Brawl's Coding reveals intended character content

[UltiMario]

I guess I'll repost this, as nobody saw it.
I know Wikipedia is not a good source, as anyone can edit, but I gave it a shot and got this:
the 2nd find on Pra_mai was the first VG character on the list, which was a Chao.
Yes, the ones in Sonic.
I highly doubt this, but then again, its something

 

[Chepe]

Well, notice how "pra_mai" are together and could mean a duo. But Dixie is not together with Diddy so probably she was alone. And by the way, Toon Ganondorf is in SSE.

It seems like Sakurai went too excited with Toon characters :freak:

But Popo is separated from Nana on the list, look. It might be because of their different models (however slight). So Diddy and Dixie could have been on the same boat. I will bet Plusle and Minun began as two Pichus following each other and didnt get much developed on them before they got scrapped....

 

[Lipucd]

\effect\fighter\ef_dixie.pac, size:128 off:2A940A20

Why is no one interested in this?

Because right now we are trying to figure out if people from SSBM got cut due to time...

blarg...

 

[Captain Anthony]

I still can't help but wonder what this could mean. We need somebody to look more into this and find actual textures or something.

 

[Sephi_hatu]

And now to burst everyones bubble.

There are no files for Zamus's armor peices (the ones that fall off after the Final Smash). I deem this fake.

This wouldnt be the first elaborate hoax Ive seen though, I once read a 100 page halo 3 script. That was fake too....

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I still can't help but wonder what this could mean. We need somebody to look more into this and find actual textures or something.

Most likely it means nothing...

But if it did (unlikely) Downloadable character would be beyond awesome...even if some of them end up being clones

 

[Chepe]

And now to burst everyones bubble.

There are no files for Zamus's armor peices (the ones that fall off after the Final Smash). I deem this fake.

This wouldnt be the first elaborate hoax Ive seen though, I once read a 100 page halo 3 script. That was fake too....

Wouldnt those be considered... ITEMS?

 

[Captain Anthony]

And now to burst everyones bubble.

There are no files for Zamus's armor peices (the ones that fall off after the Final Smash). I deem this fake.

This wouldnt be the first elaborate hoax Ive seen though, I once read a 100 page halo 3 script. That was fake too....

Can anybody look more into this? Is he right? I'm too distracted to read through all the code.

 

[WarxePB]

The characters probably just got new Brawl models, but were scrapped early on as playable fighters. I don't see why they didn't use the models for Assist Trophies, though.

But the data's there, meaning that the models (and possibly certain animations) are in there. If we ever do get a Wii AR, we might be able to access the models and give them other characters' movesets. Or... we might get them as DLC.

 

[Bassoonist]

I want my Roy back.

 

[Your Hero]

Don't forget about Dr. Mario and Roy!

Yeah yeah, I heard about it 30 mins ago.
Dr. Mario? I would never put him in a Smash Game unless it was an anniversary edition.

I hate you guys D:
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Nice find, and by nice I mean A.MAZ.ING find. Thank you for posting it up, and seriously I'm hoping it's DLC (and that I don't miss on getting Doc Mario).

 

[MysticJon]

if the coding for the extra characters is already in the game, then they can definitely be made available as DLC through the VC.

 

[DeuceBlade]

This supports my theory of Hidden Coding in the games, Think Pokemon Ranger, Pokemon Battle Revolution and other games with hidden coding... The coding is all there it just needs to be unlocked by a special password or something else...

No one would ever know about manaphy in pokemon Ranger unless they entered into the coding.. and even then people didn't know how to access it.

 

[Sephi_hatu]

Wouldnt those be considered... ITEMS?

To emphasize my point, they're not there. As in, at all. Not with the items. Not with the characters.

These are the metroid related items:
\item\metroid\AsfMetroidBrres.pac, size:174080 off:2D3610DC
\item\metroid\ItmMetroidParam.pac, size:4032 off:2D38B8DC
\effect\assist\ef_metroid.pac, size:66528 off:2A1A0CA0

If this were real, it would seem to be screw attack and metroid assisst.

For comparisson, links bombs in the fake listing:
\item\linkbomb\ItmLinkBombBrres.pac, size:27808 off:2D27D97C
\item\linkbomb\ItmLinkBombParam.pac, size:3072 off:2D28461C

 

[Chepe]

Dont count on DLC though guys. I will bet it will be just like those two stages in Melee that never came to be (Akaneia and Icetop).

Unless there was someway to "patch" a character like Marth's coding with Roy's where possible, to get a Marth that plays like Roy. WOULD that be possible?

 

[Your Hero]

To emphasize my point, they're not there. As in, at all. Not with the items. Not with the characters.

