takes you a really long way with Fox. you have to think a lot with sheik.

 

[JonaDiaper]

oh werd wen i first played the game when it cam out i was like 8 and spammed up smash

 

[DrewB008]

falcon doesnt **** peach at all really, i mean just think about the matchup its clearly about even. fox has a much easier time

and yeah everybody can do the required tech with fox, anything beyond the easy stuff is pretty much just flash

 

[DtJ Jungle]

sheiks all about the mindgames....into a fair :D

 

[Mogwai]

comboing into fair is hard. only every single one of her moves combos into fair.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

its so ridiculosuly hard...choosing which one to use!??!?!?


i dont even know man.

 

[JonaDiaper]

thing with falcon is, falcon doesnt combo into a fair, he combos into the knee lmao

 

[Mogwai]

in all seriousness though, I completely agree with Pocky.

you can watch videos of Foxes and see what they're doing and then just try to do that and you'll do pretty well. with sheik, I dunno, I find what she's doing a lot less tangible and thus harder to practice. like, getting all her tech is easy, but after that, getting better is really really hard.

 

[JonaDiaper]

just watch drephen and remember that whatever move you were thinking of doing, throw it out the window and dsmash

 

[DtJ Jungle]

regardless..sheik requires alot more thinking since her game is based on reaction and predictino more than attack attack attack.


edit: and not tech skill...making her different from fox, falco...