Brawl Common Courtesy.. Are You A Respectful Brawler?

[Hydra.]

Im going to post examples of some team names that might be ..yea.. from NO KOAST, the last tourny I went to.

Of course we all laugh at it, we want to fit and and have a good time and be like wth kind of team name is that? But then again, how far is too far?

Team names at tournys I have seen-

But I Poop From There!
Kuni, The Tornado Smells Like Black People
Don't Touch our Monkey Balls you Jive *** Monkey!
8 bit Porn
Chip Damage! Got Ya *****!

 

[Kinzer]

Well, in that case just be literal with them and tell them it's the plural form of Diddy... even though AFAIK there is only one. Perhaps the name I found jus treaded the line, but there's nothing wrong with names like:

"We're feeding the pot"
"Sonic needs low tires?"
"Hey look, those guys are up next."
"All we do is spam Nado."

Blah blah blah. Don't ask me how I came up with them please. I do suppose as long as you're not going out of your way to insult a certain person/group, you're fine... probably could use it as a joke but again, you're better safe than sorry if you won't want to tread that line.

 

[Hydra.]

I updated the first post.

 

[chandy]

Wow I gotta say it... Nice pictures on the 1st post. I don't have anything to contribute to the current discussion though :/

 

[*_Echo_*]

i dont see a problem with it as long as ur being funny and not an *** im fine with whatever team name u come up with

 

[.Marik]

This is an awesome thread.

As for taunting, people are allowed to do it. It's the manner in which they do it, which may be offensive.

So, if a cocky Smasher grins and laughs at you, when all he did is Spam, then yeah... I'll be pretty frustrated also.

Common sense should apply to Team Names. No racist or sexist names.

Yeah, I'll write more sometime later. I need to depart now.

 

[Nicole]

Most people at tournaments are 17 - 22 year old guys, so you can't expect G rated team names. BUT they shouldn't be R-rated either. Just no racism, sexism, and minimal cursing. Sexual innuendos should be totally allowed, because they're funny! Also, if there are kids at the tournament, they won't understand the sexual ones

 

[MBreeto]

Did you really take quotes out that said how good this thread was and put them in the first post? lol wow.

Anyways, I think for tags and such, anything goes. I mean honestly, it's not like the tournaments are being sponsored or anything, so it shouldn't matter. Unless mlg starts looking again at bring smash back, then maybe it wouldn't look so good to be seeing ridiculous team names, but that shouldn't matter either.

 

[Barge]

It shouldn't matter if your name/tag has cuss words. If people get serious and over-react to them, its their problem.

 

[Zaffy]

For me, Taunts as just a little bit of a joke, I don't put anything too mean, like "Oh jesus you're crap" Or anything rude, instead, i put something which, is more of a joke than anything.

For example, my 3 taunts are:
Ni Thiguim
(I don't know in Irish, it's funny cause no one knows what the hell you're talking about :D)
I say, that was easy
(Just as a small thing when an opponent fails to recover or I combo them to death)
Smoooth
(When opponent fails in one way or another)

And i don't have a taunt for one of them

Basically, i think, unless a taunt is directly insulting someone's skill or insulting them, it shouldn't be taken seriously, as this is just a game.

Edit:
Whoops, too slow

Team names, nothing rude, nothing sexist/racist/agist or offensive to anyone.
If i was running a tournament and someone did have a team name which was something say, You're F**king crap, or once again, used as an insult, i'd tell them to either use or a new name or they can't enter,

I wouldn't want to announce the winners as "You're F**king crap"

 

[Lemonwater]

Well, I personally consider cursing to be vulgar and crude, so I do my best to refrain from cursing, both in-game and in life. It goes without saying that I would be one to oppose giving teams questionable names. Some are tolerable, but I think racist and/or sexist team names should really be avoided.

 

[*_Echo_*]

But I Poop From There!
Kuni, The Tornado Smells Like Black People
Don't Touch our Monkey Balls you Jive *** Monkey!
8 bit Porn
Chip Damage! Got Ya *****!

lmao those team names are hilarious

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I'd have to say that the names shouldn't have any specific bad word in them that people can point out and have a problem with. "They have nice Diddies" can be covered up by saying, "That team likes the character Diddy Kong", but all of the older players will still catch the inside joke without traumatising the little kids. If a name actually HAS a bad word or phrase in it, then I can see the problem. People can skirt around it though, and the message will still get across. Instead of "Gorillas kick (ash )", you could say "Gorillas kick Grass".

