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Hylian can't understand the simplicity of complaining over the complexity of acting on one's beliefs?When people are lost all they can do is try to blame the credentials. They take no notice of the fact that they can act according to their own beliefs and instead choose to complain.
This, I will never understand.
What he said. -_-...Time to just wait for next year. Hopefully peoples' minds will be changed.
The important issue that that's being mentioned here is certain group have a far greater bias inherently.Because technicalities are the only sense of reality we have sometimes.
all i'm saying is that it's kind of weird when you're accusing someone else of being biased, when in fact your accusation itself is probably filled with biases.
Well, understand, there's a fair amount of general animosity towards the SBR period, part of it is perceptions that SBR isn't actually as good as it should be, part of it is disagreements with them, and part of it is this continuing issue.When people are lost all they can do is try to blame the credentials. They take no notice of the fact that they can act according to their own beliefs and instead choose to complain.
This, I will never understand.
You're thinking of Xyro.Err am I missing something here, or does Hylian ban MK in all his tournaments while voting anti-ban here?
i'm far too amused by your name being pink to give you an actual reply. @@The important issue that that's being mentioned here is certain group have a far greater bias inherently.
Like me having a bias for the most logical course of action.
Optimistic thinking. And I do think we should move on.I personally really just want people to stop arguing all the time about it. We are all apart of the same community and some of the things I've seen said to others just because of their opinions on Metaknight have been pretty unwarranted.
Regardless of your stance, we need to move on.
oh lol yes that explains a lotYou're thinking of Xyro.
>_>.
You don't live in atlantic north dod you?I think the one kid's previous point is valid, in saying that most TOs will neglect what they feel is right, and follow the SBR's ruleset, because that's how the big scale tournaments do, and they want a large turnout.
What other big differences do you have other than banning Dedede's infinites?You don't live in atlantic north dod you?
Our ruleset is SO non-standard it's not even funny.
For every event.
Well, infinites in general (usually except ICs), also stages tend to be a great deal more conservative and the ledge-grab rule is almost universal.What other big qualm(s) are there other than:
*coughbanningD3infinites*
Just curious. Oregon's ruleset is actually somewhat similar to AN in terms of stage legality, but the big thing is that we don't ban Dedede's infinites.
I'm assuming you've tried convincing TOs there otherwise.Well, infinites in general (usually except ICs), also stages tend to be a great deal more conservative and the ledge-grab rule is almost universal.
In general, I oppose this, but I'm here, so what can I do?
Quoted for freaking truth. I've been trying to tell this to people forever, but it unforetunatly keeps getting repeated (by a very specific side) over and over again, and I suspect it'll keep getting repeated.Looking back at this whole debate now...
The only thing that really bothers me is the ignorance/selfishness of the elitist individuals that think the top of the metagame is the only thing that matters. This is a decision that affects the entire Smash community- not just the players that can consistently place in the money at regional/national tournaments, but also the players that fund those tourneys with their entry fees, which makes up a very, very large majority of the community.
That said, I hope anti-ban and pro-ban advocates alike can find the maturity to restrain themselves from stereotyping each other. After all, we're all after the same thing- a better community and a better game.
Well, I suppose it's a good thing I live in Texas, then. <3 Xyro.
I'm sorry that the changes aren't large enough for you, but that's a very substantial change to the metagame and the subject of a lot of debate, opposing the ruleset in the areas I mentioned ARE very substantial.I live in IL, nor do i play brawl very much, but i do play melee alot, and i haven't heard many rule changes in melee other than "Mushroom Kingdom 2" and "Princess Peach's Castle" being legal in some tournaments.
It would be interesting to see a large scale event make a major change that wasn't either frowned upon by "top players" or people just playing by the SBR's rules just because, they are the general/most fair as voted by top players and TOs.
Like, six stock matches or even any legal stage on random?
I don't see that happening, nor do I see Meta leaving any large scale tournament until the SBR listens the the majority of the people and "recommend" him to be banned.
Yes, pretty much.I'm assuming you've tried convincing TOs there otherwise.
I can definately feel for you though. The big deal with infinites is that many of them like ICs and DDD infinites are non-interactive, and when something is non-interactive you're more than likely going to get people *****ing about it.
No, I got it, you were trying to say they don't deviate much.i was just saying random things, i'm not about to go to a tournament where all the legal stages are on random.....
you obviously didn't understand what i was trying to say.
Right, because fiction, azen, chillin, havok, CO18, holy, hugs, lee martin, melee1, ninjalink, OBM, praxis, reflex, and utd zac are all a bunch of scrubs who just need to get better(just a quick scan of YES votes and memory, probably a lot of good players I missed).People need to stop hoping that Meta Knight EVER gets banned but try to become actually good at this game instead.
Uh what? I didn't say "all pro-banners are scrubs lololololololo", I said people need to stop hoping that he'll get banned. This doesn't apply to people, who actually win vs MK like some of the people you mentioned (and those ARE "actually good" like NinjaLink and Fiction) but to people who say "let's wait for another vote and hope he'll get banned then".Right, because fiction, azen, chillin, havok, CO18, holy, hugs, lee martin, melee1, ninjalink, OBM, praxis, reflex, and utd zac are all a bunch of scrubs who just need to get better(just a quick scan of YES votes and memory, probably a lot of good players I missed).
Doesn't sound too different to the situation we saw in early Melee.In my opinion what makes this different from the items debate is the metagames will progress further into one where MK is unstoppable or one into which a counter pick is eventually found. Only then do I think people will lay this to rest.
It already is over.it's over proban will never get 2/3
Er, that's what he said, wasn't it?It already is over.
Still seems like a pointless dig to me, I don't think there is an overall difference in skill between the two sides for the most part, there are scrubs, intermediates, and top players on both sides, it's a philosophical issue, not a "you're bad at the game" issue.Uh what? I didn't say "all pro-banners are scrubs lololololololo", I said people need to stop hoping that he'll get banned. This doesn't apply to people, who actually win vs MK like some of the people you mentioned (and those ARE "actually good" like NinjaLink and Fiction) but to people who say "let's wait for another vote and hope he'll get banned then".
There are pro-banners who are good enough to beat them consistently (although imo only few people in your list are really good enough) but it's pretty obvious that my post wasn't directed towards them but to random poster #234876 who prefers to wait for another instead of becomeing actually good.
Point well said! You cannot deny that there are also people who both use MK and/or simply find it detrimental to the game, banning a character in their favorite game series' most recent installment. Don't randomly throw out that the pro-ban side has a larger concentration of scrubs than the anti-ban unless you measure it yourself and filter all the pro's and alt accounts from the poll results.Still seems like a pointless dig to me, I don't think there is an overall difference in skill between the two sides for the most part, there are scrubs, intermediates, and top players on both sides, it's a philosophical issue, not a "you're bad at the game" issue.
It *may* have to do with their sudden addition into the top tier.♪ Finally, now I can not worry about the build up of Diddy Kong mains. It seems that everyone who uses Meta Knight uses Diddy Kong or Wario anyways... strangely. †