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Lol, fail.
Playing dumb, methinks. Or maybe Kevin didn't keep Chill in the know. He did it in Batma(n)fia. KevinM and I (Ryker) were on a scum team. He didn't tell me jack **** so that I would react as I received the info at the same time as town. I ended up bussing him and my other scummate on D2 and D3 to ride it to victory. Successful strategies get employed multiple times.
Early D1 is a great time for scum distancing. As is late D1 when the scum is about to be lynched and can't save himself. Those are the two times that Chill says anything about KevinM.
This sounds NOTHING like the KevinM we've played with. Generally, you say anything targeting him and, without a real solid push, Kevin just blows it off. "Lol, I totally care."
Continuing to look like he's got something, but posting easily shot down arguments.
Better. This is the good ole' sarcastic KevinM, but he throws no vote here. Do not like.
Doesn't try and continue. Prefers to let the case rot in the ground.
Finally, but he posts no reason even after that back and forth. Their conversation was grimy as hell when you take into account Chill's flip.
Thanks bro. Make the safe vote that ISN'T your buddy Chill.
Derp derp derp. What was the problem? Did you think we shouldn't have forewarned everyone of our restriction?
Useless question is useless. Why start asking now when there is plenty on the table?
Derp derp derp. Nothing to see here.
Wait a sec. You just said that about us? Which is it? Elaborate on one of them, bro.
There you go. Get back to bussing your partner now that people are talking about it.
Good for you. Is he your other partner? I could see that.
In response to Gheb's, "Wanna lynch Chill?"
SIDENOTE: Defending Chill's lurking. It is most certainly Anti-Town behavior. Anti-Town behavior is what scum tells are made of. Go kill yourself.
K, but didn't you say earlier that he mega-coasts?
There it is. Now you say he posts when he's town. Why the sudden distinction?
Too late for Chill to save himself, so distancing a go-go.
Second verse, same as the first.
Once more.
BLATANT CONTRADICTION ALERT!
Tell us, which connections are more likely? Besides the KevinM and Chill we mentioned.
This one I don't understand at all. Elaboration would be greatly appreciated.
Elaborate
Elaborate
This is not the case. Chill was voted out for being inactive... not for suspicious behavior. His behavior, and in turn KevinM's, became suspicious only AFTER his identity was revealed. People working together for a common goal need a reason, and his inactivity was a good reason towards the end. Prior to that, anything referencing Chill is more than likely a guess unless they had information that we do not.
Iggy turned over as cop. Just sayin'. He even hinted at it with his "lol @ you assuming that I'm making baseless assumptions", which puts the spotlight heavily on you in that regard similar to how you feel the spotlight is on KevinM due to his conversations with Chill.
I feel as if I've stated this pretty clearly by now.
See above.
I'd also like to note this as suspicious. It still hasn't been confirmed that you can only hammer. D1 you say you can't vote but instead can only hammer, and D2 you say that you can be forced to vote for someone else. You have yet to be put into a situation where you can vote for someone that you yourself would consider suspicious, and thus have been put into a fairly safe position as far as actions go. Someone else always starts the wagon, other people fill it up, and you're actually expected to finish it and can't really be blamed for doing so... I do not like how that tastes.
So now you CAN vote when ti isn't a hammer, but it doesn't count and you will receive an undisclosed penalty.TM said:
It seems as if posting restrictions are common in this game.KirbyYo said:
TM said:
You seem to have it out for KevinM. This is prior to Chill's lynching. If KevinM dies and turns up clean, I would be very wary of you.TM said:
This was right before he attacked KevinM, which you say was to distance himself from KevinM.Chill said:
The fact that we couldn't utilize the information before seeing Chill's flip really shouldn't bear on matters now.
Scamp is up there, but I only made that one quote due to the fact that it was painfully obvious and was bound to be brought up. Other than that, we have his terrible attempt at an Overswarm wagon. That being said, Kevin needs to go first.
It is a logical statement. Which is why it should be taken with a grain of salt.
We were inactive then as well. The major difference is our claim.
Ryker had computer issues. Meaning we had one guy hesitant to act without the other. We don't want to present an ununified front. You'll notice that once Ryker got back we insisted on stalling the day long enough to get in our say in the event of a NKill. We picked Chill because any lynch is better than No Lynch and neither of us are fans of lurking anyway.
