ToS Presents: CLASH OF THE TITANS 4 - Philadelphia, PA - Feb 7/8 NATIONAL!

[OverLade]

Well, yeah. I tend to place higher than 3rd in teams when stages that are highly skillbased are involved. 3rd is the lowest Atomsk and I have placed at anything since...August? It's also the first tournament we entered with that garbage stage allowed where we had to play two players that practically masturbate to it.

JOHN HARDER PLEASE.

After that mess Spam pull vs. you guys in 2 vs 1 you can't deny that they were simply beat you legit.

 

[Omni]

Yeah, seriously, Inui. Sit down and eat some humble cake.

 

[GameStation aka C4?!]

didn't i have sick music?

 

[AlphaZealot]

Some things could have been done better, however no one is going to run a national level tournament perfect the first time. Even MLG, which does these types of tournaments 5-6 times a year, still learns things each time that helps stream line the process for the next event. I'll probably post some suggestions for any TO's that run this type of tournament in the future.

Chibo was working his *** off at this tournament. People, and you know who you are, should seriously be ashamed of yourself. You have made the entire community look bad because a few people decided to stir up a crowd. That is not what the Smash community is like. We are not some angry mob. This is also not the first time this has happened, as Chibo has brought up, because I can think of multiple occasions, not just Pound 3/Axis, where venues changed and the tournament was not finished until 3-4am in the morning (note, I believe Jtanic is the first person to finish a tournament at his house in Virginia back in late 2003/early 2004, forget which).

Everyone knew that 10pm was when the venue was getting shut down. No one left. The conclusion to what would happen here is OBVIOUS (cough, police, cough). Yet, being an immature crowd of people hell bent on seeing blood, an already stressful situation was made much worse. GROW UP.

I heard so many rumors and misinformation. Someone told me it was Chibo himself that unplugged the Ally/Chu match, when I had just talked to someone who witnessed it and said it was a security dude. Atomsk said he was upset because there were still "like 50 people left in the brackets", when he was already eliminated and got 25th. Azen was also eliminated by 10pm, and I believe he was taken out in the round of 17 or 13, meaning not many people were left in the bracket (simple math). People need to stop exaggerating, especially when a lot of the delays fall on the participants of the tournament and not just Chibo. Seriously, less than 32 TV's for 280 people? Community fail. Venue closes at 10pm, people are told to leave multiple times and no one does? Community fail. Constant friendlies/MM's when there were tournament matches that could have been played? Community fail. Stolen Wii? Some idiots fail (note, seeing a lot of people donate money to the stolen Wii fund was a Community Win).

I don't even understand why people wanted their "money back". You pay to play. You payed for the venue for the specific times that the venue was open. You did not pay to spectate a finals, because if you did then I guess there were 500 people online who should have likewise had to pay. 95% of the people in attendance by 10pm, probably more (whatever percent 12 (or so)/280 is), had all gotten their money's worth of the tournament, played all their matches, been eliminated in singles and doubles, and probably had tons of time to do friendlies the whole weekend. Should the finals occur? Yes, and they did, just in a different location. **** happens and this specific scenario has happened many times before. For some reason some people wanted to be ***** though and start a mod.

I tried to help out some. By help, I mean actual help (like numbering all the tvs), not complaining and making suggestions that would probably not have been implemented. More than half of the attendants couldn't even donate 1 dollar to the kid who had his Wii stolen. 1 freaking dollar. Most of the people at the tournament, especially in the crowd at the end, were being selfish and only looking out for themselves the whole weekend. When that happens, then of COURSE things will end badly. Hell, Chibo is escorted away and suddenly everyone decides to spread the rumor "OMG THE MONEY IS GONE", when anyone who took even a minute to carefully analyze the situation and who had actually spoken with Chibo during the weekend would know he was not just going to take the money. People were just being mean spirited, immature brats by 10:30-11:00pm and would say and do anything to make themselves feel better, which at that point in time was knocking the tournament/Chibo and spreading wildly inaccurate rumors based on absolutely nothing.

