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now gheb, are you one of those people that rag on fox players for couterpicking mk at times?
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We don't have much experience with Japan as a region to judge accurately.I don't think its unfair for us Pit players to see someone do well with our character and want to figure out how. Just like people now looking at Sonic as more of a threat after MLG. Using someone playing a character to its potential is justified by the BBR too. Look at the tier list TKD is named under why fox moved up the tier list. As is San and Mr. Doom for Ike. The truth is you just don't respect japan as a region.
lol Everyone below top tier are completely undeveloped because they do not have obviously broken traits which were seen in week one when brawl came out.I think people saying Pit is bad are jumping the gun a little. He's down there with Jigglypuff and the other characters who are basically completely undeveloped.
I thought Earth was a Sheik main...?Edit: Reflex: Dominating your region doesn't show the qulity of character no but surely your placings at nationals put it in perspective, hence why i quoted Apex.
We can't form reasonable opinions of our metagame based on an isolated region. We don't have the information to work with.People want to discredit Japan entirely which is wrong.
Many people probably wonder that. Regardless where Wario goes he still a great character. XDI'm not sure why Wario ever went back up. Seriously.
When I spoke about 'meat-riding', I was referring to below, the last line. My comments are in response thisNo one is stating any reasons identical to what you said for discrediting Japan. The main reason Japan isn't included like other countries is due to having little information from them. Not only that, but the amount of times Japan and any other place meet is even more rare than American players meeting European players.
Okay, let's try to explain again. What is tier list a comparison of how characters compare at the top of the metagame. I gave examplesof where the BBR has rewarded characters being demonstrated by high level players, and respected the fact that they showed up more than in just their regions but at nationals too. I'm not trying to explain America's lack of top Pits ot you (though your hatred probably doesn't make him an attractive prospect to those looking to pick him up), I am just trying to convey the message that a region that you can't just discredit good play. Okay maybe its not enough to say that's Pits a top character. I'm not trying to say that but discrediting isn't fair either.gheb, I really really hate the fact that you respond to
'well usually when im in that situation, I do [X] and it works because [Y]' from reflex with
'That SHOULDNT work because I THINK [Y] MIGHT be safe enough to keep [X] from happening'
its just ignorant because you argue with people who are telling you how it is from experience when YOU EVEN ADMIT IN YOUR POST, that you barely have half an idea of what youre talking about.
also. since im on the subject of how stupid gheb is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJwXBcRnbNM
now can you PLEASE stop meat riding masashi and acting like pit is a good character?
We're talking about the tier list made by the BBR, which took into account the BBR Recommended Ruleset, so it's safe to assume that that is the established norm, as far as this tier list goes.And by the way, what is the "Established Norm"anyway? Maybe to them, our rule set sucks.
false, I only said that gheb meat rides japan, which is an established fact, you can ask anybody. I didnt say anything about pit players.I'm not even arguing for a tier list push. My thoughts on where he should be are still formulating but i think to say we are 'meat-riding' is unfair.
And by the way, what is the "Established Norm"anyway? Maybe to them, our rule set sucks.
We're talking about the tier list made by the BBR, which took into account the BBR Recommended Ruleset, so it's safe to assume that that is the established norm, as far as this tier list goes.
1. they tried that, Pit was way higher in the last list because of that, and now hes dropped back down because nobody lived up to the hype.Edit: We may not have enough reasonable evidence to make a CONCLUSIVE judgement, but if the evidence we do have is positive then it can form the beginnings of a judgement/ Tbh we'll all see when some americans go over to Japan's worldwide tournament in April
Yeah--That's why I can't go.
2. Who from america is actually going to that tournament?
seems like kinda short notice...
From the best video thread as a response to a video posted by Kadaj showing Mashashi as MK vs Kyuubi as ICS. Don't lie DA KidMASASHI ISNT PLAYING PIT ANYMORE?!?!?!?
THANK YOU GOD,
now we can have people stop meatriding japan like pit is a good character or something.
Wolf is only hard countered by D3, Wario (With cg) and Pikachu in reality. And those matchups are all 40-60. Wario without cg is even.Secondaries don't make Fox better at winning tournaments, they make the player better at winning tournaments.
However when you look at these "hard" counters, you gotta wonder how bad they really are. When has DEHF ever even lost to a pikachu. Fox and Falco don't get hard countered the way Wolf does. All their hard counters are characters that they can generally overwhelms in most areas except for a chaingrab or 2.
It's still at least 40-60, which makes it a hard counter. When we're talking about hard counters is that the ratio involved?Falco vs IC isn't that bad.
No, it's that bad. As bad as pika easily.Falco vs IC isn't that bad.