Should Diddy Kong be banned from competitive Brawl?

[MK26]

damn dude your points are awesome

i hope the bbr takes a serious look at the stuff you're bringing up

 

[Tarmogoyf]

...don't ruin it

 

[Blacknight99923]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL at this thread

good **** BBR

 

[Abel1994]

wow i just saw this for the first time BY CHANCE. this should have a link to this thread be posted in every character board as hardly any1 comes in here and it is a MAJOR ISSUE.

here is why i am anti-ban.

so far the main arguements i see in the OP are he has infinites on everycharacter in the game, that items break competitive play, he has more national wins than MK, and that M2K says he should banned. so in order my responses are:

1. he has infinites on everycharacter in the game. however so do iceclimbers. while on can argue that these aren't on the same level since diddy can always pull out a banana but you can't get NANA back, that it's okay to ban diddy. however wouldn't it be better to just put tighter restrictions on all infinites instead of take a perfectly beatable character out of the game.

also before i continue i want to say that im against banning any character, so when i use that as an example, know that it is just an example.

also, it was pointed out that the fact that it takes tech skill out the wazoo shouldn't be taken into consideration. well then, has every1 forgotten that every character also has an infinite on diddy as well? it was proven that, while ridiculously hard to perform, every character can perform the footstool infinte or variations of it (i referance zss's infinite on him for this).

and on the note that diddy is unbeatable with 2 bananas on the field, i call bs. plenty characters have several options to deal with bananas. pit, falco, fox, wolf, all have reflectors which make banana play far more limited. also these characters (as can any other) can use bananas against diddy to their great advantage. since i main pit, ill use him for example. when pit has a banana, he can play keep away with it and diddy is then far limited as to being able to fight back. all i have to do is get 1 banana and i can effectively camp, comb, and kill him. i can even set up the infinite him out of glide toss since pit's glide toss is a natural dribble and if he isn't quick or rolls wrong, bam i can now infinite him. the ability to infinite diddy is one of the reasons he is not considered near bannable in japan. oh and just for referance MK has the easiest and most effective footstool lock as he can catch the banana with uair instead of z-catching.

2. items break competitive play. well wario can produce a bike and tires on command. these are indisputably items. also rob can produce the gyro, which again is indisputably an item, as are link and toon link's bombs. are we to say these characters should be banned because they have these items too? of course not. just because items are banned in general, character items have always been accepted as part of the game. plus, the arguement one item is more broken than another and thus should be banned is exactly like saying that one character is more broken than any other and should be banned. as we placed lgls to stop gay plank time outs, we could easily place an item hit limit to stop time outs. people need to learn to beat the item game on this character instead of just being lazy.

3. on the more wins at nationals than MK, may i remind you guys M2K was banned from that tourney? and didn't attend several other diddy won tourneys. just because diddy has a great ground control, this is like saying ban mk becaus of tornado and shuttle loop and no disadvantages, ban DDD's chaingrab because he gets to much free ground control damage, ban ice-climbers chaingrabs because it just takes one grab, or ban snake because he is just so broken. learn to deal with diddy. people complain because he is more obscure in many regions and new comers to him are overwhelmed due to lack of practice, that is all.

4. M2K said diddy is unbeatable with 2 bananas. if this was true, gnes or adhd would have won whobo recently. but they didn't. ally won USING METAKNIGHT AND SNAKE. thus that goes to show that metaknight and other characters are perfectly capable of beating diddy. don't let diddy's own brokeness make you forget that without diddy on the scene, we not only lose our dignity as smashers by banning a perfectly beatable character, we leave leave ourselves no counter character metaknight besides supposedly pika and falco.

lastly, on the whole diddy's best stages are neutrals, so? metaknight has no bad stages. the supposedly gay stages like RC and brinstar are not just there because of diddy. don't forget about iceclimbers, DDD, and falco. these stages are there to help fight them too. people complain that diddy's best stage is FD. well it's iceclimbers too. just make it your stage ban against them. personally as a pit main im fine with going against diddy at FD since i can out camp him and glide toss him into combos all the way accross the stage. and if my mid tier character can find a niche, just like mk or falco or any other characters that don't have a real problem fighting diddy, then the fact that this is being considered makes me lose faith in the smash community. i can guarentee that a lot of people will stop going to tourney's if this goes through as well.

trollnote: how is diddy being considered bannable over MK

(don't let the troll note fool you, the rest of this post is 100% serious)

