I didn't say egg roll is an approach. anyways, Olimar won't be trying to force the approach by yoshi anyways. It's more like an offensive pikmin throw, b/c we're trying to make you use moves such as egg roll, which can be punished on any side of the stage with a grab. That was my point. That's what Olimars do-they punish pikmin killing with his long ranged grabs and smashes.
Good point, but Yoshi's egg roll doesn't have much ending lag so it's not likely that he'll end up in a place where Olimar can f-smash anyway. Plus he could just roll away... it's not like Olimar's run is as fast as Yoshi's f-smash anyway, and if Oli is camping on the edge then he'll have to run all the way up to him. Yoshi will be able to get out of the egg roll in time to react most of the time.
Bair is good to use to kill pikmin and to approach, but it loses it's power as you use it to kill pikmin more and more and more. Egg roll is grabbed easily too. You need more options to kill the pikmin and yoshi just doesn't have very many compared to the other characters.
Of course bair loses power, but isn't that true of all moves? Egg roll isn't grabbed easily if it doesn't go close to Olimar. You're thinking about it the wrong way... it's a defensive move in this matchup, not an offensive move. Yoshi's next option besides those two moves is egg toss. It travels at a similar trajectory to Pikmin and can usually kill them the first few times. After that, it will become stale, allowing Yoshi to use his other newly refreshed moves.
These three options do Yoshi just fine in this matchup, so it's not that big of a deal.
Upair is your main killing move and dair is just too punishable. Nair can do the trick sometimes, but doesn't always. Olimar has the whistle for all of your upair killing anyways. It's rather easy to time.
Actually, a bair approach followed by an ftilt leads directly into uair. Dair is, I'm not going to lie, a terrible move in this matchup. To begin with, Olimar is a small target so not all the kicks will hit. In addition, Yoshi and most other characters generally won't approach from above, so dair will be almost never used.
Yoshi will have trouble KOing some characters, but Olimar is light enough to sort of cancel that out. I won't be a noob here and say that Olimar can get easily gimped (because he can't) but uair is generally used when the opponent is recovering. Yoshi is good at getting opponents offstage, but not at killing them. Fortunately, getting Olimar offstage is much closer to killing him than it is most characters.
Olimar's ground game>yoshi's ground game by far. Yoshi's grab sucks in comparison to Olimar's. Olimar's range and power on his smashes kill yoshi's inside game. Mmac, I'm not sure what you're saying about Yoshi's grab being better, but I digress.
Yoshi's ground game is average, therefore you won't see many Yoshis using it unless they're landing some quick tilts or a smash. Most will stick with his air game.
Yoshi's grab sucks in comparison to
most characters. It's laggy and doesn't have that great of reach to compensate. Pivot grabs are better but Yoshi won't be getting any chances to pull them off in the Olimar matchup. However, this isn't really relevant because most Yoshis will limit use of the ground game anyway.
Air game-yoshi has the superior air game, but Olimar is ground based character.
Ground game - Olimar has the superior ground game, but Yoshi is an air based character.
When Yoshi's approaching from the air, I'm pretty sure Yoshi's air game > Olimar's ground game.
He can whistle back to the ground to keep from getting juggled if he has to.
I understand. But Yoshi isn't really a "juggling" character anyway... his second jump is too weird to be able to pull that off well. Most of the time his aerials switch to a ground move, then to another aerial move, then back to the ground. The exception to this is bair-to-bair chains, which are multi-hit so Oli can't whistle them.
I'm wondering if y'all know what the current Olimar metagame looks like against yoshi. It's hard for beginners, but Mr. X(currently the best Olimar main) has no trouble at all with yoshis.
That might have a lot to do with player skill, depending on which Yoshis he plays. But I don't really want to John about that or Wi-Fi or whatever.
Sockz, there's no "right" way of thinking about these matchups. I think people get too tied up in that.
