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Link is a nigh-worthless matchup to evaluate because there are so few Link players.(Off topic)
Claw faced Deva at Bio2 the other day. Finally, a good Link vs. a good ZSS has been done. Maybe now the matchup will become clearer, since both boards had never faced a good player of the other character.
I'm not saying discuss it, I just always found it annoying that anytime anyone asks me about this matchup (since I play these 2 characters) I can't give a straight answer.Link is a nigh-worthless matchup to evaluate because there are so few Link players.
There are many other more common matchups to be looked at first. Plus, anybody who can CG and press fair with D3 can beat a Link. -_-;;
Wtow, how different are opinions are on this one. I think it's a pretty strong advantage for ZSS like I said. I haven't had an Olimar really do this yet so it must be hard anyway. 6-4 ZSS (IMO).Gahh so the AAA doesn't work on Olimar like you guys said, darn it I only got a chance to use it on him twice in a team match, being a powershield spammer(aka key to olimar), I'm almost surprised he didn't try, but he will figure it out soon, back to old fashion way of fighting. I can test it out tommorow or this weekend. But I was shocked to find that this worked so I bet it doesn't. I am going back to my origional statement and say its a 6-4 match in Oli's advantage. 7-3 in his advanatage if you don't dominate the first part of the game with items.
And how do you use lasers in this match, seriously if you get PS you lose, the only possibility is you do a 1/2 to full charged one in the air jumping away, even doing on the edge is bad because Olimar can and will just camp you, out of its range with Over-B, but it is good for a stall, if you are going for a time-out.
Olimar hates armor pieces, alot you can get a free kill off about 1/2 the time, in which case the match is 6:4 in ZSS favor, assuming this occurs, Snakeee what Olimar's have you played, because there is a big difference between a scrubby Olimar and the PS spamming campy Olimars.Well I highly agree that the pieces mess Olimar up probably worst than any other character. He almost literally has no defense against them. If you pressure him with all 3 pieces, you can possibly get an easy gimp.
he's played blackwaltz and i assume andyg both in tourney, maybe friendliesOlimar hates armor pieces, alot you can get a free kill off about 1/2 the time, in which case the match is 6:4 in ZSS favor, assuming this occurs, Snakeee what Olimar's have you played, because there is a big difference between a scrubby Olimar and the PS spamming campy Olimars.
Not all Oli's are straight up campers. T_Tbecause there is a big difference between a scrubby Olimar and the PS spamming campy Olimars.
If Oli rushes down ZSS he is going to lose, sorry but that's the truth, my friend got an aggressive Oli and started fighting some characters better aka diddy, but it just meant pretty much suicide against ZSS, he mostly plays defensive now unless he knows the match is better played aggressive.Not all Oli's are straight up campers. T_T
Everyone forgets about Fino.
If you mean Olimar versus Bowser dude thats in Olimars favor by alot.Bowser board is discussing Nintendo's weapon targetting the 13+ audience if you haven't heard already.
EDIT: Hello Olimars. I forget, did we ever agree on anything in that match up? O.o?
no because of the huge lack of good bowsers so we never got an accurate portrayal of the match upBowser board is discussing Nintendo's weapon targetting the 13+ audience if you haven't heard already.
EDIT: Hello Olimars. I forget, did we ever agree on anything in that match up? O.o?
The matchup is still on hold btw.no because of the huge lack of good bowsers so we never got an accurate portrayal of the match up
and vex.... is something else....
I missed this post first time around, sorry my opinion really hasn't changed I still think its in Olimar's favor overall, you probably just saw me go from a grrrrr state that I was in the first post to a weeeee weeee happy state that I was in, the second post.Wow you changed your opinion pretty drastically on the spot Norad.
Moved over here cause its a matchup, but you do know that Luigi uses his jump down B out of your range right, because after I did this too my friend a few times he learned, now I just have to try to connect over B's on him, but since he can vary the speed, and the fact that it gives him enough upwards momentum to do an over B recovery its not as important.lol match-up discussion just hijacked this thread.
btw I think Mario is harder than Luigi. Luigi's recovery is rofl edgeguardable. D-smash ***** his poop in (when he tornados). Threaten to edgehog the rest of the time.
oh, and fireballs are so effing good. gaawwdaayaam.
I agree.I suggest we talk about Diddy Kong next. Thoughts?
Calm down.i whistled safely through EVERY uair warp did to me
you sir (kage) are an idiot who has probably never played a zss ever
everything you said is wrong save for the jab part
and you're better up close, but getting there is no easy task by far
There isnt any theory craft here. I just showed the points in an earlier post We have a significant amount more than you. Everyone of them has been proven:apparently my opinion doesn't matter
i'm biased as **** but i still give it 55-45 to zss
theory craft doesn't make matchups
-We can get pass his camping with jabs and side b.
-We are better than him up-close since he only has 3 moves that would really work (dsmash - punishable-, grab, and jab) our dtilt is faster.
-We can jab through his grab as someone said.
-We out prio him in the air. if he tries to whistle we can still give him damage and FF before he counter attacks.
-He's vulnerable to pieces since he has a bad defense against them. He cant use pikmin latch because our piece will ram right through them.
All I really see with Oli is that:
-We have to be careful when we approach because of his broken grab.
-Has a strong usmash.
Whistling is indeed good for blocking u-air, but no smart ZSS would be stupid enough to keep trying after seeing that trick.i whistled safely through EVERY uair warp did to me
you sir (kage) are an idiot who has probably never played a zss ever
everything you said is wrong save for the jab part
and you're better up close, but getting there is no easy task by far
You should never rely on an infinite in any match.Discussing Wario would be cool since now that they've figured out that air camping is a counter to grab releases we can't rely on the infinite.