HI Maharba <3


Anyways I say yea i hate how items are ban but bananas arnt... Like we dont trip enough when we brawl already! You cant put a limit to a banana because someone will always ignore it and got to the extreme and mess it up. Im surpise I never saw this thread until now because it finally showed me that I wasn't the only one who thought Diddy was a cheap character. FOR EXAMPLE:

I always play my friend who is not competitive in this game. We play a lot and I win 90% of the time but then he started to main diddy (doesn't use anything but Banana +grab +spam his smashes 24/7) and that me winning in a 90% changed to a 30% win.... it irritates me how little skill you need to use to actually kill people with diddy. He is not a skilled char but just annoying hearing that scream! The damn recovery is broken since it can FALLOW YOU AND BLOW YOU UP! But thats not what were talkin about is it... And also the only way I can beat him now is choose falco and reflect 24/7 and camp the hell while running away whenever I see a banana (I dont main falco or use him at all except when im pissed off and want to chain grab) The banana are just stupid in every way. Their ITEMS and shouldn't be even on diddy in the first place. All the stages like FD,SV,BF should be a EVEN STAGE FOR EVERYONE! But because of diddy he can do anything he wants which sucks!. I wish brawl hacks can be use in tourneys to give his banana to 1 per game instead of 2 because spamming 2 is just the worst thing you can do. I say MK is easier to beat then Diddy.


I wounder how long this is gonna last xD BBR TROLL FTW!

 

[CHOMPY]

Diddy's mix-up game is fricken good, it will throw your opponent through a loop. Playing against Diddy is like playing a game of which is the "real person", that's how good Diddy is. For example, Diddy is holding a banana in his hand, opponent expects Diddy to throw the banana, therefore puts up his shield. What does Diddy do? Side B to by pass the opponents shield and Diddy humps him. After that, your opponent will realize that putting up the shield is pointless and Diddy can freely toss the banana at the opponent and combo him to death.

Diddy's lgl game is just as good as Metaknights because you can toss the banana upwards, recatch it, and repeat over and over. Eventually, Diddy can toss the banana at the opponent after an immediate drop down - jump - toss banana. That's another example of how broken his mix-up game is.

I prey that this character get's banned for life

 

[Nike.]

I'm also praying for a ban x)

 

[Abel1994]

inb4prayingban

 

[chimpact]

Ban didhe kong hes 2 powerful!1!11

He can time you out with banana locks!!!! and infinite you!!!! and he can pull out TWO (2) ITEMS!!!!

 

[Shaky]

A diddy main wants diddy to be banned? We MUST do it.

 

[san.]

Diddy has scarred me for life that is why I was sent on a journey to eradicate all Diddy Kongs. You are next. You know who you are.

 

[Kantrip]

We should ban Ganondorf too. I killed a Jigglypuff in training mode at 0% with one hit.

 

[pass the syrup]

How about a compromise? Instead of banning Diddy Kong, set bananas to VERY HIGH on the item list for every competitve match. That way everyone has them!

 

[Shaya]

How about a compromise? Instead of banning Diddy Kong, set bananas to VERY HIGH on the item list for every competitve match. That way everyone has them!

I think this is fair, as long as diddy kong (and only diddy) gets a banana throw limit.

 

[CHOMPY]

I think this is fair, as long as diddy kong (and only diddy) gets a banana throw limit.

My only concern is what happens if someone uses Diddy and accidentally pulls out the banana. Then uses the banana without thinking, which can lead to issues. To make matters worse, what happens if the Diddy player tried to use a banana on a noob player when the noob player isn't aware about the Diddy ban rule?

 

[Chuee]

Diddy Kong also has the most broken up-b in the game. When some moves hit Diddy Kong while he's using his up-b the barrels fly off and fly around and hit you!
clearly brokn

 

[Epic Kovumon]

Ban Snake, he's got the longest ranged usmash in the history of Smash Bros.

 

[NeoBatou]

Wow I didn't think this would go this far...

How about we....

Use this energy to learn your match up against Diddy Kong....and it's not even that, I just think that the player just needs to learn how to read the Diddy Kong player. You can even use his items against him. I would think different if Diddy can only pickup banana's and other characters can't.

Your bound to use the practice anyways....if you spend time playing brawl competitively, learning how to deal with banana's shouldn't be too hard at all. We learn how to do this, do that, learn to tech correctly, DI/SDI practice, buffering, things of that nature......learning the MU shouldn't be that hard either.