 

[Espy Rose]

Epic Speech

I love you AZ. If you had finished off by telling Inui to stop johning, your post would've been possibly the undisputed greatest post to ever exist on Smashboards.

Still, I salute you.

...and RiG.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Today alot of epic stuff happened, M2K got 2 stocked by Dojo, LAPD were raiding the smashers and the most funniest things of all is that they had to finish the tourney at Chibo's house. XDD

 

[Tagxy]

Fair or not I dont think theres anything anyone will be able to say or do thatll prevent most people from seeing this as one of (if not) the biggest smash national tournament fails and the poster child for how to not run a tournament, especially with all the hype it was given. There's no point in arguing that one way or the other, just learning how to do things better in the future. At least we got a lot of good meme's out of it!

 

[highandmightyjoe]

I must admit this does not make the community look good. Its easy to blame one guy, and I'm sure there is fault that could be found in many different places, but AZ is right, people got out of hand. I would not be surprised if this incident makes the local news tomorrow night, and I wouldn't be surprised is the Brawl community suffers some decent blows as a result of what happened here. The Wii's being stolen is also dumb. This has happened at like 3 tournies in a row. People need to start realizing that this stuff is reflective of all of us as a community, and when you do dumb stuff like steal and riot, it effects all of us.

 

[The Real Inferno]

Fair or not I dont think theres anything anyone will be able to say or do thatll prevent most people from seeing this as one of (if not) the biggest smash national tournament fails and the poster child for how to not run a tournament, especially with all the hype it was given. There's no point in arguing that one way or the other, just learning how to do things better in the future. At least we got a lot of good meme's out of it!

There's no such thing as a good meme.

 

[Scissors Sir]

Here's what slot if people are missing...

Chibo had a plan in his mind
Plan got compromised by several factors
Chibo did his best to adjust to the problem at hand and still finished the tournament technically

There will always be plans in any aspect of life that don't go according to plan

A person shouldn't be judged simply because these incidents occurred
They should be judged by how they handle it after the unfortunate hinderances are presented to them

Chibo was basically being threatened by slot of people and still made his home accessible for the tourney to finish.

Seeing first hand how hard it was to run tournaments back when I did it in 2002, I can understand what chibo probably had to deal with

Would most smashers step up and organize tournies? No.

Would most smashers try to continue running a tourney through sickness? No.

Would most smashers run a tourney knowing there's a chance he/she might not get to relax and play friendlies? No.

Would most smashers have the balls to continue a tournament at their own house immediately after being violently threatened? Hell no.


Most smashers don't even think about making a tourney run smoother. All the people who enjoyed their many friendlies and money matches should be glad the tourney even finished...

Even though the delays sucked a$$, u still didn't help matters by sitting at stations that could've made things run faster. You got over on the tourney organizer and played friendly after friendly... Congrats! All you accomplished was gettin put out in the cold

60% of the smashers in attendance wouldn't have attempted to run a tourney of this magnitude
15% would've tried and failed harder
And of the remaining 25% that could've ran this...
100% of them would've suffered from the "[insert name here] fails" syndrome

 

[Scissors Sir]

Stupid auto correct on my iPhone


Slot= alot
if= of (in some places...)

 

[GOTM]

yeah and dksmash if i ever see you on non-chibo ran grounds where he would get in trouble for ****.....im beating the ever living **** outta you. that riot was completely started by you for no reason at all.

and atomsk too, you both need to chill the **** out for real. the **** tourney ran late. end of story. if you seriously told someone faults about the tournament that could even remotely be traced back to chibo, MAYBE doubles pools creation could be brought up, but that **** happens. your the ones that didnt bring tvs, wiis, etc.

also, after i answered about 100 people questioning me about when doubles pools was gonna start, and they finally started, i went to play my pools matches and people were sitting their IN MY POOL, playing SINGLES friendlies. then i walked around and this was happening at most tv's. lol, im glad this ran late cuz it was your own faults.

