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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
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Fortress | Sveet
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i think you can test it in training mode 1/4 speed just do it as fast as you can. its really not that much harder than moonwalking.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
Thanks, I was playing pretty well in those matches. It's a shame I'm extremely inconsistent.
Well, you're a Falco main on the Falcon boards!thanks thumbs, that was the joke
I got nothing else
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Wait.. he said everyone except for M2k.. I think you all get a facepalm lol.
But I know the frames on wake up when you try to roll from the ledge or get up attack, etc. I mean I know when to attack him inside the invisibility frames to hit you. But that's all I know.
But I know the frames on wake up when you try to roll from the ledge or get up attack, etc. I mean I know when to attack him inside the invisibility frames to hit you. But that's all I know.
pockyD
Smash Legend
it's not important to "know" frames, but frames are important to analyze what works and doesn't
after you know whether it works or not and/or is faster or not, you can forget the numbers
after you know whether it works or not and/or is faster or not, you can forget the numbers
yea but your talking about what would work
"theoretically" you can right stuff on paper and whatever but no one can be frame perfect like that
i mean i understand you dont have to be frame perfect and your probably not talking about that
but if you dont wanna be frame perfect then you shouldnt even care about frames
i guess you could use frames to find out what windows there are to do certain things
but if theres even the smallest window you just get the feeling of it
like swd'ing i can do that ish just from remembering the feeling and what samus looks like when i gotta do it
idk frames are lame
"theoretically" you can right stuff on paper and whatever but no one can be frame perfect like that
i mean i understand you dont have to be frame perfect and your probably not talking about that
but if you dont wanna be frame perfect then you shouldnt even care about frames
i guess you could use frames to find out what windows there are to do certain things
but if theres even the smallest window you just get the feeling of it
like swd'ing i can do that ish just from remembering the feeling and what samus looks like when i gotta do it
idk frames are lame
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did he just say "right stuff on paper"?
what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuck
what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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how am i supposed to take the rest of your post at face value when you can't even write? you right instead 
wow you obviously understand what im saying
freaking lame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9_kahA_wQo
thats you
lame soo lame
freaking lame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9_kahA_wQo
thats you
lame soo lame
Meneks
Smash Lord
Dayuuuuuuumhow am i supposed to take the rest of your post at face value when you can't even write? you right instead
Jona, it goes something like this
Mogwai plays some friendlies with Swiftbass
Swift attacks Mogwai's shield with Fox's nair and then shine a lot
Mogwai always tries to shine OoS after the nair and never hits
Mogwai goes "hmm..... I wonder if it's possible to shine OoS vs. Fox's nair shine"
Mogwai looks up frame data...
Oh ****, frame perfect nair -> shine >>> shine OoS
Mogwai no longer tries this cause it doesn't work.
Mogwai plays some friendlies with Swiftbass
Swift attacks Mogwai's shield with Fox's nair and then shine a lot
Mogwai always tries to shine OoS after the nair and never hits
Mogwai goes "hmm..... I wonder if it's possible to shine OoS vs. Fox's nair shine"
Mogwai looks up frame data...
Oh ****, frame perfect nair -> shine >>> shine OoS
Mogwai no longer tries this cause it doesn't work.
pockyD
Smash Legend
you are one of the worst posters on smashboards so i only read the first two lines
1) if something doesn't succeed even if done frame perfectly, you can know to stop trying
2) while it's extremely difficult to be frame perfect on things, you can remember that it goes both ways; If someone has a 0-frame window to shield grab you, then it's not like you will get grabbed for sure if you mess up by one frame; they would have to be frame perfect in that case to get the grab
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
I just look at moonwalks as dashing backwards. Sometimes when Im just trying to moonwalk I mess up but when Im trying to get somewhere I almost never have a problem.
g-regulate
Smash Hero
kinda like how fox can frame perfectly shine you across and off the stage to death. i do/see that all the time in the fox/falcon matchup
iamthemicrowave
Smash Master
kels did that to me in a teams match...it was some shined blind shiz
g-regulate
Smash Hero
its terribly easy to do once you have respectable space animal tech skill, just gotta get that opening
waveshine =/= death... you just hold towards the stage and when the shine would send you off stage, you just grab the ledge and voila, you're not dead and the Fox player is sad that they didn't just usmash or grab you out of one of his shines so that he could've done more consequential damage. I mean, sure, if Fox players were all like Cactuar when their opponent was holding the ledge, putting you on the ledge and killing you would be the same thing and it would be a fair point, but thankfully, that's not what it's like in reality.
iamthemicrowave
Smash Master
speaking of shine DI, darkrain is amazing. Every time he get shined off the stage he magically grabs the ledge. I have also seen him buffer rolls to escape waveshines from very technical players(kels/jman).
Yeah. Ledge = automatic 0-death combo. A slow 0-death combo. Involving you getting kicked back onto the ledge 987348923 times.
This game is gay.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
man every time someone says 'cactuar' in any thread he pops up with a post
someone's a fan of name searches huh?
someone's a fan of name searches huh?
Tomacawk
Smash Master
i enjoy it, he always responds to anything directed towards him pretty quickly
and he's a pretty cool guy/cactus
and he's a pretty cool guy/cactus
iamthemicrowave
Smash Master
half man half cactus?
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I would have to agree.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
dairaga at the catuar!!!
Tomacawk
Smash Master
cactuar is like, half man half cactus
btw cactuar have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15tnqRGz9OA
btw cactuar have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15tnqRGz9OA
Meneks
Smash Lord
**** the police comin straight from the underground
Fortress | Sveet
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i would like to bid 27 pasos on the saxophone lesbian
`DNS`
Smash Lord
Nah, Cactuar is gay. He just hits you over and over.
demodemo
Smash Ace
alright guys, something i have been having trouble with
say i follow up a forward b with upsmash
what is a good way to follow up after the usmash instead of just kneeing?
say i follow up a forward b with upsmash
what is a good way to follow up after the usmash instead of just kneeing?
JPOBS
Smash Hero
why would you do anything "instead of" kneeing?
time not spent kneeing....is better spent kneeing.
im 99.9% sure you cant roll buffer out of a waveshine unless the fox messes up
chize
Smash Apprentice
one time i was doing a falcon ditto with proverbs and he didnt DI when i did an upsmash so i did another one
the full combo was uair>upsmash>upsmash>knee>taunt>knee
it was pretty epic, pretty much the best combo thats ever been done ever and thats not a hyperbole or an exaggeration at all
btw it was recorded
the full combo was uair>upsmash>upsmash>knee>taunt>knee
it was pretty epic, pretty much the best combo thats ever been done ever and thats not a hyperbole or an exaggeration at all
btw it was recorded
exactly is such a ******** combo its so easy and yet people go
WOOO
when it hits.
there really isnt much you cant do anyways
i mean it depends what percent theyre at
you can dair them and hope they miss they tech
and idk tech chase or something
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this is such a true comment. everyone jokes about it but its so right. knee has insane priority and spam-ability. unless you need to nair for the distance/double hitbox (usually vs fox or marth) knee and uair are really all you need. just keep kneeing them; you can finish with edge guard (ledgehop reverse knee imo)
Cosmo!
nerf zelda's dsmash
nes n00b has convinced me that properly timing falcon's uair all day is too good
NES n00b
Smash Master
Divinokage
Smash Legend
What? Pretty sure it has **** priority, every moves beats knee lol.
SonuvaBeach
Smash Lord
About to say the same thing. The knee isn't safe at all to just throw out. Nair is. Everything beats knee - nair trades with almost everything.