If younger kids are expected at lower tournaments, then names and such should be something that they wouldn't have a problem with (I personally don't see why we have to avoid too much in this day and age anyway, with all of the hidden messages in cartoons now a days anyway). But the upper level tournaments that typically have more experienced (and more likely older) players, the more likely that those messages will be more expected, and the more likely that younger players (who's fragile youthful psychies shouldn't be exposed to it) aren't going to be making the scene (without having been exposed to it already).

I personally have absolutely no issue with race. I've accepted that we are all Ingredients in the soup of life, prepared by your religious deity of choice, and that race is just spice used to make that soup more tasty. I''ve also accepted that some ingredients are more sensitve than others, and I will make a note to watch out for them though. And as for the "They have nice Diddies" sexual reference, I'll be honest, I find that hilarious. Maybe it's just because I'm a guy, but I just kinda shake that and other comments off with nary a second thought. But again, we shouldn't be TRYING to scar anyone for life with our names. That's what the actual battle is for.

 

[Barge]

Racist ones I dont have a problem with as long as one of the teammates is the race they're joking about.
Because then its obviously a joke. I have a lot of black friends and they make fun of their own race, its kind of funny.

If its like "******* suck" and both people are like, white, then yes. It's a problem.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

That is another thing about Race. We shouldn't try to insult another's rave that we aren't. I do love requesting that we go eat Chicken after a match though. (Racially, I'm mixed between Black and White, with Isralli (I can't spell) ancestory, and religiously (which I don't think anyone's team name deserves to make fun of religion, since no one truly knows if they are right or not) I am a Messianic Jew, which is basically a combination of Jewish and Christian beliefs, faiths, and customs.)

Sorry about talking about myself for a second. I just felt like sharing my view point.

I did see one team that I thought was funny. One was white, and another was of hispanic desent, and their team name was "We hate Cracker Launchers!" I laughed the first time I saw that, since it was an Item Tournament.

 

[Falconv1.0]

lol@the word 'inappropriate'

Sorry if we use words that make people cry, this is a video game tourney, expect lots of ****s, *****es, ***, ****, ****s, Falconv1's making jokes about asian whores, and often times explicit use of the n word. I've been to many tourneys with awesome team names, some I dont exactly feel inclined to repeat, others were more funny and sarcastic like "We dont like black people" and the two people in it were black, and whenever their name was called they would say "Yeah, **** those black people"

However I think if you were overly racist I'd think community justice would prolly pwn you hard since America loves racist bashing.

 

[Plum]

It all depends on the environment.
At a small tournament where there could be some younger kids then you should try to keep profanity out of Smash.
Even if you notice that the kid is taking part of it himself (and let's be honest, young kids seem to know more than they should) than at least try to make a clean environment. What if that kid's mom comes to pick him up after the tourney, walks into the vendor and is seeing/hearing things she doesn't want her kid to be a part of? I would guess that he isn't coming to another tourney in the near future and we don't want to see that kind of thing happen.

On the opposite side, if you found yourself at a big regional tourney where the only people who are going to be there the top players (older and more "mature") then why not? If everyone at the tourney is old enough to not care, then why should you? But don't take it too far obviously. Something like race jokes can be told in a manner where they are obviously a joke among friends but what if person "X" takes it the wrong way? Anything can go too far and it is just about knowing where that line is.

 

[Falconv1.0]

I should note I've seen mom's at tourneys and they appear to hear the cussing and I've never really seen them react to it, which has always confused me. If my mom heard my tourneys buds yelling profanities she'd hold it over my head for God knows how long.

Guess some kids are just lucky.

 

[Barge]

Falcon, that team name is hilarious.
But yeah, its obviously a joke. If people over-react thats their **** fault.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

If it's a joke or something, or not ment to be really offensive, then it's fine.