 

[Lobos]

lol @ threat

Despite what happened I met alot of amazing smashers. *Waits for results thread*

 

[GimR]

I think this whole riot would've happened if people were allowed to watch Ally Vs. Chu. I think that's all they wanted lol. They probably would've left after that.

 

[hotgarbage]

Moral of the story? People suck.

 

[Ussi]

Did this ever happen in melee scene? (just wondering...)

And wtf why are people stealing wii's -_- No one is gonna bring a wii to tourneys if that is gonna happen :\

edit: One more thing, who is Random Ike guy I keep hearing about ;O?? I want to hear what is amazing about him.

 

[Solid Jake]

I could respond to posts, or to the events that went on this weekend but i really dont have time

So i will make it simple.

All future ECRC events will have mandatory pre registration sign up.
Signups will be done right on www.ecrc2k.com
Grats to the winners, see you at the next event.

 

[lamugi]

**** good **** everyone, im glad everything was finished somewhat on time. and chibo you're the **** dude, good stuff stepping up and handling ****

 

[•Col•]

Did this ever happen in melee scene? (just wondering...)

And wtf why are people stealing wii's -_- No one is gonna bring a wii to tourneys if that is gonna happen :\

edit: One more thing, who is Random Ike guy I keep hearing about ;O?? I want to hear what is amazing about him.

I know... The stealing Wii think is so stupid... =/ I can't believe someone from the Smash community would do that. I remember hearing that M2K's Wii got stolen at a tournament a few months ago over the summer.

Also, Random Ike Guy(a.k.a. RIG) counterpicked Norfair against M2K and 3 stocked him. Lol, not really. He was in the pools on the Wii that was getting Livestreamed. He got 3-stocked and JV-3stocked so many times... ;-; The entire 30 minutes-1 hour he was on the stream, the commentators didn't know his name, so they kept referring to him as Random Ike Guy. After he finally got done with pools, we found out that he was called Falgon or Falgunz or something like that.



.....But anyway, I still don't understand why this tournament started 7 hours late... o.o Unless people were literally signing up for 6 hours... Because Chibo made it sound like in his post that it didn't take long for them to put the pools together... D: Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but w/e...

 

[So Fatal]

the doubles pools were supose to start friday at like 1 or 2 but didn't start till 730.. and **** got out of hand sunday night. People really made the smash community look terible. the "**** Chibo" chant was retarted.

 

[blakinola]

When people don't listen to simple instructions, things can get out of hand. The tournament would have run a whole lot smoother if people didn't play their ****ing money matches or anything else when pools matches of any kind could have been played.

People jacking stuff (one person told me someone stole 100 bucks out of his wallet)--now that's just unnecessary. Do we have to start frisking people on the way in or out? Trash, weed, stupidity, lack of respect for others. You take all this stuff out and things run a lot smoother. The next time ToS runs something, we're just going to have to put our feet down on a lot of things, because it was simply unacceptable.

I didn't get to play a lot of friendlies because of the utter chaos that this weekend. I didn't play a lot of big name people (except for Hylian, i almost beat him, but i SD'd my first death, but got him down to one stock). I wanted to play Panda but that didn't happen. People were missing from pools, people kept asking questions every 5 seconds about the answers they already knew. I was turning setups off and yelling at people because they didn't listen.

Needless to say, some things will have to change if there is to be progress, and it involves everyone's help.

-Label your ****. In the end, only you are responsible for it.

-Listen to the ones who are running the tournament.

-When you QQ and moan about the quality of things, yet aren't helping to improve the situation, you're just as bad as those who aren't helping the cause.

