Project BlazBrawl Consoliditation Topic. - Project Ragna has resumed, Tager Next.

[Zephron]

There is no topic with that name...

Also @ Chileno4Live: No hard feelings.
Also keep in mind you take 1/2 damage while frozen.

 

[Chileno4Live]

Yeah i was looking for that name but i can't find it anymore. But yeah i'll try him out again and fight against him some more, this was just the first thing came to mind. Haven't tried out the latest pac. So i'll probably do that. Again, no no hard feelings, i'm not here to make a big fuss about Jin xD.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

i cant jin to work. i have bbrawl working, put the pac in the marth file in the fighter folder but it still wont work.

 

[Zephron]

You put it inside the marth folder inside of the fighter folder.

 

[SaltyKracka]

*Pokes the corpse*

 

[Nine 1 One]

I like this guys hope to see the new characters like litchi and the newer ragna. Love it so far

 

[TsuKiyoMe]

I like this guys hope to see the new characters like litchi and the newer ragna. Love it so far

We hit a snag with Litchi that is in the process of needing to be cleared up.

The max file size for Zero Suit Samus files is 291 KB. The whole character has to fit in 7KB of code which is quite tedious. I've been working with Ryko, Kirk, and Eldiran to find a way to reduce code size and so basically before I'll get the Litchi Beta I'll have to actually pen and paper out the code.

The way PSA works, file size increases only when you Paste statements or Add NOP statements. I maxed out the file with roughly 5 or 6 move pastes and roughly 20 NOP statement adds. As you can see...not a lot of room for creativity.

So I'm going to write down what code I have now and restart the process from the start again, this time taking into consideration the following:

-No Pasting
-Transform as many pre-existing useless lines into useful code. No adds unless there is no other feasible way to get the move to work
-Removal of useless code to increase file size

Notable Places Code Can Be Removed From:
-Grab Animation frees up roughly 500B of code
-Removing ZSS Armor Pieces on Start Up Removes Code
-Removing Sound Effects from useless moves
-The Key One: Removing Rumble Features on the Character outside of Wall and Floor Bounces (for teching purposes).

With this, I should be able to get the character up and working this time around. I thank you guys again for your patience. At least you know the code for the moves in the signature are done. I just have to re-enter them...the long way.

Thank you again for all your patience guys!

 

[Eldiran]

TsuKiyoMe, I might be wrong here, but... I think that avoiding pasting itself won't necessarily conserve more space than just modifying the commands. What happens is PSA only recalculates the offset when a) all commands are deleted, or b) a command is Added or Pasted. As such, if you delete most of the commands in a subaction, and then Add a Nop, the offset should actually decrease.

So, I think that you could actually take the command from your previous version and copy it. And then go to the corresponding subaction, delete everything first, and paste it. Doing it like that shouldn't consume extra space.

However, I could be wrong about this, the above is just my understanding. I posted this as much to help out as to find out if my suspicions are right or not.

 

[TsuKiyoMe]

TsuKiyoMe, I might be wrong here, but... I think that avoiding pasting itself won't necessarily conserve more space than just modifying the commands. What happens is PSA only recalculates the offset when a) all commands are deleted, or b) a command is Added or Pasted. As such, if you delete most of the commands in a subaction, and then Add a Nop, the offset should actually decrease.

So, I think that you could actually take the command from your previous version and copy it. And then go to the corresponding subaction, delete everything first, and paste it. Doing it like that shouldn't consume extra space.

However, I could be wrong about this, the above is just my understanding. I posted this as much to help out as to find out if my suspicions are right or not.

Doesn't work. For example the offset of ZSS's Dash Attack has the following

Offset: 0x109E0

Copy the entire text box...remove it...repaste it.

You now have an offset of 0x2272C.

Same exact code.

Now if I modify that same code without using copy and pasting... like say replacing the 5th line with a Generate Item statement...something completely different... the offset is exactly the same.

