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Cable hasn't done anything in forever, Nairo should be second easily.
So? A solid win is a solid win, don't try and devalue it because their brothers.Can we use Kira as a good win though? You'd assume they'd play a lot since they're brothers, and would know each others play style extremely well.
Fine example of state bias.
Thank you for your support but my Dk is not better than his. He doesnt use DK nearly as much as I do but he has more notable wins with him.Neon > Nairo
He's easily top 5 DK and possibly top 5 Samus too. Also, Trela for top Samus.
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1. Vinnie
2. FreEsam
3. lain
4. Smoom77
5. DEHF / RollerSaint, me, you, & Chthreethreesthree all have better ICs than DEHF, imo. (I may be forgetting someone else as well) Not that his are bad by any means.
Yours are still better than the rest of ours though.
Also, it might be appropriate to consider removing Lain. He has not done anything close to impressive in over 6 months. His only notable performance was like 5th or something at REVENGE. And there he lost to a fox player (who isn't even listed in the top 5
Apex is the only tourney he's entered this year, and his round 1 pool did not have a single player whose name I recognized. His 2nd he didn't make it out of.
Last tourney he was at before APEX he went more MK, and the times I saw him go ICs he lost to Zinoto, and Sparta Kick. It should be further noted that my ICs double 2 stocked SK in that same tournament.
He does not have access to a wii and has not been to a smashfest since mid summer. You could count the number of times he's played since August on a single hand. He's rusty with his ICs at best, his cgs less consistent than my grandmother's bowels, and uses mk more times than not.
Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and he's taught me much of what I know. But when he switches mains, doesn't practice, under performs, and then doesn't show up at all. It may be time to consider his reign at an end.Roller, why do you hate me?
I don't think I'd agree with dropping lain yet, but you know MI better than we do.
1. Vinnie
2. FreEsam
3. Smoom77
4. Cheese/DEHF/Roller/Saint
5. Cheese/DEHF/Roller/Saint
???
I also hear Dojo is getting pretty good with ICs. Elv8 is ranked 2 on Bama's PR as well.
Lucario Post:
Dedede Post:
I think the list for DDD needs to be fixed the most.
1.) Atomsk should be like 2nd or 3rd. He goes mostly DDD at MK banned tourneys and does very well with him. Recent results are probably easy to find, Smashachussets is the most recent one I think.
2.) Zekey is the 2nd best DDD in the USA? First of all his results / wins are nowhere near as good as those of 4GOD and second he uses Diddy now. He's good enough for top 5 but 2nd is a huge stretch. Right now, he is NOT better than 4GOD and Atomsk.
3.) 4GOD as 3rd is justified but not below Zekey.
4.) Addy is the strongest DDD in a highly competent region and should be on the top 5 for sure.
5.) Lee Martin still wins regional tourneys and he uses DDD with or without MK banned. He probably should be taken into consideration
6.) CO18 =/= active; hasn't been for a long time
1st Coney
2nd Atomsk
3rd 4GOD / Addy
4th 4GOD / Addy
5th Zekey / [Lee Martin]
That's a DDD list I could approve of. Or you could switch Atomsk's and Zekey's places on the current list and replace CO18 with Addy or something.
Zekey RARELY goes Diddy. He only uses him very early on to practice him.
As for Lee, he only uses D3 against JNig if MK is banned.
The reason why I'm reluctant to have 4GOD as #2 above Atomsk is because while he has some big wins that'd justfiy his position as top 3 DDD he doesn't actually have a winning record against the good players from his region as far as I'm aware. He's either even with or slightly loses to P1, Reflex and the people he consistently beats such as Micaelis or McPee aren't as good as the people Atomsk beats. It's a tough call I admit but I'm leaning towards Atomsk as #2 DDD for that reason.
Edit: You may actually be right. The biggest tourney Atomsk used DDD at doesn't even have a bracket image in the result thread -.-
ZSS post:
Just for the record guys, if it helps you debate mine or V115's positions. He's now 3rd, and I'm now 5th on our PR.
Haha thanks guys.
I suppose now would be a good time to put together my results to see if I can make top 5 on the ZSS list.
Showdown in Downtown 3 - August 20, 2011 - 7th/26
Showdown in Downtown 4 - September 17th, 2011 - 5th/27
No Bull**** II: Pepto Mismol - October 1st, 2011 - 9th/37
Warlocks' Domain 1 - October 22nd, 2011 - 1st/16
Showdown in Downtown 5 - November 26th, 2011 - 7th/44
Revival of Salt - February 4th, 2012 - 17th/56 (pretty sure it's 56, unless I miscounted the pools)
Showdown in Downtown 6 - March 10th, 2012 - 3/39
As you can see, I haven't gotten worse than 9th since August 2011, with the exception of ONE tournament, which was RoS (that regional where Patches beat Nicole.)
At SiD4 (my 5th tourney ever), I got 2-0'd by Ally's Snake, but 2nd game was last-stock-last-hit. I think that's pretty good for my 5th tourney ever, but it's still a 2-0, so...take that as you will. You can watch the set here.
At SiD5, I took a game off of Ally's Lucario (but I lost the set). I know it's his Lucario, but he did 3-1 his brother (Holy)'s ROB with it in GFs, so...take that as you will. You can watch the set here.
At RoS, I beat Logic's Olimar 2-1 in a $2 MM. Didn't get recorded. I know it's only $2, so again, take that as you will XD.
