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Heh, after having played Zhao and many other local guys who second Luigi, I've gotten into the habit of preparing to SDI down as soon as I see a potential jab coming. That's really the only way I've found to escape the jab -> upB is to SDI the jab down and PS, which does work and then it's a free Usmash for you. And yah his tornado is something you really have to see coming miles away or there's not much you can do about it. If you do see it coming then a good retreating Fair will punish.Honestly, I consider Luigi more dangerous soley for the fact that Luigi can jab+upB us to death. That and I see his tornado can be hell of annoying.
Wow, I thought I was the only who felt like that. roflAlso why I struggle vs Pit online -_-. Seems like every Pit I play has some huge lag with them. Hit stun from the arrows turn into 2 seconds.
I really needed this info, thanks. ;ORecovering offstage, there is a way to recover if Mario tries to FLUDD or cape your aether. Make sure you're recovering as close to the stage as possible. If Mario is going to cape, hold back. If Mario is going to FLUDD, hold forward. Of course, reverse aether completely messes up cape gimps, but leaves you more susceptible to FLUDD, so if you reverse aether make sure he won't try to FLUDD. It is very dangerous for mario to follow you offstage, because then reverse aether you are almost guaranteed to return, and Ike can punish hard if he gets back to the stage or even worse for Mario.
that helps him space as wellLuigi's shield push makes him easier.
Apparently, I had 6 "on the boarder" MUs last time. Go figure.Niddo's Ratios 3.0 said:3-7
4-6
45-55
35-65
50-50 Upon giving this one more thought, I'm not seeing it as slightly Ike's advantage. Just the way I describe the MU ratio in my head sounds like a dead even MU to me.
35-65
45-55
35-65
50-50
35-65
40-60
50-50 A borderline MU that was altered due to Bthrow->Dash Attack %s.
45-55
40-60
35-65 It seems that my opinion of this ratio keeps bouncing back and forth between 35-65 and 40-60. :/ For the time being, I'm rounding it back towards more in ZSS's favor.
45-55
50-50 Same as G&W
40-60
50-50 Just a note, I believe the Bthrow->Dash Attack and new Peach stuff balances the ratio out to be the same as before.
45-55
60-40
40-60
:shiek: 40-60
65-35 Due to Squirtle's MU changing, and how it rounds out. Doesn't look right in my head, but thats how it basically rounds out. :/ Unless I did my math wrong and it's still 60-40.
70-30 Didn't know about the Eruption edgeguarding before. Add that in with either a GR Change Grab off the ledge, or Bthrow->Dash Attack by the ledge and this MU is just ****. I'm sorry, but Squirtle gets destroyed by Ike, plain and simple.
45-55
55-45
50-50
50-50
60-40
55-45
Ditto Match
55-45
55-45 Bthrow -> Dash Attack stuff again.
60-40
40-60
60-40
60-40
60-40 A way to combo Link off the stage at a fairly low angle? Yay!
70-30 Same as Link.
*nods*Do you guys really think you have 4-6 over CF? I always thought it was 45-55 (Ike).
Then again San would know a bit better than me
*shrug**nods*
San beat Ally. The few Falcons I've played were easy to beat, and the few times I've used Falcon against Ike I've noticed an uphill battle. Ike has too much range over Falcon for it to be 45-55. Nair just kills a lot of things Falcon can attempt to use for an approach.
I need to go to tournies more often. -.-30-70
40-60
45-55
35-65 -> 40-60 - Not as hard I as I thought when it comes to edgeguarding.
45-55 I don't like them. :[
40-60
40-60
35-65
45-55
35-65
45-55
45-55 -> 50-50 - I can beat Penta now. *shrugs* lol
45-55
35-65 -> 40-60 - Recently played Jash again, just had to wait for him to land. Still gay though.
40-60
45-55
55-45 ROB sucks.
50-50
50-50
40-60
55-45
40-60
:shiek: 45-55
55-45 -> 60-40
55-45 -> 60-40 - Eruption discussion. (No rhyme intended)
60-40
50-50
45-55
55-45
55-45
55-45
- Port priority.
55-45
45-55 -> 50-50 - This ***** shouldn't be gimping me.
55-45
40-60
55-45
60-40
60-40
60-40
Change Reasonings:30-70
40-60
35-65 -> 40-60
40-60
40-60 -> 50-50
40-60
45-55
40-60
45-55
40-60
45-55 -> 50-50
45-55
45-55
45-55
35-65 -> 40-60
45-55
40-60
50-50
45-55
45-55
60-40
45-55
:shiek: 40-60
60-40 -> 65-35
60-40 -> 65-35
60-40 -> 65-35
50-50
45-55
55-45
60-40
55-45
x = Wut?
55-45
50-50
65-35 -> 60-40
45-55
45-55 -> 50-50
60-40
65-35
70-30
15-85
Well, feel free to post your numbers on the MUs and I can add it to the data, but we're using the general consensus of every Ike main based on the mathematical average of everyone's input.I disagree with some of these mu's
the only mu's that are in our favor is luigi/ganondorf/zelda everything else is either 5/5 or in their favor or by a bit.