See? I dunno why the coding for those functions are that way but they make for wasted space. To program a character like this, your code has to be incredibly clean, something I'm not exactly known to do hahaha. Java has spoiled me.

 

[Eldiran]

Ahh, I see. Thank you for enlightening me. That'll be very useful to know.

 

[Zephron]

I'm pulling for you!

Also my Litchi texture is almost done. ZSS is quite hard to make textures for... This might be my last one for her. Litchi, Nova, Marle and Lucca. Good 'nuff.

 

[DanGR]

If someone could tell me where to put the files and what to name them once they're downloaded, or redirect me to a post explaining how to do it, I'd be very appreciative.

edit: thanks ryko.

 

[metaXzero]

So....I forget. Was Ragna getting any further updates?

 

[Rykoshet]

There's a changelog for 3.0 but kirk has been otherwise preoccupied so both ragna 3.0 and tager hit a pretty big roadblock. Rather than push him and be annoying I just let it go.

 

[metaXzero]

Aww. Tis a shame.

 

[MK26]

We hit a snag with Litchi that is in the process of needing to be cleared up.

The max file size for Zero Suit Samus files is 291 KB. The whole character has to fit in 7KB of code which is quite tedious. I've been working with Ryko, Kirk, and Eldiran to find a way to reduce code size and so basically before I'll get the Litchi Beta I'll have to actually pen and paper out the code.

The way PSA works, file size increases only when you Paste statements or Add NOP statements. I maxed out the file with roughly 5 or 6 move pastes and roughly 20 NOP statement adds. As you can see...not a lot of room for creativity.

So I'm going to write down what code I have now and restart the process from the start again, this time taking into consideration the following:

-No Pasting
-Transform as many pre-existing useless lines into useful code. No adds unless there is no other feasible way to get the move to work
-Removal of useless code to increase file size

Notable Places Code Can Be Removed From:
-Grab Animation frees up roughly 500B of code
-Removing ZSS Armor Pieces on Start Up Removes Code
-Removing Sound Effects from useless moves
-The Key One: Removing Rumble Features on the Character outside of Wall and Floor Bounces (for teching purposes).

With this, I should be able to get the character up and working this time around. I thank you guys again for your patience. At least you know the code for the moves in the signature are done. I just have to re-enter them...the long way.

Thank you again for all your patience guys!

I read somewhere about excess code being added to some PAC files upon editing...open Litchi in a Hex editor and check how many isntances there are of 0xFADE (there are exactly 0 in the original PACs, and i B+ Fox's PAC has...1147 O_O)

Also, are you guys gonna get these characters included in Mugen Brawl? The peach vote is up and im the only one who voted Rachel...

 

[Rykoshet]

It should happen eventually but who knows really.

 

[shinyspoon42]

Just thought I should mention, Jin is broken. Not because of his speed, or all that stuff. There is one move, and it has broke the **** out of the character. Its his neutral special. With icecar comboing straight into it, its easy to land. Even when you don't icecar into it, its huge and hard to do anything about in the air. And guess what? If you land the move, you win a stock. Freeze them with it, then wait a half second before jumping in the air and charging another. As soon as they unfreeze, release and they are immediately refrozen. Rinse and repeat to the edge, then enjoy the free guarenteed spike out of it, or F smash, or practically any move. While I like Jin, this is just ridiculous.

Aside from that, I'm just super pumped waiting for Litchi to go beta. Whats the latest on Tager Rachel and Ragna?

 

[TsuKiyoMe]

I read somewhere about excess code being added to some PAC files upon editing...open Litchi in a Hex editor and check how many isntances there are of 0xFADE (there are exactly 0 in the original PACs, and i B+ Fox's PAC has...1147 O_O)

Also, are you guys gonna get these characters included in Mugen Brawl? The peach vote is up and im the only one who voted Rachel...

Any suggestions which Hex Editor I use/How to go about doing this?