In short, congratulations to those in teams and singles. This whole event was a huge endeavor, the likes of which i'm sure, not even inui could completely stomach to be perfectly honest. We weren't prepared for the amount of people that showed, and we honestly did try to get everything done orderly and efficiently. We sacrificed a lot of time so you guys could play your friendlies and money matches and pooled matches. We'll take this as a learning experience and next time we'll be ready for the lot of you, so we thank all those who came out and the next large scale event we hold will blow this one out of the water.

Akinola

 

[GOTM]

well spoken

 

[xHayatox]

that was something. brawl community common step it up! most tourney before it was hard enough handling 200 kids and thats with pre-reg. this one had 280+ without so having that many people in your face every 5 minute aint easy. i will work with jake on future events with implementation on pre-reg. which will make pool setup available a week before start and who ever that dont pre-reg. tough luck when you get placed in a unfair swimming pools. stealing is wrong peepz. stealing controllers is bad enough but a wii?!?! you probably already own one so why take someone elses.. now they cant practice. = [ i feel bad for chibo. i don know em but i feel his pain. o wellz next time it will be better. kiits neet to stop acting immature as alpha said. i like brawl but melee will always be in my heart. we need the old schools to control the new school

 

[shanus]

As everyone knows, a lot of problems happened this past weekend. While I'm not trying to john about it, I feel an explanation is needed.

First of all, please don't listen to any of the posts on SmashBoards yet. No one knows what happened besides me right now, and this is my first chance to fully explain it to everyone.

As people could tell, I was VERY sick this entire tournament. I got sick way back on Monday, and it didn't go away. I was coughing every few seconds, and I was loosing my voice, and by the end of the tourney, it's completely gone. I can't speak above a whisper.

We had been expecting around 200 or something, and ended up with nearly 300 people, which is up in the ranks of the largest smash tourneys ever. Unlike other tourneys of this size, this took much longer to start compared to:
-Pound 3 (had pre-paid registration)
-Axis (singles only, not as much competition so seeding was no where near as important/tough to do)

As soon as I noticed how long it was taking for registration and potentially what time we were starting, I immediately sought help. People are still saying I didn't let people help me, which is a complete lie. I worked my crew to death doing a crap load of work, and had an INSANE amount of help mainly from Samurai Panda, AlphaZealot, and Omega Black Mage.

Signups were done with an excel file, which was the only possible way we could do it with having 2 signup stations, and to get it done in any reasonable amount of time as we wouldn't be able to put it in Tio quickly enough with switching between the events, adding people, tracking money, and more. We had a 4-5 person assembly line for signups. Sorry we had so many people.

The biggest problem was for preparing doubles after this. I had to go through the excel signups (all 285 or so entrants) by hand and find everyone, their teammate, and make sure they paid. There were sooo many instances of someone saying their teammates name (real name), but their teammate signed up with a gamertag or vice versa, which made it so we had to recall up tons of people to find out who they were teaming with. In the end though, not a single team was missed, and I'm very glad with having 0 errors dealing with that many entrants.

Next problem, a Wii was stolen. Seriously, THIS **** HAS GOT TO STOP HAPPENING AT TOURNAMENTS. It's been happening a lot recently, and it's **** terrible. This cause a lot of stress, and time trying to deal with the situation.

What I did was for doing pools and what not, I just started my own system on it which takes like 5-10 mins to get it going, then I immediately had other people come help me, which turned out to mainly be OmegaBlackMage on Sat and AlphaZealot on Sunday, but both and others helped out on both days.

Next thing, is I'm tired of how people are all saying they would have run this better. Are there plenty of people that could have had this done better? Most likely, but seriously, trying to deal with crowds this big, etc. It took an hour of yelling at people on Saturday night to get people to leave. People just flat out don't listen to you. It's 100% different from a regional tourney. At a regional it's very easy to know everyone that's there, and you most likely know them from before the tourney as it is and they are people willing to co-operate. Not at nationals for sure. I don't know half the people that were there and they were all just worried about doing their own thing and not listening to the freicken rules.