These are the metroid related items:
\item\metroid\AsfMetroidBrres.pac, size:174080 off:2D3610DC
\item\metroid\ItmMetroidParam.pac, size:4032 off:2D38B8DC
\effect\assist\ef_metroid.pac, size:66528 off:2A1A0CA0

If this were real, it would seem to be screw attack and metroid assisst.

For comparisson, links bombs in the fake listing:
\item\linkbomb\ItmLinkBombBrres.pac, size:27808 off:2D27D97C
\item\linkbomb\ItmLinkBombParam.pac, size:3072 off:2D28461C

Actually, the metroid armour can still be under items, since what you found is only the AT.

look at this:

\item\stafy\AsfStafyBrres.pac, size:220384 off:2D5DD41C
\item\stafy\ItmStafyParam.pac, size:6624 off:2D6130FC

\item\resetsan\AsfResetsanBrres.pac, size:452192 off:2D433BDC
\item\resetsan\ItmResetsanParam.pac, size:242240 off:2D4A223C

\item\robin\AsfRobinBrres.pac, size:227296 off:2D4DD47C
\item\robin\ItmRobinParam.pac, size:4352 off:2D514C5C

\item\nintendogs\AsfNintendogsBrres.pac, size:83040 off:2D39DF3C
\item\nintendogs\ItmNintendogsParam.pac, size:2016 off:2D3B239C
\item\nintendogshi\AsfNintendogsHiBrres.pac, size:234144 off:2D3B2B7C
\item\nintendogshi\ItmNintendogsHiParam.pac, size:2656 off:2D3EBE1C

etc etc..

 

[TheDuplexDuo]

\effect\fighter\ef_dixie.pac, size:128 off:2A940A20
\effect\fighter\ef_mewtwo.pac, size:128 off:2AB67460
\effect\fighter\ef_nana.pac, size:128 off:2AB674E0
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoball.pac, size:128 off:2AE03900
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoboy.pac, size:128 off:2AE03980
\effect\fighter\ef_zakochild.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A00
\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_zelda.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF520
\effect\fighter\ef_roy.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780

I was just looking at the list, all these are of equal size, as Chepe said it is more plausable they could be just a costume change of sorts (Like the fighting alloys).

Yet again I have no leading expert upon this matter.​

 

[Fox P McCloud]

notice how small the cut-character's files are...only "128" definitely not enough info for them to be unlocked...even with AR.

 

[Sephi_hatu]

Actually, the metroid armour can still be under items, since what you found is only the AT.

look at this:

\item\stafy\AsfStafyBrres.pac, size:220384 off:2D5DD41C
\item\stafy\ItmStafyParam.pac, size:6624 off:2D6130FC

\item\resetsan\AsfResetsanBrres.pac, size:452192 off:2D433BDC
\item\resetsan\ItmResetsanParam.pac, size:242240 off:2D4A223C

\item\robin\AsfRobinBrres.pac, size:227296 off:2D4DD47C
\item\robin\ItmRobinParam.pac, size:4352 off:2D514C5C

\item\nintendogs\AsfNintendogsBrres.pac, size:83040 off:2D39DF3C
\item\nintendogs\ItmNintendogsParam.pac, size:2016 off:2D3B239C
\item\nintendogshi\AsfNintendogsHiBrres.pac, size:234144 off:2D3B2B7C
\item\nintendogshi\ItmNintendogsHiParam.pac, size:2656 off:2D3EBE1C

etc etc..

Somone ignored link's bomb. Consistency my friend.

 

[Fox P McCloud]

\effect\fighter\ef_dixie.pac, size:128 off:2A940A20
\effect\fighter\ef_mewtwo.pac, size:128 off:2AB67460
\effect\fighter\ef_nana.pac, size:128 off:2AB674E0
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoball.pac, size:128 off:2AE03900
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoboy.pac, size:128 off:2AE03980
\effect\fighter\ef_zakochild.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A00
\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_zelda.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF520
\effect\fighter\ef_roy.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780

I was just looking at the list, all these are of equal size, as Chepe said it is more plausable they could be just a costume change of sorts (Like the fighting alloys).

Yet again I have no leading expert upon this matter.​

if this is true, then Mewtwo is probably a Lucario alternative costume....roy is probably a Marth alternative, and Toon Sheik/Zelda are Zelda/Sheik alternatives.

but I doubt it.

 

[TheDuplexDuo]

notice how small the cut-character's files are...only "128" definitely not enough info for them to be unlocked...even with AR.

Yet again; how are these explained?

\effect\fighter\ef_gamewatch.pac, size:128 off:2A9E6AC0
\effect\fighter\ef_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2AD1B920
\effect\fighter\ef_nana.pac, size:128 off:2AB674E0
\effect\fighter\ef_gkoopa.pac, size:128 off:2A9F5F40​

 

[JoJoRukus]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I thought I was posting in this thread actually... Anyway, notice how the characters that were not part of the playable roster but suggest that they were still in the data do not have information for things such as Final Smashes and Kirby Hats. Seems they cut them before giving them those traits, or didn't even do any programing beyond the models, or even less. Hard to say since they don't have any real purpose in the game as it is.