If it's something that's occuring at older levels of play, it's also fine.

But still, at small little party like tournaments, or opening rounds, there are going to be lots of little people, and we shouldn't go out of our way to teach them things they just aren't ready to know...

And we shouldn't try to Insult anyone else. Making jokes (I remember another team, named "We Love Chicken", both members were black, and they used Dedede and Falco. Priceless) is fine, but we shouldn't try to HURT anyone else. Those years are long past.

 

[Nicole]

This thread is on the wrong page...

I think alot of the responsibility of team names rests with the TO. The TO will know if there are kids present and actually has control over people's team names. If there aren't any kids around, I don't see anything wrong with curse words/some race jokes (as long as neither of those are taken too far) in mature settings, you come to tournaments to have a good time and joke around, not to be censored.

 

[mk606]

Aw gee i dont know if u can have common courtesy while being MK so...and when im not im usually spamming so i guess i have no common courtesy...

 

[AvaricePanda]

others were more funny and sarcastic like "We dont like black people" and the two people in it were black, and whenever their name was called they would say "Yeah, **** those black people"

I lol'd so hard.

Again, it really depends at the setting. If this was a local tournament where there are a bunch of kids, it's not impossible to name your team something not vulgar. But most of the smash community is made up of 16-21 year olds or something around there, I'd suppose, so of course it's not going to be G rated.

 

[godofrock72]

I really haven't played any friendly or tournament matches, but I have played online. When I play online, I know how it feels when I'm down by 5 and the other person just keeps pouring the coals. I'm not saying you should let somebody win, but don't just constantly start T-bagging and knocking them off every time there's a lag-spike. I guess I'm just saying that if you're up by 5, take it easy for a little while. Go back and defend yourself. Don't purposely fall off, but just go easy on glitching, and focus a little more on defense instead of offense.

 

[PCHU]

Is it really THAT hard to be clean?

Some people seem like they go out of their way to make some sick joke.
I didn't see any of that in the tourney I went to, but even so, I've heard some weird stuff.

At my first and only tourney, I was teamed up with a mediocre Luigi.
He seemed to forget that fsmash is freakin' powerful.
For some reason, he barely got any kills, and I had to fend for myself.
He named our team the Mario Brothers.
I was Ike......

The two best people at the tourney (well, I'm on par with, if not better than them now) teamed.
We didn't really stand much of a chance, since the host didn't know chaingrabbing was in Brawl, and the others were just as clueless.
Besides, I placed third, and I hadn't even played Brawl in 4 weeks.

To sum it all up:
I stuck with a stupid name and an average team mate and got creamed.
So can you (hopefully minus the "creamed" part).

 

[KrazyGlue]

1. I would gimp the Ivysaur. It's part of the game, and it should have used razor leaf. The same goes for all tether users. I don't think it's mean or it ruins the fun. I would only hold back if they specifically ask me to, or else they are accepting their fate.

2. Now that is cheap. I would never do that to someone in singles, because one simple mistake by a heavy character can pretty much ruin the match for them. It's mean and takes little skill. All it shows is that you will do anything to win. At least with gimping, the other person can get out of it. That's really the key. Do you at least give your opponent a chance to survive? If not, it's probably disrespectful/unfair.

3. This is a bit cheap, but most people will be able to survive anyway, unless they have a char with crappy recovery.

4. Tripping isn't random; they tried to do too much at once. Punish them.

5. I HATE TAUNTS! CRUSH THEM!!! A more interesting discussion would be: Should you taunt when you kill you opponent?

 

[Heartz♥]

Lol @ this entire thread

I must say, the attempts at vulgarity and rudeness is just out of attention, like most 8 year-olds. I, for one, find only a few of the things humorous. But most people just go extremely overboard.

To answer the question (to stay on topic ultimately) I find myself quite the respectful brawler in many ways. I'm respectful in general, why should it be so different virtually?

Seriously, most of us are 12 year-olds who arent even legally supposed to play the game, so it is bad enough when someone has profanity and any other obscenities involved in their taunt. Their parents may walk in on it. Then they cant play wifi anymore. It may SOUND funny, but i would feel pretty darn bad if that were to happen because of me. People go insane without Brawl. I should know...

