Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Because I'm stupid and I feel like it! =)Dude why your advertising your video on the DeDeDe boards? go spam the Video boards.
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- † King DeDeDe's MetaGame Discussion † -
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Fogo
Smash Shinigami
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Oh yeah I remember now.
Guys, when playing against Ike and hes recovering right below a ledge with his upB, immediately do F-tilt, but keep a little space so you don't get hit by the upcoming sword. It's amazing, and it's satisfying. It is very easy to time it too, right when he rises from saying "aether".
It helps a lot for this matchup and it'll work more than once. (Spam it at that moment!!)
I hope this helps!
Guys, when playing against Ike and hes recovering right below a ledge with his upB, immediately do F-tilt, but keep a little space so you don't get hit by the upcoming sword. It's amazing, and it's satisfying. It is very easy to time it too, right when he rises from saying "aether".
It helps a lot for this matchup and it'll work more than once. (Spam it at that moment!!)
I hope this helps!
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
I've not heard anyone say this, but dair to bair is true combo.
Just makin sure we all know this.
Just makin sure we all know this.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Yes that's correct crashic, good job! =D. Obviously the opponent must be at 0-20% though.
WingedKnight
Smash Ace
The angling of the Dee Throw can make a minor difference, sometimes it helps. Same goes for smash vs. tilt of stick. That little extra loft from smash/up can confuse peoples! >:-)
IMO, King Dedede is by nature one of the best characters in the game (once mastered, he isn't that easy when starting out!). This is why he is considered such. He isn't a constantly-evolving, fluid, advancing metagame type character like Snake. Every once in a while we come across something neat, but for the most part he stays pretty much as is. And yet, even as everyone else progresses "beyond" him, he remains simply amazing and owns pretty much everyone! <3 I do fear he may slip a bit on the next tier list (Cuz, liek, the TIRE LIST is all that matters, amirite?), but I think its fairly clear he will remain in the top ranks.
IMO, King Dedede is by nature one of the best characters in the game (once mastered, he isn't that easy when starting out!). This is why he is considered such. He isn't a constantly-evolving, fluid, advancing metagame type character like Snake. Every once in a while we come across something neat, but for the most part he stays pretty much as is. And yet, even as everyone else progresses "beyond" him, he remains simply amazing and owns pretty much everyone! <3 I do fear he may slip a bit on the next tier list (Cuz, liek, the TIRE LIST is all that matters, amirite?), but I think its fairly clear he will remain in the top ranks.
Jupz
Smash Master
Yeah no matter what happens king dedede will always have his grab and bair :D
except against ice climbers
except against ice climbers
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Oh come on, the tier list just shows the likelihood of one character to win, just by tournament results!It does not change the matchups entirely. Skill and strategy overrule tier lists much more. Here is a video of what I am talking about. This is all just my opinion and I feel it's true at times.
Skill > Tiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iRSVfID6kE
Skill > Tiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iRSVfID6kE
Jupz
Smash Master
That is true. Dededes will always be in the top few ranks anyway, so its not like we have anything to worry about. Its not at all like were maining a BAD character. Because he isnt advancing dosent mean hes still not good 
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Yeah, but it doesn't matter about the player. The player just shows that his skill can overcome higher tiers like Marth
. That's awesome though with Boss.
Buuman
Smash Ace
Yes it does matter about the player, you're contradicting yourself now lol.Yeah, but it doesn't matter about the player. The player just shows that his skill can overcome higher tiers like Marth
~Boss knocked me into losers at ECRC cataclysm 4 (Final event)
His luigi is too good
I'm suprissed DDD hasn't dropped drastically from his spot on the tier list like I predicted so many months ago. DDD is good and can hold his own, but he gets couter picked way to easily and his metagame does NOT change. Last thing I heard that was new about DDD was tech chasing with d-throw and that was literally months ago. He is good, but he should not be in top tier. I still don't know how he go there (probably because of the snake vs. DDD matchup). DDD is only good as a secondary pretty much
He def is not one of the best characters in the game. And in terms of potential he's one of the worst.
WingedKnight
Smash Ace
How DARE you insult the King!!!
LOL. You may well be right. Who knows? Who cares? Dedede still rocks everyone's socks in terms of pure liquified awesomeness. The tier list matters not.
LOL. You may well be right. Who knows? Who cares? Dedede still rocks everyone's socks in terms of pure liquified awesomeness. The tier list matters not.
sMexy-Blu
Smash Lord
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Get out son.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Wow you know what I mean. Doesn't matter what character one plays with on the tier list. Skill >>> Tiers if you know how to use your character against others, which is how his Luigi beat you. -_-
He-is-more-skilled-than-you, when he beat your top(high) tier DDD by his middle Luigi.
Ah crap I double posted on accident. . .-_-.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Are you serious? It doesn't matter where he should be or how he is top tier. It's just by tournament results, and King Dedede seems to win more in tournaments, so it's not a choice of him being top tier at all, it just happens you dingdong -_-.
Ah crap I double posted on accident...-_-.
T3h Albino
Smash Master
we should discuss luigi without the infinite <_<
Jupz
Smash Master
luigi is too good with no infinite free combos
free combos
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Spamming F-Tilt when he's close when he's about to do aerials stops him completely, and he's susceptible to camping because of his light***. =)luigi is too good with no infinite
Tier lists reference tourney results but are not based solely on them. How many tournies does DDD actually win alone? Are there any?