Yes, the tourney ran later than planned... So have other tourneys though? Why single this out like the only one? Pound 3 running till after 3am (and having to switch venue), Axis running to like 4am or something and dropping doubles, and more. This isn't the first time something like this has happened.

Now perhaps for the main deal... the ending. We realized we would be short, so I asked to get an extension on the venue. The manager, who was like a 20 or something year old foreign student who didn't speak English well at all. He said that the venue was open until 11 for cleaning staff and such, but people had to leave at 10. I asked if we could let the last 15 or so ppl for bracket stay for 10 to 11 and he said he was ok with it as long as everyone else left. We told people, and no one left. 15 minutes later at around 10, the manager told me to start getting people out IMMEDIATELY. We had to start being a little more aggressive with getting people out, so we starting kicking people off friendlies, and turned off the projector, and people FLIPPED. I have never seen such a group of immature-mean-argumentative-pricks in my entire life. Everyone's solution was to ***** and start a freicken riot. The manager told us if they are not out IMMEDIATELY (especially now that they were starting to be un-ruly) or he would call public safety to have them taken out. We told people, they didn't care, so guess what happened... Public safety was called.

During this time the manager went around flat out unplugging everything from the wall without my permission, even after saying the people could be in there for a little longer, and ended up unplugging the TV during the match of ChuDat vs Ally. If people had never rioted in the first place, this whole mess wouldn't have happened. I was EXTREMELY upset at the manager, and immediately went to the office with him to discuss what had happened, and you will all be sure that I will be talking to his boss about what happened, as I am pissed.

Public safety got there and got everyone out. They were all yelling my name trying to get me and since I had all of the prize money on me, they forced me to be escorted out from the venue to my apartment. I couldn't deny this at all. I couldn't even stay at the venue to continue to gather my stuff, so some of my stuff is still there, which I have to go get tomorrow (today) morning when it opens.


so all in all


If people weren't such idiots to start something close to a riot, none of this **** would have happened. Chu's match wouldn't have been unplugged, we would have gotten a lot more of the bracket done at the venue in quicker fashion, and more.


The solution...


I can not even begin to explain how thankful I am for Samurai Panda and how he helped me in this situation. With being escorted away from the tourney, and unable to really talk much on the phone because of my voice, Samurai Panda was able to organize everyone still in the bracket, and brought them to my place and helped to start the tourney back up. And guess what, we even had a big group of people watching all the matches and we had a great time and saw some VERY exciting matches. And if you were only of those riot members threatening me, there is no way I would let you in or anywhere near my apartment, so you continued to hurt yourself even further by starting that whole mess.

I am so thankful for everyone who cared about me in the whole situation trying to help me through everything whether it be helping me run the mess at the end, or sending texts/calling me to make sure I'm ok.

Bottom line though, however much we attempted to save this with almost succeeding, I'm crushed. I'm not running a tournament for a while. It's flat out too much work. I bust my *** for months for organizing this event, go through hell during the weekend being sick while running it, and this happens unfortunately and now everyone hates me. It's not worth it. I didn't get a single friendly at the venue throughout the entire tourney. It's my first national Brawl tourney, with all of the pros from all over the country, and I couldn't play one **** friendly. Why is it worth it? If you think you can run a national so well Inui, let's see it (since your trash talking comes to mind)

I took all the time to read every single post in this thread (up until yesterday), answered every PM, helped out every person that needed help, filled an endless amount of forms with Drexel for reserving the place, setting up a discount at the hotel, and much more. This is a lot of work.

I would like to give a shoutout again to OBM, AlphaZealot, especially Samurai Panda, GOTM, .com, UltimoDragon, AndyG, and the rest of the ToS members who helped.

I had a lot of help for this tourney and I'm appreciative of everyone who offered to do so.


So tourneys done, and this whole debacle is over thankfully.

If I can think of more to add later I'll post again.
In the meantime, can someone send me a pm about the whole random ike guy thing? I don't know what you guys are talking about.