Chill's flip affects a lot. That's a D1 list made by just one of us. It's subject to a lot of change. A reread with Chill's flip in mind yielded those results.
Kevin needs to go.
If that had been said today and he died tonight, I'd lynch us. However, the cop didn't have a night phase to investigate, so I don't think he got anything.
We do have new evidence. It's Chill's flip. Rereading after that shows what we're saying. I don't get your two opposites.
Why?
Addressed already.
Kirbyo/Scamp can go after KevinM. He's the play toDay.
Can definitely see Kirbyo being scum, but it is heavily dependent on a Kevin flip, so we've got no reason to go charging after Kirbyo without that info.
QFT!
I believe we were told he was a cop, not that he could only investigate at night. We also do not know if he was given special information prior to the game's start in his role PM. While neither of those are standard, I would not put it past M3D to throw a few curveballs.
Fact of the matter is, you posted it. You made an open claim and despite your insistence that these lists are prone to change, yours has remained relatively static.
You stated that KevinM and Chill were "leaving the argument to rot" and "attempting to shift focus", and this was followed by statements claiming KevinM was throwing Chill under the bus and Chill was trying to distance himself from KevinM. They literally hit every set of actions you could.
You seem to be making a lot of assumptions. Why do you believe your punishment is a dayskip?
You haven't so much started a wagon here as picked up an obvious one before anyone else commented. As you yourself stated earlier, McFox didn't really say anything because he always picked "safe" targets. This is your "safe" target, and it seemed to have been primed to be the case on D1 multiple times. You consistently referenced KevinM as suspicious prior to Chill's flip, and with Chill's flip KevinM is just a safe bet for you at the moment... this isn't starting a wagon in that sense, at least not a dangerous one.
Why would it be useless?
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Coming to a conclusion pre-flip is all fine and good, but bursting out of the gate without gathering all the information you can is folly. KevinM now has a giant spotlight on him whether he's town or scum, and it's unlikely anyone can defend him without finding someone else especially suspicious. This means whoever the real scum is will more than likely lie low, and if we kill KevinM and he turns out to be town we've got a chain of events already set up that may not be in the town's favor. If you've accidentally left a scum out of the loop, he has a free ride for days if he just sits back and agrees with whatever is most popular at the time.
I would agree that Kevin is more suspicious than Scamp. I personally think you've mucked things up with your posts so far, as we could have easily seen Scamp, KevinM, and KirbyYo post before you reintroduced a spotlight on any of them; this would have given us useful information. Now if they need to distance themselves from one another you can't really blame them regardless of their status. Their votes are unreadable at this moment.
Elaborate, please.
Chill's flip guarantees nothing in this case. While I can see where the suspicion comes from, I've yet to see anything concrete from KevinM. I haven't played games with him before like some of you have, but it seems as if KevinM is normally a target. He's not off the hook by me yet, but I'm not ready to go all out and attempt to lynch him at this time. I'd like to hear what he has to say about all this first, as well as the others I mentioned.
(in reference to independent)
Elaborate, please.
Really unorthodox guesswork. We can't rely on guesswork, so your point is null.Os said:
Says who? Mine has changed up a lot after tonight, and things are actually based on a lot more now.OS said:
Leaving the argument to rot is something entirely different. The bus and distancing was NOT related to the argument. Attempting to switch focus? The bus was really unnoticed by anyone, so I say it doesn't qualify. Same for the distancing day1.OS said:
Wrong.OS said:
PROBABLY. p-r-o-b-a-b-l-y. YOU are assuming that we are assuming something. Irony?OS said:
Cause it's based on an event we don't know the result of yet.OS said:
Gathering all the information we can? We did, we reread all of D1 and discussed many a thing (still busy with that) and this is what we found. We are expanding on it, what's wrong with outing suspicion?OS said:
We haven't introduced a spotlight on Scamp and Kirbyo, we have simply mentioned them. If you think this was a bad move by us, bad luck, we think otherwise.OS said:
You were right when you said it was a logical statement and, although he was defending Chill, it may not mean he's scum. He could be a townie trying to point out that players he thought were lurking are getting a free pass.OS said:
NOTHING except everything the MOD tells you is guarenteed. Kevin will reply when the time comes. Also, he is not really a target... at all. We're not out to lynch him YET. There's still like a week of deadline left, we really want to hear him too atm (but less so then Gheb and Yeroc). Of course we have deadline left, but at the moment we want to lynch Kevin.OS said:
OS said:
Will be done when it's the time to do so.OS said:
hahaha, now you know how everyone who didn't want to ban Metaknight felt.