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
I don't know dude but nobody needs to countertalk what I said because it's true. . .don't even bother.
. . . . .
You do know that the Smash Back Room's Tier list isn't based on placements. They Rate every Character. They're rated on Pros, Cons, Combos, Kill ability, Survival ability, Tournament Placings and Character match ups.
The Tiers matter. They're made to inform. It's made by the Back Room <People who Know They're Shizz>.
^^^This is Common knowledge stuff that every one knows/should know. > .>
You do know that the Smash Back Room's Tier list isn't based on placements. They Rate every Character. They're rated on Pros, Cons, Combos, Kill ability, Survival ability, Tournament Placings and Character match ups.
The Tiers matter. They're made to inform. It's made by the Back Room <People who Know They're Shizz>.
^^^This is Common knowledge stuff that every one knows/should know. > .>
Jupz
Smash Master
Does our ftilt outprioritize luigi's downb?
Excellence
Smash Champion
Where do you guys think Dedede shines most, in the air or on the ground?
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Against you?
In the air.
Ya Olimar
In the air.
Ya Olimar
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Bah whatever Dfat (<---lol), I can't believe you.
And Mr. Juppies: When Luigi is sliding with his tornado down the stage and you do F-tilt, it'll cancel both attacks, which is great because it slows Luigi down, and you can do a down tilt or another f-tilt after
. F-tilt doesn't have priority though, but it's okay.
Jupz
Smash Master
Ok, thanks for that
WingedKnight
Smash Ace
Yes, the FTilt stoppage is useful against Weegee Cyclone. It's SO annoying when they spam it to get past your Waddles, and its so satisfying to repeatedly cancel it! XD
RATED
Smash Lord
ROFL , LOL! , u make my day , I haven't posted here for years... but I am back.( I been playing all that time though) now ( run , shield grab, down throw, jump foward, inhale) XD
wario can't escape even with DI is Inescapable. btw I don't know if this is known but ddd can down throw to dsmash bowser ( they can't di out of this) and DK ( but this requires timing, u got to do a very little movement forward and then Dsmash)
I don't have vids of this since I don't have cam. but u could test this.
sMexy-Blu
Smash Lord
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I just saw something really weird.
I was checking through all my replays till I found this.
It was D3 vs Sonic.
I was trying to do Utilt juggles.
I did one Utilt.
When I did the second one the Sonic got spiked down.
I never noticed this till I actually saw the replay, this happened a very long time ago but I just happened to notice it like 4 month laters.
Utilt hitbox spikes at a certain part and/or frame?
I have the replay I need someone to upload it to Youtube.
EDIT: Ok I just re watched the replay and yes the sonic clearly got spiked in a downward angle (he didnt die but he was sent downwards to the stage) He was hit at the part when D3 sits other his hammer -- at the bottom part of the Utilt hitbox.
LOLWUT
I was checking through all my replays till I found this.
It was D3 vs Sonic.
I was trying to do Utilt juggles.
I did one Utilt.
When I did the second one the Sonic got spiked down.
I never noticed this till I actually saw the replay, this happened a very long time ago but I just happened to notice it like 4 month laters.
Utilt hitbox spikes at a certain part and/or frame?
I have the replay I need someone to upload it to Youtube.
EDIT: Ok I just re watched the replay and yes the sonic clearly got spiked in a downward angle (he didnt die but he was sent downwards to the stage) He was hit at the part when D3 sits other his hammer -- at the bottom part of the Utilt hitbox.
LOLWUT
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Whoa that's crazy.
By the way Smexy, you once asked for a set up for the jab lock, upchuck on Luigi's Mansion dude.
By the way Smexy, you once asked for a set up for the jab lock, upchuck on Luigi's Mansion dude.
WingedKnight
Smash Ace
O_O
Smexy, if you can firgure out how this is done...
IDK, could it be put to use? As a situational, sick-timing-required, must-be-in-just-the-right-place edgeguard?
Smexy, if you can firgure out how this is done...
IDK, could it be put to use? As a situational, sick-timing-required, must-be-in-just-the-right-place edgeguard?
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
It would finally give us a spike and a set up for a jab lock.
WingedKnight
Smash Ace
I'm gonna try to figure this out, if anyone learns more, post! It could be helpful...
WingedKnight
Smash Ace
It will be an intriguing advancement if it can be replicated...
sMexy-Blu
Smash Lord
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Ok guys here is the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTwqu3xrh4o&feature=channel_page
Somethings you'd want to notice are:
Sonic was hit just below King DeDeDe's left arm and got spiked down into the stage, a normal Utilt would of sent Sonic upwards.
The first Utilt I did caused 13%, I though the maximum damage an Utilt could was 12%?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTwqu3xrh4o&feature=channel_page
Somethings you'd want to notice are:
Sonic was hit just below King DeDeDe's left arm and got spiked down into the stage, a normal Utilt would of sent Sonic upwards.
The first Utilt I did caused 13%, I though the maximum damage an Utilt could was 12%?
WingedKnight
Smash Ace
I'm hoping we can figure out the exact timing on this. It seems to have some use if we can get it down to a science. Judging by the fact we just discovered it though, it may not be too easy. I'm gonna work on it.