More people need to read this and cut him some slack. Youre all ungrateful when you probably couldnt have done any better.

 

[dmbrandon]

lulz.

That is all.

 

[dmbrandon]

And Shanus, we have done better. A lot better. ^_~~~

 

[GimR]

I could respond to posts, or to the events that went on this weekend but i really dont have time

So i will make it simple.

All future ECRC events will have mandatory pre registration sign up.
Signups will be done right on www.ecrc2k.com
Grats to the winners, see you at the next event.

Awesome, that's a great idea.


Oh yea, to everyone saying it's Brawl people who start riots or something, every person who insited the riots were former Melee players. Don't blame the game or the community. Can't someone be responsible for his or her own actions for a change?

Oh yea, and Chibo, I'm sorry everything went hell at the end.(Even thoguh I wasn't apart of it, lol)

 

[Rocann]

Olimar + Luigi team DOMINATES. Phew phew phew, grab, SHORYUKEN. crowd goes wild.

really fun tourney, shame it didn't finish at the venue and people were dumb, yeah chibo's registration system was completely ****ed up and hurt the tournament badly by making it take so long to get started... but everything possible was done to get it back on track, and it would've happened if the players had cooperated a little.

 

[dmbrandon]

yeah and dksmash if i ever see you on non-chibo ran grounds where he would get in trouble for ****.....im beating the ever living **** outta you. that riot was completely started by you for no reason at all./QUOTE]

Two things:

1. Don't take it out of the game. We weren't told we had to leave and couldn't watch ****, I helped start that riot and I'd do it again. It was bull****. Physical violence is garbage.

2. DK SMASHES FISTS ARE LIKE ROCKS. Seriously, that dude scares the piss out of me. :X

 

[Turbo Ether]

People stealing, getting high, rioting, etc. at the venue is extremely counterproductive towards re-legetimizing Smash as a professional, tournament game. MLG is already not gonna do a d*mn thing for Smash, we have to fend for ourselves at the moment and this set of circumstances certainly does not help the Smash communities credibility. The tournaments on this circuit need to be executed with the upmost level of professional from tournament organizer and tournament attendee alike.

Anyway, I nominate SamuraiPanda, Pierce7D and dmbrandon to be official commentators for this circuit.

 

[Rocann]

You have to have Blackwaltz's calming voice on the mic, too. His commentary could relax you through a bombing run.

 

[dmbrandon]

Word@waltz.

Me and Pierce for Doubles
SP and Waltz for Singles.

Would be amazing.

 

[Hence]

 

[ANTi_]

Heh idc I ate the best philly cheese steak and the tournament was fun regardless

 

[Rocann]

ROFL @ pic

and anti what the ****. you DESTROYED. 3 amazing people. then... you had to GO! YOU WERE GOING TO GET TOP 8

 

[dmbrandon]

Anti: Hey guys I beat Azen. Bye.

 

[Turbo Ether]

The LAPD meme spawned from Keitaro's live stream antics.

 

[ANTi_]

Lol I know my mom took me out of winners quarters and losers she's must be ranked 3rd in NY for this one

 

[Pakman]

Heh idc I ate the best philly cheese steak and the tournament was fun regardless

You mean CHEESESTEAK. IT IS ONE WORD. When you get one in Philly, you also shouldn't use the adjective, "Philly". Us Philadelphia denizens know that if you have to call it a "Philly" cheesesteak then it probably isn't good.

 

[toasty]

Chibo...I didn't say anything directly to you, but while being in touch with people at the tourney the whole weekend (though MOSTLY Saturday) and hearing what happened [though it seems it wasn't the whole story after reading your post], when I did talk about it with a few others, I was an *** about it. For a lot of reasons, it wasn't called for [though mostly just out of principle].

Sorry for being a d.ck when talking about this to others...

Hopefully the community will get over it [though it'll take a while haha], but..wow...I won't even begin to comment on people's behavior at the event [again: mostly out of principle, as I wasn't even there]