Zelda isn't F tier material.
Don't even insinuate that.
She may be BAD, but she's not THAT bad.'
Otherwise I agree with your list.
No actually, I think Zelda is the third worst character in the game. She has safe walls, and good kill power, but no approaches. Frame 5 dash attack would be OKAY if she didn't have a frame 12 grab. Her projectile is worthless, aerial approaches are worthless, and she just relies on a punishable Usmash and Dsmash. If you don't dodge, you win. She also can't recover without getting punished.
No love for Ike or Bowser?
Good list. The only things I really disagree with are Snake being below ICs and Lucas not being E tier.
I'm still unsure about Snake/IC. Why do you think Lucas is E tier.
Pierced, the problem with Mario is his tournament results are poor, and holding him back from raising in the tier list. He has some things going for him, but the lack of his results are hurting him severely at the moment from rising higher on the tier list.
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Please, just Pierce. the 7d additive is just because on some websites "Pierce" is already taken. A lot of characters are under developed because there are just better characters to use. Everytime I play Mario, I'm reminded of why I main Marth, but Mario is still good.
Well I might as well give my opinions on this:
S Tier: Not 100% sure about the order of the characters, but those 4 characters are definitely in S tier.
A Tier: I kinda get your point saying "these characters are extremely good, but not the best" but it might consist of more characters
B Tier: I like it. Really solid characters that aren't really broken.
C Tier: Once again, I like. As you said, these characters rely on your skill. Some characters might be switched around a bit like 2 spaces max. Honestly though, I think Luigi should be a bit higher placed then you put him. He has really good kill power. Like possible to kill really heavy characters like D3 and Snake at 130 or lower except for his shoryuken which kills them at like 70. He can combo very well. That nair is sexy. It has a stupid amount of priority AND it's a kill move. He has 3 ways to recover and a momentum cancel (fair + green missile). I think he's upper mid tier in your version of the tier list. I'm very happy with what you wrote about Mario.
D Tier: With what I've seen Ness > Lucas though that might be the fact that the players are better. Honestly I'm not sure. I feel sorry for Wolf though because of what you said. If he didn't fall for every gay tactic, he would be a solid mid tier character.
E-F Tier: I know little to none of what these characters can do. I don't really see anything.
Put something in for Ike, Bowser, Ganon, and Zelda and Shiek separately. The two of them are different characters. Zelda isn't good while Shiek alone can be a solid mid tier character. Also I noticed you didn't make any minor changes, just major ones. Is that on purpose?
My changes are how I feel they are.
And remember, the characters are NOT in order within the lettered tiers.
Great TL, i just think that Olimar isnt really B tier material tho.
I think Olimar is good based on how many purples he gets, LOL. Still Olimar has low priority and a poor recovery, but a STUPIDLY solid camping game that's hard to ignore. Why do you think he's C (or lower)
that's true that snake have to rely on mistakes
Okay. I'm glad you agree with me, but in the future, please elaborate or contribute something resourceful to the thread.
He said in no particular order.
Lucas belongs in D.
Precisely. Within the tiers, characters are not ordered.
Is this a Marth match up thread? lol. That's what this tier list seems like to me.
Not at all, or top 5 would be, MK, R.O.B. DK, Snake, D3 IMO.
As long as Kirby doesn't drop from #13 and ZSS is no lower than mid, I'm good with whatever else you write... But people suddenly started underestimating Kirby, and I find that to be quite uncool. He IS good enough to be within the best 1/3 of the cast, and I don't say this because I'm biased (although it might have a bit to do with it)... I've used him for about a year now, and I KNOW his limitations and strengths inside-out to the max, and he DEFINITELY should stay that high.
Once lots people learn how to use Kirby and prove to me that he sucks, THEN will I be willing to take back my words... Until then, NOOOOOOOO!!!! He IS good, and randomly underestimated!
I'm glad you have faith in your main and know a lot with him, but please elaborate on why you think Kirby is as good as he is.
He also said Snake is the 4th best character in the game.
Yes, but that is a specific instance.
I don't see Snake moving from #2. If you look at Ankoku's list, the gap between Snake and 3rd place is steadily increasing. I can see Snake being very close to MK on the list next year.
2
Snake (73 top8, 34 top4, 25 top2, 27 wins) -
1547.4
3
Diddy Kong (44 top8, 22 top4, 14 top2, 8 wins) -
613.3 - 5
He already has 3 times Diddy's points.
I agree with Ice Climbers at #3 but I'd put Diddy at #4. Sorry Diddy.
I don't see Sonic moving either.
I think Mario may move up but I don't think he's better than Luigi.
Snake is more developed than Diddy due to being as popular for longer. Diddy is quite clearly on the rise. Wait until next season and then look at the results. Also, to be fair, Snake might beat Diddy, and do fine vs MK, whereas Diddy might lose to Snake and do fine against MK. If they are top three, I can see how this puts Snake on top. At the moment, D3 is too limited to come out in numbers and take out the Snakes. The metagame is fun right now, and having pocket A and B tier characters is pretty useful.
Yoshi the Eternal Scrub reappears despite not playing Brawl anymore and giving out of date info on the metagame!
That list is inaccurate, the person who does the list admits this. Its fun, but don't take that ranking list to heart.
Please do not bash other people. The list is accurate with my opinion but
characters aren't ordered within the tiers.
I do agree with you lowering Wario, because I thought his sudden skyrocket in the list was unwarranted. But I do believe that Falco should be in the S tier instead of ICs. True, Falco does do bad against them, but most other characters, especially Snake, make up for that match-up. Plus if Popo is by himself against almost any character, he gets *****. In lower match-ups, no way Mario will ever get that high, because of his Dedede problem. And Zelda/Sheik should be two different characters, because I doubt you can ever change safely between the two in Brawl.
So your reasoning is that Falco, who also does good vs MK and Snake, should be above IC, because Snake ***** ICs? Interesting. I've been hovering around this idea myself lately. I also see your perspective on Mario, but I think that outside of the D3 issue, he's still a solid character. With infinities off, it's definitely win-able. Just challenging (and boring.) Zelda and Sheik can be switched between. I'm saddened I cannot fight you to show you.
how can IC's be better than snake if they get ***** by snake
this list... im sorry, its so wrong on so many levels
IC lose to ROB I hear, but they're better than ROB. If you think my list is wrong (and remember, it's an outline in which
characters are not ordered within the tiers)
I transform safely easily. Also, look up their transformation jump. Out of hitstun, they can double jump and immediately do either a neutral, up or down B and get a massive vertical boost. Easily safe transformation. They compliment each other to not be a single character.
And tehf1r3, Olimar beats Snake. Does that mean Olimar should be above Snake?
This, although Snake players would argue that Snake can also 0 to death Olimar in a dthrow tech chase, the point is valid.
Well, when you take an inaccurate list and you use it as an arguing point, then yet.
If it was accurate, that is a rank of their general tournament rankings.
What a tier list does is show their highest possible potential, not their overall potential.
Precisely.