Brawl 64 - Don't Get Hit

[Tommy_G]

I'm pretty sure adding more stun to samus's Uair won't hurt. IIRC it gave frame advantage to the one getting hit in SSB64.

Same with fair, except uair gave a bit more of an advantage. Uair was like reactable advantage rather than just frame advantage.

Things that annoy me with Samus:
Above stuff
Usmash use is severly diminished by its start up lag.
People DI-ing out of up-b.
Down B taking double jumps
Down B taking a while before Samus can do other things.
Terribad grab but acceptable imo if DI-ing out of up-b becomes extremely difficult.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

It's nowhere near as easy as you think it is. I'm matching fall, walking, etc. speeds EXACTLY to 64. This takes a lot of work, a lot of testing, and quite a lot of time.

Taunt canceling is a code.

Also, I'd be matching knockback to 64 as well. As nobody has ever ripped the knockback values from 64, this is again trial and error.

It's NOT as simple as you're making it out to be. You also have to factor in that my entire life does not revolve around this project. I have school. I am trying to get into college.

Note that, as well, some of the more trash characters - I'm looking at you Samus - will be getting buffs, and that there are 25 new characters who need movesets.

If you'd like to apply to be on the team, either send me a PM or catch me on Skype. Don't post in the thread talking about stuff you don't know.

You never hit me up again...

Sorry but Samus is not trash and no one is in Smash 64. It's a pretty balanced game and I hope you'll leave the original characters exactly as they are.

Err... Wut? I was under the impression Samus was severely underpowered.

Can't edit individual hitstun on moves. I will however make it framesafe.

You can edit some factors, especially on multihit/fixed knockback moves, you can mess with the hitstun by using angle 16D and messing with BKB/WKB/KBG.

 

[Tommy_G]

Err... Wut? I was under the impression Samus was severely underpowered.

She is, but the nature of the game allows her to still perform well. It's not like bottom tier in Brawl or Melee where the players have 0 chance to do well.

It's probably one of the most balanced fighting games out there.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Yeah, don't worry BPC, I haven't forgotten you.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

She is, but the nature of the game allows her to still perform well. It's not like bottom tier in Brawl or Melee where the players have 0 chance to do well.

It's probably one of the most balanced fighting games out there.

That is mainly by virtue of having very few characters. I mean, if I took the top 12 characters from Brawl and made a game with just them, that'd be pretty balanced too.

 

[Tommy_G]

Brawl and Melee=top 5 win tournaments

Smash 64= every character can win a tournament.
A Samus won a Japanese tournament last summer.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Brawl and Melee=top 5 win tournaments

Smash 64= every character can win a tournament.
A Samus won a Japanese tournament last summer.

This is in part due to the under-developed metagame, and again: the lack of characters. When you say that only the top 5 win tournaments, I assume you are basing that purely off of majors (majors which both Brawl and Melee have A LOT more of).

 

[Tommy_G]

This is in part due to the under-developed metagame, and again: the lack of characters. When you say that only the top 5 win tournaments, I assume you are basing that purely off of majors (majors which both Brawl and Melee have A LOT more of).

Lol at metagame being under-developed. Go play on kaillera against someone who isn't brain dead.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I've played on Kaillera against people who aren't brain dead and I normally get 3 or 4 stocked.

The meta-game is still under-developed compared to Melee & Brawl.

 

[Fireblaster]

This is in part due to the under-developed metagame, and again: the lack of characters. When you say that only the top 5 win tournaments, I assume you are basing that purely off of majors (majors which both Brawl and Melee have A LOT more of).

Did you just claim SSB64 has an under-developed metagame?

You get owned by average SSB64 players and claim it's under-developed with what basis again?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Until everyone starts playing at Isai's level, I'm keeping my opinion.

 

[Fireblaster]

Until everyone starts playing at Isai's level, I'm keeping my opinion.

Melee has an under-developed meta-game. Until everyone starts playing at Mango's level, I'm keeping my opinion.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Except people do almost play at Mango's level... It's not like he consistently 4 stocks the best players in the world.

 

[Fireblaster]

Except people do almost play at Mango's level... It's not like he consistently 4 stocks the best players in the world.

