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same can be said for olimar >.>
I don't think this is really the case...I looked up Olimar's frame data, but there's nothing on his Down B. At any rate, there has to be some sort of lag after his Down B, and even if it's only 1 frame that's still a point where he is vulnerable. With a 4 frame up air, and getting a couple of those in as he falls down there's a good chance that one will hit. Plus, like I said you are still taking damage by doing that.
You can smack the **** out him during his down B but it, a with a fastfalling down B you only get 1 maybe two shots and you are getting 20% damage on him even if you miss the large I think its like 4-5 frame hit time. I personally don't think his down B is as good against ZSS as many people make it out to be.
Olimar can do nothing but shield the last jab or two over and over again.
If only I could empty quote this.
Well Oli is alot lighter than ZSS, but still 240% that rob must of degraded his moves way to much.
I've played the R.O.B. I'm talking about - trust me, he's good. He's not campy, he doesn't spam, he freakin' combos. He's good, he hadn't decayed smashes or anything. I'm just stating how good Oli's DI can be, combined with whistling.
"Is that all?"I have no match-up knowledge (mainly because I've never heard / seen of good ZZS players), so I will speak in terms I do know of.
How does Zamus handle herself around olimar?
lol
~Fino
I wouldn't really know... do people really main ZZS? This is news to me. As of right now I'd say 55-45 or 60-40 olimar just from theory of the match-up... I'm willing to play any of you if you'd like... :D
lol.... "is that all" was in response to your joke picture about ZSS handling herself Olimar
Hey I main her jerklol.... "is that all" was in response to your joke picture about ZSS handling herself Olimar
It's one of her taunts
btw, no one really mains ZSS, so don't worry about working on the matchup or anything
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Shhhhhhhh!hey I Main Her Jerk
Nice .
I disagree. Using the suit pieces offensively in this match has really helped me out, because it forces Olimar to do something other than pluck Pikmin. If you can pressure him correctly, you can gain a pretty good upper hand, possibly get him off the stage, and gimp him even easier than usual.
How exactly would you manage to put the pressure on Olimar? You might know something that I don't, but for the most part it's just like a match-up with Diddy - the armor pieces are as much Olimar's as they are Zero Suit Samus', you guys just get to throw first. What I was saying is though even if she has the pieces and an offensive position, there are some pretty simple ways to deal with what she's going to do. I listed Side B as a possible solution, which can be used to force her hand into something more agressive. You guys only get three tosses toward Olimar, while we six (assuming that we don't pluck more inbetween), ya know? I'm not apposed to taking damage either, if it means not being pushed into a corner.
That's not what I mean by three. When the match starts your three pieces of armor lay next to you. Once you throw one, it is no longer within your reach. If you run to pick it up, you leave the previous two behind. See what I mean? Once you toss a piece away from you, you have one less until you retrieve it. Even though armor pieces kill off Pikmin, I'd figure that certain latch spots would enable them to stay on and avoid getting knocked off. There's also the occasional (sometimes common and really annoying for you) Purple Pikmin that'll knock Zero Suit Samus back if she isn't watching. Am I making a little more sense now?
Once you throw an Armor Piece at Olimar, is that Armor Piece within your immediate grab range? Can you pick it up without moving (only tapping A) or Dash Attack to pick it up? No you cannot. As soon as you toss of an Armor Piece, it is no longer within your reach unless you move to pick it up and potentially open yourself up to harm. Sure, you can throw the two that are still on the ground near you, but you do not have the Armor Piece that you just threw within your immediate reach.
I know, I just like to approach the match-up by discussing from the very beginning of the match when both players are set apart from each other. I was really hoping to point out that while Armor Pieces are very dangerous for anyone who doesn't know how to deal with them, they can be equally dangerous for Zero Suit Samus and shouldn't be too heavily focused upon. What's your take or do you think that we should just move on to something else?
your right about the pieces, it depends on who's better with the them. but olimar himself has a disadvantage against them because he doesnt have a good defense against them. If he blocks, we can keep pressuring him with others and our own attacks, and I dont mean just throw all 3 at him. if he jumps, he get ***** by our aerials since he sucks in the air against her. If he rolls then we can punish it. other chars are more mobile or have attacks/moves that can make it less of a threat. I wish I could show you a vid of me of how the pieces can really be used...
I do see what you mean with Olimar himself being at a disadvantage against the Amor Pieces. Even though his moves can defend against the pieces, he does become very vulnerable if he's hit, moreso than a lot of other characters. With that being said, I'd agree with you guys if you say that Zero Suit Samus' Armor Pieces give her an advantage early on. I don't think it's that much of an advantage because of Olimar's options of dealing with the Armor Pieces, but an early lead does shift the momentum of the match in your favor.
