Metatitan
Smash Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOWFv48EGYCan you link me to a good Yoshi match vid?
There's a vid of scatz vs reflex. He doesn't even use grab release on that wario. Lol at them actually lowering his tier position
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOWFv48EGYCan you link me to a good Yoshi match vid?
I'm asking about the reason for Mario specifically. I want to know what made so many people vote that low for him. I want to know what specific qualities about Mario the SBR thought was so bad that they gave him such a low score.What they judged for their votes has been said a couple times
To whomever said Ganon needs putting below Captain Falcon, Thunderstorming and Murder Choke instantly make him better then Failcon.
lol, go to the boards and go on the tourney thread buddy.how much tourney representation has yoshi been getting?
there's your answer
That's a valid concern, but you can rest assured it isn't that way at all.What I'm getting at here is that it doesn't look like you guys have a solid number for where the tiers end and begin and are just putting them up where you feel like they should go. This feels very unorganized and arbitrary rather than logical. I'm not trying to sound insulting or anything dude, just being honest and pointing out what I feel is wrong.
For some reason or another, his tournament record must not have been as compelling to the majority of the SBR as it is to you. I'll have to leave it at that; maybe someone else can give you a better answer.What he's saying is that the tier list doesn't even come close to which characters are turning out results. Sonic came in 10th as far as tournament winnings across america are concerned yet he's WAY lower than 10th as a character.
That's all the person before you was saying. Whether or not I agree is different. I personally don't care, I'd main Sonic if he was in an even worse tier.
If Mario is horrible then Yoshi must be plain **** right? (No offense Bigman) Just this post fails so much.Just because plain horrible characters like Mario manage to get some tourney wins makes them better than Yoshi?
MK is right and that matters most though, I guess.
Can you link me to a good Yoshi match vid?
None taken. Honestly, I just don't find the low tiers placed correctly, but eh, what do I know? I'm just a biased Yoshi main (according to most people).If Mario is horrible then Yoshi must be plain **** right? (No offense Bigman) Just this post fails so much.
thanks.
Can you link me to a good Yoshi match vid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOWFv48EGY
There's a vid of scatz vs reflex. He doesn't even use grab release on that wario. Lol at them actually lowering his tier position
I lol at this argument. The first yoshi vid was boring, and the second was better I admit... but I don't see what made yoshi a GRAET character that you yoshi mains seem to believe.
QTF... we'll be hearing and talking about this for months ;-;And it begins...
If Mario is horrible then Yoshi must be plain **** right? (No offense Bigman) Just this post fails so much.
I'm sure everyone would like in depth analysis for their character tooI'm asking about the reason for Mario specifically. I want to know what made so many people vote that low for him. I want to know what specific qualities about Mario the SBR thought was so bad that they gave him such a low score.
I came to the same conclusion. Also the 2nd vid against the MK, not one tornado. I haven't checked MK boards, maybe I just don't know my who's who but was that MK anyone special?
I lol at this argument. The first yoshi vid was boring, and the second was better I admit... but I don't see what made yoshi a GRAET character that you yoshi mains seem to believe.
Char bias... *sigh*
~Fino
I dunno if it was that video vs Dojo (I'm assuming it is, if I'm right I deserve 2 cookies), but if it is I heard Dojo beat him a few times right after those videos.I came to the same conclusion. Also the 2nd vid against the MK, not one tornado. I haven't checked MK boards, maybe I just don't know my who's who but was that MK anyone special?
Yep....And right there is why we're discredited when we even try to state something. We're not saying great as in ****ing high tier. We know the limitations, so why would we go beyond what Yoshi can do?Char bias... *sigh*
~Fino
Falcon isn't as terribad as people thought he was way back in April, but he's still comparably worse than the rest of the characters.Lolz I find this tier list bad. Captain falcon probably isnt the worst anymore
Thunderstorming isn't exactly a good... reason to make him better than Falcon. OH LOOK IT'S A CHARACTER DOING SHORTHOP AERIALS WITH NOTICEABLE STARTUP AND ENDING LAG (that is, falling/post-attack time).To whomever said Ganon needs putting below Captain Falcon, Thunderstorming and Murder Choke instantly make him better then Failcon.
lol@yoursigNow I'll show you who's F tier? Now that doesn't sound right.
Apparently, Yoshi has some things that can knock MK out of tornado. U-smash supposedly outprioritizes it (vs high tornado) and his tongue can grab MK out of it if he's low.thanks.
10char
Edit: no tornado?? =/
Alot of the Sonics that have placed recently - I've played alot of them on Wi-Fi via allisbrawl, some of them even before some of you guys had even heard of them (Phoenix Dark, Shugo). The ones that play on AiB play a wide variety of players because there are people who main like, everyone. Or were. We have an idea of character tendencies and adjust their behaviors to what we can expect offline in matchups. Though, Shugo did mention the IC issue. There aren't many IC's on wifi for obvious reasons, but trust me, the few IC mains that do go online tend to know how to make use of desynchs and do many more things than just bumrush you for a chaingrab.
That said, even as we entered our first offline tournaments, we did very well. We have experience trying out different strategies and exposing ourselves to player habits (example, edge or roll habits).
People can say there are tons of Sonic mains that enter tournaments, contributing to his placing, but either that's not true and there are 1-2 Sonics in that region, or the Sonics they play are trash (I wouldn't dare call someone who isn't read up on or explored Sonic's capabilities a Sonic main). But from how I see it, it's just the onslaught as a few of the good 'wifi-Sonics' are finally entering the tournament scene.
You'd think, Oh, but it's their first offline-tournaments, and they placed really high, and/or even won! Doesn't that say something about Sonic as a character??
Here's where it breaks down.
The people they play against didn't have matchup experience against Sonic.
You've seen the trash that prominent members throw around. You laugh at the matchup discussions when people are sprouting on about how Sonic has low priority since they outprioritize Sonic's spindash, while we destroy them with our U-airs and B-airs, and outspace them with tilts and outmanuever their spacing with our movement options and shieldgrabs.
And finally, they see a Sonic main for the first time and they get destroyed.
good game.
And we win.
Seriously, you see the same garbage for Falcon and PT. No, any of the mid-low tier characters.
"Falcon has little priority! lolol" then you come across a Falcon who aggrorushes, punishes your attacks, and outprioritizes you with some surprisingly decent-priority moves and grab followups.
"Charizard is slow! Ivysaur sucks!" Then you come across a PT player who can time Rock-Smash as a counterattack (it explodes on contact), make use of Charizard's 'finished' ('autocancelled') aerials, and grab game. Or someone who can competently use Ivysaur's spacing tools, and Bullet Seed out of spotdodge/shield, or even up-B as an edgehog/kill move. Or even just a PT main who continues to fight you even when low on stamina, whittling away until they can get that D-throw or something to switch, or just straight up take you to a high % and kill.
And I'm sure everyone's familiar with Yoshi, and hopefully Samus players and abilities.
I'd take this season/year as being a more telling time for Sonic, especially if the Sonic mains who just recently entered the tourney scene go to more tourneys and start to go up against people who begin to and finally learn the matchup.
thanks.
10char
Edit: no tornado?? =/
The first yoshi vid was boring,
Thats right,Doesn't matter. MK dittos are boring too, it's just high level Brawl.
He doesn't tornado much... against anyone. lol.Dojo didn't bother using tornado on bwett because yoshi's egg and usmash beat the tornado. On smashville with plenty of room to egg/usmash there really was no point in using that move.