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Wario's Week 16 Matchup REDISCUSSION: MetaKnight
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leatherhead93
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No offense masky but you sometimes make it sound like the mk matchup is completely hopeless =(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3_FFxqw1GA
This isn't really a point, it's more of a recent vid of my Wario, and it's how I play against MK really.
Well, I was playing the MU at 60%, The MK didn't provoke me to go complete, as you'll see in the video.
This was Losers Semis, And Sake is the guy who beat Eggs, t0mmy, and that tournament he beat Sean.
This isn't really a point, it's more of a recent vid of my Wario, and it's how I play against MK really.
Well, I was playing the MU at 60%, The MK didn't provoke me to go complete, as you'll see in the video.
This was Losers Semis, And Sake is the guy who beat Eggs, t0mmy, and that tournament he beat Sean.
Dynomite
Smash Champion
Good match.
Hey sky, how often do you play smash? (tournies, smashfests, w/e)
Hey sky, how often do you play smash? (tournies, smashfests, w/e)
Not bad. I understand what you are trying to do. Biggest thing to work on IMO is delaying the airdodge timing. You are SHing and doing it really soon afterwards, you lose fast fall or DJ or attack mixups by doing that when they are quite far away. It works best mid range because at that range you probably don't have anything else worthy as a mixup, and it's good bait. Close range I probably would not do that as much, long range they are far enough where it doesn't matter if you Fsmash they can't do anything. But mid range that looks good.
Dyno, I play every chance I get. Since I picked up Wario, I practice in my room, and play whenever anybody wants to.
And this video isn't anything that I want people to think is ground breaking, it's just how I kinda play MK. This idea was from Tyrant, but I'm trying to develop it as much as I can. But I hope it gave you guys a little insight of how I play the MU.
And this video isn't anything that I want people to think is ground breaking, it's just how I kinda play MK. This idea was from Tyrant, but I'm trying to develop it as much as I can. But I hope it gave you guys a little insight of how I play the MU.
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
god warios jump is only outclassed in ****tiness by yoshi
from what I've experienced
from what I've experienced
theunabletable
Smash Lord
M2K told me at Bio that this matchup is in Wario's favor at a top level; because MK can't land a kill on Wario.
Take that how you will.
Personally after seeing M2K struggle with Sky's Wario at Bio in friendlies (sure it's friendlies, but still M2K was playing the matchup like MK is supposed to; he was walling the **** out of him), I really don't think this matchup is that bad for Wario.
but I'm a terribad scrub so my opinion doesn't matter
Take that how you will.
Personally after seeing M2K struggle with Sky's Wario at Bio in friendlies (sure it's friendlies, but still M2K was playing the matchup like MK is supposed to; he was walling the **** out of him), I really don't think this matchup is that bad for Wario.
but I'm a terribad scrub so my opinion doesn't matter
leatherhead93
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Ive seen Atomsk's pocket wario beat quite a few mks xD
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
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I've seen Ally beat MK's with his falcon does that make the MU even? Or in falcons favor ?
Dynomite
Smash Champion
Just because mk cant kill doesnt mean the matchup should be in wario's favor.
Damage Points
Smash Ace
Sky that kinda how I've been playing mk myself. A lot if warios play that matchup to aggressive. Good **** I liked ur video.
Pwneroni
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Honestly Sky, you just wiped the floor with Sake. He's a really aggressive player, and you used that to your advantage very effectively. However, that is definitely not a MK vs Wario showcase match. You should record a match aganst Sade, a turtle style MK that's hard to crack. Campy MKs are the hardest MKs, am I right?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
or you can watch fiction vs m2k.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
yeah man just because they're old doesn't make them bad. There's also blue rogue vs m2k if you want to watch those. Point is go to the video thread. Watch the matches.
leatherhead93
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If he didnt quit i think his wario would still be at the top.
