Glick
Smash Lord
Same thinkaman. I **** D3's and Martha's with jiggz even though the matchup on paper is god awful.
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Yeah, there are tricks to making this a much more even matchup, but even though it appears like that, a good defensive Marth will beat your here. If the Marth doesn't have 25% of his moves after your SH being F-tilt or dancing blade, with some the of the others being shield or roll away or sometimes fair, he's not abusing you properly.Same thinkaman. I **** D3's and Martha's with jiggz even though the matchup on paper is god awful.
I didn't say you were playing scrubs, but look at it this way.I wrote out a really long reply to this, and Google Chrome crashed. Don't use Chrome guys.
Basically, I understand where you are coming from. The problem is that I'm not talking about random people.
Yes, my Olimar and Zelda experience comes from roommates, I've seen them only once each in an actual tourney. However, my Meta Knight experience comes from Kel, Overswarm, Rofa, DSF, and others. My Snake experience comes from not just the local main, but also Samurai Panda, Big C, and some other guys I played at Indiana. My roommate sometimes plays Lucario, but my matches with Blood Hawk shaped my opinions of the matchup, not the matches with him. Big C, chewwy, Joshu all had great DDDs; Chewy and Joshu showed me what could be done with Falcon too. Infern's Ike, Smash64's Ness, Scala's Yoshi... Chewyy and lain's ICs? Kyari and most the local STL smashes have good Marths; Toga has a great Wario.
I'm not talking about scrubs I beat at local tournies; my views are shaped by actual matches with good players.
Right... but none of Jigg's matchups are anywhere near that bad, though G&W comes close.
There was a really good Mario main at WTON who made it pretty far. He got up against OS and took him to a MK ditto, since Mario had no chance. His MK wasn't that amazing so he obviously lost, but it was still a better shot than his Mario. Jigg's matchups aren't exactly going to set the world on fire, but she is lucky that she doesn't have any THAT bad.
Theory is just that when experience proves otherwise. I once theorized that Pokemon Trainer had potential to be a G&W counter though some ridiculous logic that sounded really good at the time. I tried my theory out against NoJ, and that was that.
You can say that a matchup should be this or that, but that doesn't change results. On paper, MK beats Jigglypuff in almost every category... but in practice, the gap in their aerial speeds combined with the duration of Meta Knights attacks and nuances of how the game handles hitboxes allows the "inferior" Jigglypuff to get hits in...
Also, Sonic troll, get out of my thread. This is a guide, not a place for random people to make pointless wi-fi challenges. You know what Sonic says about online...
I get where you are coming from exactly. However, what I just posted wasn't "Thinkman's win record sorted by character in list form." If it was, random characters like DDD, Wario, and Link would be higher, while Meta Knight would actually be lower! However, I know the difference between anecdotal evidence and overall trends, and try my best to seperate the two.You say you worked with PT to look over the advantages and disadvantages vs GW. Great, you can theorize and analyze on your own. But see, whether you know it or not you're the leader of this board. Whatever you say will most likely be taken as fact from the majority of it. Just because you are a great player doesn't mean they can do the same things you can, don't get me wrong I'm not saying degrade Jiggs because she doesn't have good players. We're still talking about a TOP level Jiggs, but at this time I think you are playing people that you are better than, even if only slightly. I say this because you consistently place well with her despite her lack of good tools in the majority of match ups. Don't feed the community false information and think they can actually win some of these match ups going in.
No character can beat a perfectly camping Olimar. It's not just MK that's pretty much screwed.Inui says MK has no chance against an Olimar that plays "perfectly." Again, just going by personal experience and the skill level of their opponents.
If no character can beat a "perfectly camping" Olimar, why aren't all the pros maining him? Why hasn't Olimar obliterated tourneys with this perfect camping strategy?No character can beat a perfectly camping Olimar. It's not just MK that's pretty much screwed.
the perfect partIf no character can beat a "perfectly camping" Olimar, why aren't all the pros maining him? Why hasn't Olimar obliterated tourneys with this perfect camping strategy?
Yoshi (Fair out of double jump = win button)
Umm... your mentioning smashes and mediocre projectiles (no offense, they are great for edgecamping but compared to Falco's laser or others, they are not great) and a well known way to punish a bad move as why Yoshi beats Jigglypuff. Not a great argument.His head has no hurtbox when he does a usmash, so it will outprioritize. Also, you'll be outcamped by eggs and your rollouts will be pivot grabbed by a decent Yoshi.
Yeah pretty much the same. I have found there are a few times where their super armour isn't super armour but it still can only be hit through with a full fair.honest to god, I have a terribly hard time gimping yoshis. I rely on nair second jump cancel on all the characters and yoshi has that gay armor that doesn't let me hit him. I rely on footstooling yoshis. When they are on their second jump they should be upairing at the same time so they don't get foot stooled, but if they forget its a gimp. shawty.
Half of this page is/was closed threads. I don't even have words for how f***ing stupid that is. The really good threads (that are still relevant) are buried under a mountain of garbage and I'm trying to dig them out.quite the bumping uve been doing veril ^^
yes and lets not forget he only needs 115% to KO Puff with a d-smash centerstagehes hard to rest,
hes hard to gimp
u cant use rollout
hes twice as fast as u
he can glide
he can spam
not a counter
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lolno. Rest him out of the nado or drill rest. Not as hard to do as it looks on paper. Rest KOs him nicely to.hes hard to rest
Its MK. We're hard to gimp as well.hes hard to gimp
On the ground. He's actually slower in the air.hes twice as fast as u
So what?he can glide
Its brawl... also... so what? Nado spam isn't effective on us.he can spam
i dont think a good mk would let u pound him 3 times in a row lolyour recovery is totally safe. just pounding the ledge will give him like 30 damage just trying to knock you off of it before he just uses nado to suck you off the ledge.
I love glick <3...No. They will continue to try to beat your pound recovery offstage since their mk. But they will eat pounds extended hitbox everytime.
It works. MKs get very impatient unless you are vrsing one like bowyer.
They will run right off since they are rarely challenged in the air.
what mks are u facing exactly?
no good mk is gonna even try to consistently gimp a jiggs, it wont happen. if ur facing a mk that is trying to do that, the mk obviously isnt very good
Why is Glick always the target of stupid comments like this. He's better with Jiggs than you or Meta, and he's active in NYC tourney scene. In other words stfu.Sorry you're dumb. Play not awful people.
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Its like 60-40 i think, jigglypuff actually kills equally to meta knight imo in this matchup, and jiggs can sorta float around waiting for openings while being relativly safe.
No MK would use tornado on jiggs in rest percents.
MK wins from superior range and much better options when jiggs is above or below him.