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Toon Link is a rough fight overall, but this problem in particular is pretty simple. When you are hit high in the air just DI to the edges and grab the ledge. He can't hit you with a U-air if you are on the stage. Just DI around it as much as you can when your thrown upward.
Wow, I'm glad someone in the Fox forums actually knows what they're talking about. Also, Snake's grenades are so useless against Fox. Snake pulls out a grenade, you shoot a few lasers to set it off in his hand or right as he's thrown it and you'll never need to worry about them. Fox landing a downsmash on Snake near the ledge is also brutal, since it sends him at a low trajectory Snake becomes an easy edgeguard for Fox at that point allowing him to kill Snake at even lower percents than even the upsmash (which is 108% for most neutrals btw). Snake's mortar is hurt by Fox as well since Fox can reflect the bomb after he's knocked up by the initial dash anyway. The only reason it isn't terrible for Snake is due to the fact he can net kills on Fox at around 80% and hurt Fox's recovery easily. I'm happy someone actually knows Fox match-ups.
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This thread needs to actually explain match-ups. I'm kind of disappointed it's stickied when is almost does not explain match-ups at all. I'm sorry, but this thread equates to "this is what I think of characters" and then say that it equates to Fox that way.
Seriously, let's look at this. I could replace the word "Fox" with just about any character the way this is written. This could apply to Marth, G&W, Metaknight, Peach. Whoever, it doesn't matter. This basically said "Bowser is big and slow (that means you can combo him!) Don't get hit by his strong attacks! He's big enough to combo at low percents! He has an over-B suicide (avoid it!). You can kill him easily when he's at high enough percents he wants to try and suicide!". I'm sorry. But this doesn't apply to Fox in any way. Almost none of the match-ups are actually explained as match-ups. They are nothing more than what orintemple thinks of the character. (LOL Bowser sucks and can't do anything! OMG Snake is so good! (Read the Snake match-up. It's a general explanation of Snake, not relating to how Fox needs to fight Snake or how Snake can fight Fox.))Bowser
Bowser is big, strong and mean… but he is SLOW. Take advantage of this. Some slow characters can put a fight even against Fox, but Bowser isn't one of them. His attacks shouldn't be taken lightly, but as long as you don't get hit you won't need to worry. He is also so big, that he has a hard time DIing out of your low % combos, so combo away. He can get you with his Bowsercide over-B easily when you have higher %s, but at that point it only benefits Bowser if he has a crazy amount of damage, which he shouldn't because you can u-smash kill him easily when he gets up there. 1/5
\but when bowser gets a hold of you, bye bye fox.
even with her tilt locks.. oh **** 
O_o Ummmmmmm....:Wario
Wario is a weird fight. He is a high-risk high-reward fighter, so make sure to dodge his attacks and you can rock him hard. His attacks have quick start-up but HUGE lag afterwards, allowing you to punish with ease. His f-air may be a slight annoyance due to his Jigglypuff-like air movement, but it isn't very strong, can't be used to combo, and can't be used for Wall of Pain since Wario only has two very sub-par jumps. When Wario blinks red, make sure to be on the defensive because his fully charged fart is crazy strong. Otherwise you should have this in the bag. 2.5/5
Pivoting and sliding shields help get around this very well. I've grabbed and punished many Kirby players by pivoting and baiting. Fox is still very fast, and you'll rarely find one that will sit around and wait for your approach. Fox's aerials, for the most part, also win in terms of priority, so smart SH Nairs and Dairs will at least clank, although usually override.
I haven't done any testing on this, so I can't confirm or deny it. But if Fox can shineDI out of Pikachu's chaingrab, then I hold Kirby's chain in question too. Someone will just have to run tests.
This is true. I have but one answer: Don't get hit. (Swallowed?)
Kirby isn't easy to edgeguard, but he isn't exactly difficult either. A well timed rising Fair from Fox will let him Double Jump Dair you most of the time, which Kirby has trouble outprioritizing. Take its pseudo-spike qualities and go from there.
Me neither, I would say it's 7-3.
I accept that pivoting and sliding shields can get around it. I am surprised that Fox's dair beats Kirby's bair, because Kirby would be hitting the top part of Fox's body, and it has deceptively long range.
I doubt it, because I don't think that Fox goes out of hitstun for the entire thing. He may be able to avoid the fsmash, in which case a Kirby player would use ftilt or swallow, doing nearly as much.
If you try to edgeguard like you say below, you will get swallowed some of the time.
Why would Kirby come in low enough to get hit with a fair from a single jump? Wherever you hit Kirby, basically, he can come back to the stage where he wants to go.
Snake's recovery is slow and predictable. Kirby's is not slow and anything but predictable.
Kirby kills Falco with a Fsmash from around 80%+. Not from the very edge of the stage, either. Fox is even lighter than Falco.
I'll give that one to you, but Kirby does have some longer-range options.
Kirby has five large puffs and a triple jump, and is a floaty character. He wouldn't have to approach below the stage if he didn't want to, even if hit out sideways and down.
Thanks!
Oh, I didn't explain this correctly. Basically, when Fox uses a Fair right after he jumps, he gains a considerable boost in his jump. It nearly doubles the distance he goes up vertically. Assuming the stage has a platform, he can usually jump high enough to guard most characters that recover from the top.
Not unless you suck.
Dtilt keeps Fox in it for at least 3 hits and is guaranteed to link up to his Utilt/Usmash at higher percents.
Agreed. But Sonic has a number of combos that create good amount of damage.
Not true, while you may know his moves he is far from being easily predicted.
You can't spam at all with your blaster. He gets up to you far too quickly for it to be spammable.
Correct he has little priority on most of his attacks so in direct combat Fox will in, however most of the time Sonic will be dancing out of Fox's range using his speed and many other moves.
Sonic actually has better range to his attacks than Fox on several of his moves. But Fox has better attack speed.
Sonic is 6th in base speed aerially he is far from slow.
Its no illusion , I speak as a Sonic main and also as a persopn who uses fox as a secondary.
yes it is you idiot -_-