How is it guesswork? I know M3D and he is not one to be stopped by small things like "standardization" and "normalcy". Iggy openly alluded to knowing something you didn't; you called him out on making a "baseless" claim, and he told you straight up it wasn't. Shortly afterwards he showed up as a cop. Him investigating during the day is not an impossible scenario given the evidence.
Don't post it this time
Understandable; I have nothing much to say on this without more information. I might come back to this on D3.
You've repeatedly stated that you didn't like KevinM and have been chomping at the bit towards him. Either you know something we don't, or you've gone into this hoping he's scum and looking for any crumb of evidence to pick up on. This doesn't make your guesses wrong, just dangerous.
"We can't rely on guesswork, so your point is null."
Well there's only two (three if there's another independent role) sides available. If town, then what? If scum, then what? Help me follow your logic.
Coasting only implies a scum tell given the current situation; there are multiple scum tells that would be fairly obvious if someone slipped up, and I am well aware on the necessity in keeping them secret. However, none of these can show up if the scum keeps quiet. Putting pressure on them to post is the only way I can force them to screw up. Getting Chill was lucky; he did nothing scummy at all, he just coasted. The odds of getting another scum because of him coasting is ridiculously small, especially since we're currently only putting one player in the spotlight.
Mentioning them might as well be a spotlight in mafia =P
Uh... what?
[/quote]you at the start of all this said:
I think you answered your own question here.
o_O
I meant good for you.
Noted. I'll be waiting patiently.
However, acting upon that would be foolish because there is absolutely no way to confirm this. Outguessing the mod is never cool.
On reread I was looking for interactions Chill made with people and vice versa. It was mostly the KevinM show. Sue me for not liking the way Kevin acted in this game.
Unlike you, we've got nothing else to go on. We considered trying to vote and using the consequences to clear us and then went to think about the possible scenarios that would follow such an action. True, it could be worth it to clear us, but it could also really, REALLY screw things up. We're not trying to pass our guesses off as fact, we're trying to inform people of what we think could happen. If you have an idea different from the possibilities we mentioned, by all means, share.
Again, when the time comes. Kevin is a much better play, atm, so I'd prefer not to warn Kirbyo of what's to come.
One player with who has made pretty minimal input. Besides, it's not like we have any intention of letting people off with not taking a stance here.
So you would rather swing this spotlight onto someone else? I think you'd be much better served by making them take a stance on the issue at hand.
You've established this chain (assuming you're talking about KevinM->Scamp->Us). No one else has supported it yet. I don't think it'll go down like that even if Kevin flips scum.
And Mayling and Hilt. Want to see posts because Chaco and Jungle left us with nothing.
Yet you say we need to stop focusing on Kevin in order to examine lurkers. Why is that?
I (Ryker) did. Xonar constructed the last post. You will find that I (Ryker) am a extremely decisive person. I see no reason to do something if you aren't going to commit. Let's put it this way. If deadline were in five minutes and I had to choose the lynch, it would be KevinM. I'm perfectly fine with his lynch, but we have plenty of time to see if something else comes up first.
1.) Chill was lurking and we didn't have anything to solid that we could band together on.
That was really only the case in that part of D1, later on Ryker came back and we pretty much discussed every post we made thus far.
because you skim
I may have skimmed today's posts so far, but I didn't skim on day 1. Town didn't really ask you to hammer. Kirby asked you and McFox said that "someone needs to." Xonar apparently knew that Ryker was going to make a big post and asked that no one hammer before that. Ryker's big post didn't even hammer, but asked Chill to claim.
-hangs head- Did you not see where I called out McFox as scum in my last post? Our minds are linked, and we're really good at reading each other considering we met over the internet.
VERSUS
Normally I don't go to the flavor for much evidence, but as you can see, Ignatius was found in the sewers... Where the turtles are? And the turtles are our enemy, are they not?
if your "don't anyone hammer yet" post is what keeps us from a lynch toDay.