But then again they present a valid argument..getting a banana infinite lock on you is pretty gay....but then again you have the IC's who can chain grab you to death for any character, so if we go about banning characters because of tactics like this then the Ice Climbers are next.

I'll leave the judgment to someone else. I personally don't see a problem against Diddy. Maybe that's because all the Diddy kong players I know and go against in tournament use the banana's for mind games, zoning applications..and not strictly to get you in the infinite?

 

[Dakpo]

look at the date this thread was posted....i still think this is an april fools joke..banning him before Mk would just be a ******** decision from the whole smash community

 

[KazeKun]

Lol i think so too, its a april fool xD

 

[Doc King]

Diddy Kong shouldn't be banned from competitive play. I means all you really have to do to beat him is play an air game so Diddy cant combo you with his bananas. Plus some characters can counter him like Rob.

 

[GimR]

I'm still angry we're even considering this

 

[fource]

Can I change my vote to pro-ban?

Diddy's dumb.

 

[z00ted]

Don't ban Diddy.

Just allow him to only pull (1) banana at a time. If he pulls (2), - automatic disqualification.

 

[DJ Arcatek]

I say we ban Diddy.

 

[Spelt]

Don't ban Diddy.

Just allow him to only pull (1) banana at a time. If he pulls (2), - automatic disqualification.

We should limit the amount of back airs he can use per match too.
And how much he can use shield too.
****'s broken.

 

[z00ted]

Don't forget about side b.

 

[Spelt]

Oh yeah.
He's not allowed to use side b's kick.

 

[WindMajor]

I'm still angry we're even considering this

More like I'm still angry that we're actually going to ban him.

 

[Rockstar]

Why ban Diddy? Thats ridiculous. Makes absolutely no sense because he's not even the highest on the tier list. And he's not even close to unbeatable. Getting around his bananas isnt hard. Just jump or shied. It's blantly obvious that he's going to use one because he can't use any moves besides throw when the bananas in his hand (despite specials). Besides, if he gets banned, then slowly all of the others could get banned one at a time, when people find them a reason of being "too good". Such as meta knights overly quick speed, or snakes overly powerful moveset.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Dear god how long will people manage to fall for this

 

[Shaya]

See I'm surprised (I don't believe) no one has pointed out the whole potential word play of

"For Straight Americans"
and
"Against Gay Terrorists"
and what these infere.

 

[NO-IDea]

It's not a joke. This is serious business. Vote now!

Yes (For, Straight, American)
No (Against, Gay, Terrorist)

Spoiler

rofllmaowhatajoke

I'm surprised too.

Also, "infere" or "infer?" Regardless, they're both wrong, although the latter is spelled correctly. You meant to use "imply."

 

[ElDominio]

I voted Anti-ban by mistake.

Diddy Kong stands as one of the gayest characters in the game. One of the top players in my region, Yubi, mains DDK, and he's gay. He ALWAYS ***** me with him, and I am a pretty woman-loving man with a bright future.
Diddy Kong's prescence in Brawl is just helping it be an even worse game than it already is.

Really, all he does is pull out his lame bananas and make me trip, even though I can sideB through them, this is very hard to do on human reaction time. All of the frame data we have on DDK shows that in the time that he pulls a banana and I go though it, I could have easily gone to the food stand at the venue and bought a Coke and a chili dog, but by keeping this broken piece of crap in the game, we have shown our intention to not help our friendly TO's make money off our hunger.
Is this the type of Brawl community you want? One where gay people can use gay characters and play gay while not helping fund the basic foundations of capitalism, which is trade?

That is not the kind of community I want to be a part of. I'm quitting Brawl until Diddy Kong is banned.

 

[AuraStUrm]

If this is actually for real, it could be the scrubbiest thing anyone here has ever tried to do.

 

[CHOMPY]

I noticed the poll ended. Does that mean Diddy is banned?

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Didn't reach 66%. Our metagame is ruined still...

 

[EpixAura]

Alright, since it's over, can we start laughing at those who took it seriously now?

As this WAS an actual poll, this actually counts as evidence to ban Diddy, if the context is omitted of course. I can't wait to see the future lulz this may lead to.

 

[Spelt]

so many gay terrorists on smashboards...

 

[WindMajor]

And some of those gay terrorists are moderators.

 

[ElDominio]

And some of those gay terrorists are moderators.

And some of those moderators terrorize gays