Even MOAR input: Discretion.

You can NOT not keep yourself from being disrespectful. There's no way. People actually go out of their way to do it, and its sad. You'd think these people would be too lazy to even deal with Taunt Messages. Symptoms of the dysfunctional. <-- I soooooo went there.

But I am not one to truly judge. People find it entertaining. Other people who let it bother them are most likely hypocrites. "U caynt du wut i can du." That sort of thing.

To put an end to the rambling, it is easier to be respectful than NOT not be disrespectful. *thumbsup*

 

[KrazyGlue]

Well, you're right...

But that's over generalizing. I've fought plenty of people who don't use vulgar taunts. And I am actually legally allowed to play the game (even for people under 13, it's not illegal). I would also bet that about 80% of the people here are telling the truth about their age.

But I definitely agree that nobody has perfect brawl manners. When money is on the line, people will do whatever it takes. And I can't necessarily blame them. Who wants to lose money? And most tournament players will be well trained in avoiding bad situations, plus they had to know what was possible when they signed up. In terms of friendlies, if your friend doesn't specifically ask you to go easy on them, they probably do want you to do everything you can to win.

 

[Heartz♥]

Well, you're right...

But that's over generalizing. I've fought plenty of people who don't use vulgar taunts. And I am actually legally allowed to play the game (even for people under 13, it's not illegal). I would also bet that about 80% of the people here are telling the truth about their age.

But I definitely agree that nobody has perfect brawl manners. When money is on the line, people will do whatever it takes. And I can't necessarily blame them. Who wants to lose money? And most tournament players will be well trained in avoiding bad situations, plus they had to know what was possible when they signed up. In terms of friendlies, if your friend doesn't specifically ask you to go easy on them, they probably do want you to do everything you can to win.

Over generalizing? Of course. It can easily be done over the interwebz.

But yes, you can only be SO respectful, unless being honorable is on a different boat. I don't edgehog naturally, but if I'm playing a cocky Snake mainer, of course I will do it. THAT is where the hypocrisy lies.

 

[doom dragon 105]

In friendlies I have respect in a tourney, hey if I can gimp you oh well sucks for you

 

[Hydra.]

Seriously, most of us are 12 year-olds who arent even legally supposed to play the game, so it is bad enough when someone has profanity and any other obscenities involved in their taunt. Their parents may walk in on it. Then they cant play wifi anymore. It may SOUND funny, but i would feel pretty darn bad if that were to happen because of me. People go insane without Brawl. I should know..."


That point is really good.

 

[Hydra.]

Discussion 5:B: NOW OPEN DISSCUSS!
(First post updated.)

 

[Nicole]

This is a really good topic.

If the venue doesn't allow outside food or drinks, then you shouldn't bring any in, and that's that. The TO has worked hard to organize the tournament and acquire the venue and make the whole day happen, and by not following the rules, you're basically saying to the TO "I'm ungrateful and I don't respect you at all."

Don't want to eat the venue food? THEN LEAVE! Go eat food somewhere. Then come back. It's so simple. Every tournament I've ever been to gave at least 30 minutes for a break. That gives you a perfect solution to avoid breaking the rules.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Seriously, most of us casual players are 12 year-olds who arent even legally supposed to play the game...

Fixed that for ya.

 

[AranOcean]

It depends. I can trash talk when I want to,but I can be nice (not a sore winner/loser) when I want to. Heck, one of my taunt comments is a complment (Good ****).

 

[Hydra.]

This is a really good topic.

If the venue doesn't allow outside food or drinks, then you shouldn't bring any in, and that's that. The TO has worked hard to organize the tournament and acquire the venue and make the whole day happen, and by not following the rules, you're basically saying to the TO "I'm ungrateful and I don't respect you at all."

Don't want to eat the venue food? THEN LEAVE! Go eat food somewhere. Then come back. It's so simple. Every tournament I've ever been to gave at least 30 minutes for a break. That gives you a perfect solution to avoid breaking the rules.

Great point .
Putting this in the first post for sure.