>he thinks Isai consistently 4 stocks the best players

The more you post, the more it seems like you know nothing about ssb64.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

>he thinks Isai consistently 4 stocks the best players

Actually, I don't think Isai consistently 4 stocks the best players.

If I did think that, I would have actually said it.

 

[MattNF]

lol @ grimfandango

 

[Fireblaster]

Actually, I don't think Isai consistently 4 stocks the best players.

If I did think that, I would have actually said it.

Then your entire argument is pointless and your opinion has no base.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSqUgNmQ-WQ - 3 Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKB-kO8kJTE&feature=related - Almost a JV 3 Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t4TS7AgCnc&feature=related - 3 Stock

He could do that to almost any player with almost any character :/

 

[MattNF]

Uh, kefit is no where near being good.

Just stop arguing. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Fireblaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSqUgNmQ-WQ - 3 Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKB-kO8kJTE&feature=related - Almost a JV 3 Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t4TS7AgCnc&feature=related - 3 Stock

He could do that to almost any player with almost any character :/

So to prove your argument, you post a single series of Isai vs a player that isn't close to being "one of the best". Once again, your lack of SSb64 knowledge of further shown by your posts.

What does this have to do with SSB64 having an "under-developed metagame" anyways?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Please, tell me the name of someone who is "one of the best" and can actually compete with Isai.

 

[kenshen]

ok ok stop arguing any way back on topic tl is like my main will his up b be improved in any way

 

[Grim Tuesday]

His Up-B doesn't really need an improvement when compared to everyone's recovery from Smash 64 already (excluding Pikachu, obviously).

 

[kenshen]

well he cant do any attacks till he lands whereas link can do down a spike while in the air from his down b

 

[Tommy_G]

Please, tell me the name of someone who is "one of the best" and can actually compete with Isai.

Someone beat Isai not too long ago in a tournament iirc. Everyone made a big deal about Hyrule being a campfest stage because of it.

Correct me if I'm mistaken Fireblaster.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Is there a video? I'm more interested in seeing it for someone playing campy on Hyrule, rather than Isai losing.

 

[King Funk]

Err... Wut? I was under the impression Samus was severely underpowered.

She is definitely not underpowered. All I can tell you is that in 64, mid and low tiers can't be compared to Melee or Brawl low tiers, but rather respectively to high and mid tiers. They are all viable in their own regards, even if some are obviously better than others.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Ahh, 64, the game in which Samus could actually kill with Charge Shot.

 

[kenshen]

samus charge shot in 64 = :D

 

[GP&B]

Melee Charge Shot.

But I'm not saying you're wrong. Charge Shot was at its best in 64 save for its speed and charge time.

 

[MonkUnit]

Make sure that once the charge shot is fully charged, it goes to wait 1. So you charge -> wait 1, just like in ssb64.

 

[kenshen]

may i ask whats being done for pit as well ???

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Yes, you may ask.

 

[Super_Smash_Kid]

^ Lmao
10lmaos

 

[kenshen]

Yes, you may ask.

LOL whats being done for pit

 

[Zef]

give him a sex kick and ditch the gayass nair

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Yeah, he's getting a traditional NAir, obviously. I'm also toying with the idea of either drastically increasing arrow control or reducing it to zero. If I reduce it to zero, Pit will focus on the other things that make him unique, like having many, many multi-hit moves. If I increase the control, he'll focus on arrows. They won't be as spammable, however.

That's all I'm really going to say at the moment.


With regards to the thread title, my life is suddenly busy. VERY busy.

Expect things to get underway around mid-March, when I should have most things out of the way and a new laptop.

So until then, use this thread to talk about the newcomers. I will be paying attention, and I will be keeping note of interesting suggestions.

~Supreme Dirt

 

[Super_Smash_Kid]

What about that demo you said you *might* release since the original 12 were already done or something? Not gonna happen huh? :/

 

[kenshen]

Yeah, he's getting a traditional NAir, obviously. I'm also toying with the idea of either drastically increasing arrow control . If I increase the control, he'll focus on arrows.
~Supreme Dirt

yes 10 yes

 

[Supreme Dirt]

No, I said when the original 12 were finished I might release a demo. They aren't already done.

Key word *might*.