At SiD6 (2 days ago) I took a game off of Ally's Snake in Winners' and almost(ish) won the set.
After SiD4, I was bumped up to #9 on the Southern Ontario Power Rankings. After SiD5, I was bumped up to #4 on the PR (where I currently am, though there may be an update after yesterday's tourney, I dunno). I've beaten a lot of people on the PR and I'll provide those specific victories if you want, Krystedez.
I'm aware a lot of the results are from tournies with low attendance and I haven't really taken any 'big names', but I have absolutely no idea what YbM's results are like. I don't even know if he's active, or if he still plays ZSS. If someone were to show me that his recent results are more impressive than mine, then it's cool, just keep him there. That just means I have to keep performing well and start travelling
To be clear, I'm fighting for 5th on the ZSS list. I know NR, Salem, DRN and Dakpo are better than me, and they deserve to be above me (for now).
There you go Krystedez. Now time to go to school.
Falco post
Not jumping on the Pelca bandwagon after a few good wins, if he keeps it consistent for a few months then we have a case for the #2 spot changing but Larry n Shugo have solidified themselves heavily.
Rob post:
kiraflax should be above above stingers and and t0mmy... he got 2nd at a vegas monthly
We all know. Number 2 or 1 for Kira.
Im lookin at your wins against Pwn, Brick, and t1mmy, those are pretty sufficient wins to put you in "active" and still "good"...
Overall, if anything, I'd like to know if Holy still doin work as well.
I think the list will be at LEAST
Holy, Kira, t0mmy *stinger/chibo*Chibo has wins on Deltacod and Will from his last 2 events, I'd have him as 3rd ROB at the worse.
Pit post:
What pits? (plays Kid Icarus)
Toon Link Post:
PJ is definitely better than Jerm.
Get outta here, Twink.
Are u stupid?
PJ is easily on MJG's lvl.
The list should be something like...
MJG/PJ Jash Jerm Kingtoon.
Also Infern is going in strong in Texas. But he hasn't attended one of our regular tournaments in Houston(HOBO) yet where the snake killers reside. We'll see what happens thenMhm.
Both players are really good, and pretty close in skill, but IMO Jerm is much more solid player, and has a more consistent playstyle.
I agree with your list completely (minus the Gnes part
MJG
Jash/Jerm
PJ/KT
Donkey Kong Post:
Ness Post:
So I took a look at some of Twinx's results and compared them to mine, and here's generally what I found (A-Bracket implies pro bracket (i.e. making it out of pools) and B-Bracket implies amateur bracket (i.e. not making it out of pools):
Twinx's Results
Overall Placing: 5th/24
A-Bracket Placing: 5th/8
Characters Used: :nessbrawl: :olimarbrawl: :icsbrawl:
Overall Placing: 6th/14
B-Bracket Placing: 2nd/10
Characters Used: :nessbrawl:
Overall Placing: 27th/43
B-Bracket Placing: 5th/11
Characters Used: Unknown
Overall Placing: 4th/20
A-Bracket Placing: 4th/8
Characters Used: :nessbrawl: :icsbrawl:
Overall Placing: 4th/18
A-Bracket Placing: 4th/4
Characters Used: :nessbrawl: :metaknightbrawl:
Overall Placing: 26th/48
B-Bracket Placing: 1st/11
Characters Used: :nessbrawl:
Twinx has also had about 7 PR wins in the last 5-6 tournies (though I'm unsure with which characters all of these came about).
My own results
Now we usually don't run pools, and even when we do, there's no amateur bracket, so I'm just going to list my recent placings (thanks to V for the list). I use only Ness in tournies, no secondaries lol:
Overall Placing: 9th/26
Overall Placing: 9th/27
Overall Placing: 17th/37
Overall Placing: 13th/44
Overall Placing: 5th/16
Overall Placing: 9th/24
Overall Placing: 9th/39
I've had ~4 PR wins in the last 5-6 tournies (all Ness, like in tourney).
Looking at these stats, I typically place (on average) in the top 33.6% of my tournies and Twinx in the top 37.1% of his, but Twinx does have a few more PR wins (though I don't know how many were with Ness specifically). Also, looking at Twinx's results, the tournies where he placed better were the ones where he used secondaries, and there's nothing wrong with that, secondaries are a really good idea to have, but if someone's doing better because of their secondaries as opposed to purely their main, that should push them up on their region's PR (gratz on 6th btw Twinx, love seein :nessbrawl:s on the PR
That said, I defs think Twinx does deserve a top 5 spot, he's a really solid player with good results. Were it not for 3 of the 6 tournies he attended having secondary use and those being his better tournies, I would defs say put him above me at #4, but given everything I've looked at I'm really not sure whether #4 or #5 would be more appropriate. If I had to choose, I would say #5 given everything, but there could easily be things I'm missing or different opinions out there, so feel free to speak up if there are any problems as this is only my take on things
Oh and in regards to Coney, we looked at him for Top 5 Ness, and the only thing holding him back is lack of tourney results/usage. He even admitted himself that he doesn't use Ness enough to justify being ranked, though he did state (and I personally agree) that he could probably be Top 5 if he used him more often.
Anyways, that's my two cents on the Ness list, and I honestly don't follow any other chars enough to have a justifiable opinion anywhere else lmao.