 

[Fox P McCloud]

Yet again;

\effect\fighter\ef_gamewatch.pac, size:128 off:2A9E6AC0
\effect\fighter\ef_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2AD1B920
\effect\fighter\ef_nana.pac, size:128 off:2AB674E0
\effect\fighter\ef_gkoopa.pac, size:128 off:2A9F5F40​

nevermind...I didn't look close enough.

Hmmm, strange.

either way, they're not listed later on in the coding....so unless there's some ultra-super-secret-weirdo code...then I doubt they're there, except in name.

 

[Chepe]

But then it doesnt explain why Mr. Game & Watch's file is so small when he has everything the actual playable characters do...

 

[Your Hero]

Somone ignored link's bomb. Consistency my friend.

Beats me.. might as well add the pokeball pokemon and the lack of Toon Link's bombs and Peach's turnips to your list. :\

 

[TheDuplexDuo]

But then it doesnt explain why Mr. Game & Watch's file is so small when he has everything the actual playable characters do...

To be fair to the little feller, he doesn't exactly have the most complex of animations.

 

[Fox P McCloud]

To be fair to the little feller, he doesn't exactly have the most complex of animations.

I agree, but it's still really small.

 

[Sephi_hatu]

Beats me.. might as well add the pokeball pokemon and the lack of Toon Link's bombs and Peach's turnips to your list. :\

That made me think more, but Pits arrows, both links arrows, and peaches turnips should have files too. So should each individual pikmin (Tho surely the hoaxer isnt dumb enough to have left the pikmin out, right?).

I havnt bothered to look for these, and Im not gonna. Its fake..

 

[Your Hero]

To be fair to the little feller, he doesn't exactly have the most complex of animations.

Sheik has 128 too.

 

[TheDuplexDuo]

Sheik has 128 too.

Seems like it's a fake, speculation over. Duplex Away!



*Turns on the kettle*


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*You may stop reading....NOW!* ​

 

[GreenKirby]

Dixie Kong could have been playable

Darn it!

 

[Your Hero]

Lol, seeing Dixie Kong in brawl would seem wierd to me, especially if she is a clone of Diddy Kong (which I really can't see happening).

 

[Chepe]

We cant say its fake completely just yet. And seriously, I think Pra Mai as Plusle and Minun (and no Pichu) validates it a bit. Kinda how like when NyaseNya said there was a character called "Toon" Link in the game, the name itself made it more likely...

What kind of hoaxer would have put Pra Mai in there?

 

[Sephi_hatu]

We cant say its fake completely just yet. And seriously, I think Pra Mai as Plusle and Minun (and no Pichu) validates it a bit. Kinda how like when NyaseNya said there was a character called "Toon" Link in the game, the name itself made it more likely...

What kind of hoaxer would have put Pra Mai in there?

The same kind of person who would have wrote a 100 page fake halo script.

Hasnt somone already ripped the code? Wouldnt he have noticed any of this?

I see no reason to believe this. Theres reason to believe this is fake. It certainly doesnt help that whoever made this list isnt standing up for himself.

 

[Your Hero]

Problem is we have no idea who did make this.

 

[bluethree]

Sheik has 128 too.

Perhaps Shiek's movements are in Zelda's file and the programming treats Shiek as just a Zelda skin.

 

[Brentos4o8]

Oh look.

\effect\fighter\landmaster.lolz.pac, size:155776 off:2AE03B00

 

[Sephi_hatu]

Oh look.

\effect\fighter\landmaster.lolz.pac, size:155776 off:2AE03B00

And now we have officially wasted our time.

Case closed.

Verdict: fake.

 

[Johnknight1]

What I wouldn't do to have that as the roster. Same thing, but no Pichu (actually, I'd rather have Pichu then Dr. Mario, lol; sorry).

But no Krystal or EVEN Ridley makes me wonder if this is real. Ridley is only about 20% bigger then Bowser, and he seems like he could have originally been playable. I think this could be real, but I'm not sure. If Geno was suppose to be in the game, he'd be in, since he's a third party character.

And that IS THE PROBLEM, Your Hero. We don't know where it came from. If a vaild and reliable source confirms this, then we know it's real.

 

[tshahi10]

well, i have one small theory that could make this true, well.. justify the small sizes of the non-playable chars like toon zelda shiek. i have know idea why the real sheik is 128
well, what if characters were downloadable through wifi. maybe sakurai had only a skeleton programmed into the disk so that the downloads would be way smoother..or something. it is very improbable.. but possible ya think?