 

[DelxDoom]

HAZAMA IN THE NEXT BLAZBLUE

So uh, yeah. Sweetness.

 

[Ryo242]

I noticed that Ragna can instant death characters on most stages by Down throw (Catch) then Down throw, which sends them straight down past the edge in a spike similar to that of Fox and Falco's down throw in Melee. Is that intentional?

 

[Cia]

Any updates on Litchi?

 

[Zephron]

I'm halfway done with her new texture, and TsuKiyoMe has been having some difficulties with the space and a job.

Thanks for bumping.

 

[Kisamealex3]

Uhh...am I the only one that failed to see a download link for the Ike thingy? I clicked on it and it only supplies textures.

I think I'm just stupid xD

Help?

 

[Kirk]

I remember this thread...maybe I'll actually start working on this again. I've nothing else in my life worth doing, anyway.

I noticed that Ragna can instant death characters on most stages by Down throw (Catch) then Down throw, which sends them straight down past the edge in a spike similar to that of Fox and Falco's down throw in Melee. Is that intentional?

Dthrow sends them straight down, so I don't see why this wouldn't be possible. Have you tried DI-ing back towards the stage? I find it hard to believe it would be instant death...since it should be cancelable anyhow.

 

[shinyspoon42]

Yay, this project might be revived! :D I look forward to it.

 

[...:::VILE:::...]

Why? If you want to play blazblue, go play it.

 

[Cia]

Why? If you want to play blazblue, go play it.

I actually hate BlazBlue. But I'm very interested in the project because it's almost like having new characters, but with the Smash Bros fighting system.

 

[...:::VILE:::...]

Yeh, so many projects are making new characters.

 

[Zephron]

This topic really needs to be revived.

So, I decided to give some preview screenshots of the new Litchi texture.

Please comment! ^_-

 

[DelxDoom]

that looks really good

 

[markehmus]

This topic really needs to be revived.

So, I decided to give some preview screenshots of the new Litchi texture.

Please comment! ^_-

be alot easier to comment if the texture was scene on in game... why no dl links?? pic's dont tell much of a story

 

[Zephron]

be alot easier to comment if the texture was scene on in game... why no dl links?? pic's dont tell much of a story

Huh? I told you guys, it's a preview... thats why there's no dl links, and I'm not going to tell you any stupid story.

Use your own imagination and read the whole post.

 

[...:::VILE:::...]

Why not make models?

 

[황미영]

I actually hate BlazBlue. But I'm very interested in the project because it's almost like having new characters, but with the Smash Bros fighting system.

Any reason as to why?

 

[Zephron]

Why not make models?

I WANT to make a model of Noel, and I'm totally willing to learn but I have to buy a copy of 3Ds Max, and then learn the program.

A very sad state of events on that part.

 

[markehmus]

I WANT to make a model of Noel, and I'm totally willing to learn but I have to buy a copy of 3Ds Max, and then learn the program.

A very sad state of events on that part.

thanx for the info i am gonna grab it too

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WINDOWS 32BIT & WINDOWS 64BIT
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type: 3D Animation
size: DVD 72x50mb
Description:
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Installation:
Unpack, burn & install.
Check Crack/Install.txt on DVD
No Lame Patching, no problems with updates, no problems exporting
to a "legal" version, no trial patched, no files modified etc
The one and only way to do it - KEYGEN - fully activated

im gonna test it 1st, probly

 

[...:::VILE:::...]

Come take a walk with me and i will give you a copy

And i ts not too hard to learn.

 

[Marth175]

wow its been a while since I signed in, been really busy modding my car , and well I might get back to work on finishing jin some time soon, but Im really looking forward to that model editor that would be awesome once pharrox is finished

 

[Zephron]

Come take a walk with me and i will give you a copy

And i ts not too hard to learn.

@ VILE

O_O OKAY. *Walks*

@ Marth175

I'm very glad to hear that! Hope the car mod went well.