 

[Heartz♥]

Seriously, most of us are 12 year-olds who arent even legally supposed to play the game, so it is bad enough when someone has profanity and any other obscenities involved in their taunt. Their parents may walk in on it. Then they cant play wifi anymore. It may SOUND funny, but i would feel pretty darn bad if that were to happen because of me. People go insane without Brawl. I should know..."


That point is really good.

..My points have been acknowledged??? PRAISE NAYRU

To traverse on the path of the current topic...

I've been to only a few live tournies and yes, things can get pretty sticky and filthy. I don't see how you cannot eat before coming to a tournament to be THAT hungry...

Now, I'm not some snobby, elegant noble that only involves herself in activities of the utmost cleanliness and luxury. But still, if I gotta use the same facilities as a bunch of people that dont even keep their own place clean, I'm gonna have a problem regardless.

Considering the fact we are all a bunch of gaming, down-to-earth, dorky, quirky individuals, the thing we dont really have in common is the ability to maintain cleanliness wherever we go. I can understand being lazy and what not, but if a host/hostess was kind and willing enough to bring you into their own home (or rented space) you could make things a little easier for them atleast. Venues can only be so high, but you can understand why prices are they way they are. Its a pain trying to organize a group of smartalecks that think they are better than everyone in the same room.

 

[SPYMOFT]

I used to go to a small place for tournaments. People wouldn't dare to disobey the rules of the store or they saw themselves kicked out and barred from entering once again. A lot of the times rules were broken but without the owners knowing. Like in a card game tournament, people would scheme up things if you were in a group. Or in brawl tournaments, people would purposely lose to set the matches their way. That's being dishonest. You should play to the end. I find anyone who breaks any rules in a tournament to be an untrustworthy. I think I digressed a bit. XD

Anyways, people should follow any of the rules, no matter how stupid they may seem. It's almost as if you turn things around by changing stock matches to time/scored matches. Going against the rules is still going against the rules. No matter if its in game, or out.

 

[Denfo]

You should always into account the reason the rules are in place. Some establishments have very nice furnishings (good carpets, expensive tabletops, etc.) that would be ruined if drinks or whatnot got spilled on them. If this is the case, then you should definitely be following the rules. Of course most of these places would probably also have some type of 'you ruin it you pay for it' policy as well anyway.

On the other hand, sometimes the rules are in place only for the establishment to make a profit (overly expensive food/drinks without allowing outside food/drink to make more money). In cases like this I myself would probably break the rules simply because I see that as bad management. If you have to resort to forcing people to buy your own refreshments to make more money, you probably shouldn't be running the business. If this is truly the case (money problems), then the answer isn't to require them to buy your own things. You just need to let people know that, to be able to continue to host tournaments, gatherings, etc. then it would be a great help if they bought things from you instead of going somewhere else. It also helps if you keep the price range reasonable (no more than a dollar for a slice of pizza or canned drink, things like that). TO's/hosts don't get to be jerks just because they're in charge, they should practice good manners as well, and maybe even more so than the attendees. Remember, common courtesy goes a long way. ESPECIALLY with customers.

To wrap up my rant (which seems to be what it's become), don't be a nasty nancy if you get called out on a rule. You should've been informed of the rules and regulations of the establishment some time before or right as you entered the building (if you haven't, calmly address the issue with the organizer and don't just yell and throw things. That doesn't solve problems.). The fact is, no matter what the rules are, they're there for a reason. When you break them, and you consciously know that you're doing so, you can't be mad that you're getting in trouble for it like you knew you would if you got caught anyway. Face it, it's your fault you got caught, take responsibility for your actions.

 

[Plum]

One of the huge reasons to follow any rules of the hosting building is because of who will get blamed.

The tournament operator. Let's say a small tourney is in a local store. When that store is trashed, who is the owner going to complain to? The guy who brought the mess makers to the store in the first place.

Let's say there is a larger regional scale tournament going on. What if the building is the only building around capable of housing over 100 people/agree to the people coming in the first place? If the place is trashed the owner is going to have serious doubts about letting another tournament happen here again; my guess would be that he will say no next time around.

The TO is going to be blamed, the owner of the building isn't going to allow another tourney there again, and its the players' fault for being too lazy to pick up after themselves or follow some simple rules.