But eh life calls on us all at some point
But eh life calls on us all at some point
theunabletable
Smash Lord
Ally is far more skilled than those MKs. Sky isn't far more skilled than M2K lol
The outlier argument doesn't apply at all to M2K having trouble with Sky's Wario, since M2K is way better than everyone already. Sure he may not be the best at the matchup, but he wasn't playing it bad.
I didn't say it does. I just mentioned that M2K, the best player in the world, said that, at a top level, Wario has an advantage on MK because MK can't kill him, and Wario can kill MK super early.
That isn't exactly my opinion, I think it's probably in MKs favor (maybe not if you're a Wario as skilled as M2K, but I wouldn't know, I'm not at M2Ks level so I can't comment on how difficult, or how easy, certain matchups are if you're as good as him), but there's no way it's as bad as a lot of you Wario's make it out to be.
In my opinion (as I said, I'm a scrub, so my opinion doesn't matter much. But apparently the best player in the world's opinion on how difficult matchups are at a top level doesn't matter, either), it's a close-ish to even matchup with M2K having a slight advantage.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I'd agree with this when M2K starts losing to Wario's the way he loses to diddy's until that start happening I don't believe it.
First, I do have videos against Sade, she hasn't beaten me. =P
Secondly, you warios need to be consistent. Earlier people were telling me that Aggro MK's would be the only way to make my strategy viable, and no MK is going to approach. But now Masky is claiming that if the MK I fought were aggressive, I would have not been as successful. Care to clarify?
EDIT: And don't call my AD's or jumps 'spammy' because that insinuates that there is no thought behind them, which is false. =P
Secondly, you warios need to be consistent. Earlier people were telling me that Aggro MK's would be the only way to make my strategy viable, and no MK is going to approach. But now Masky is claiming that if the MK I fought were aggressive, I would have not been as successful. Care to clarify?
EDIT: And don't call my AD's or jumps 'spammy' because that insinuates that there is no thought behind them, which is false. =P
Zigsta
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Fiction hasn't quit Brawl. He still plays from time to time--he just finds Brawl boring compared to Melee.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I'll try to explain it.
You we're talking about punishing their fair and doing all of this other stuff which wouldn't be possible if the MK decided to camp you. However, aggro Mk's are easier to punish and easier to shield grab.
With that in mind you match the MK you played needed to be more aggro in order to make your strategy invalid.
So if we think like that it becomes a cluster **** however, I'll try to explain.
First off the MK was lacking he didn't apply pressure or punish you at all he just sort of let you do what ever. If he dash grabs you when you're jumping away and air dodging you'd get punished since you're committing way to early to the AD and won't have any more options. So what that MK wasn't doing was attack where you were going to land.
Secondly, the MK didn't try to control the stage or limit any of your options. While you're doing your jump away air dodge stuff he could easily occupy the middle off the stage. Once he does. This you're options become limited because he is now close enough to punish with a move or put you in an extremely bad position because of the right side of the stage.
Third, I didn't see him dtilt at all which is great for spacing and applying pressure nor does he gimp you he misses the opportunity. So this MK isn't spacing applying pressure nor is he trying to control the stage nor is he adapting to anything that you're doing. He's just throwing out moves and I guess he's expecting you to jump into them or something.
I could be mistaken however, those are just some of the things that I saw that I felt the MK didn't do. It's not just blind aggresion however, it's a mix up of a good ground game and off stage pressure as well as limiting the options of the Wario and taking advantage of that. This MK failed to do any of those things. If the MK was better you'd prob would of lost your first stock to a gimp and lost your second stock to a gimp after the stage had flipped.
I think this is a perfect example of how an MK can apply pressure on wario and take advantage of his mistakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vnctash9hk&feature=related
Sorry bassem but it's a good learning point.
leatherhead93
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I know that but there was a LONG gap when just stopped playing i think that caused him to get behind on the metagame
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
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I don't know teach me pl0x that way I can win. PM me tips.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Trust me, he's not behind. I played him like two weeks ago, haha.I know that but there was a LONG gap when just stopped playing i think that caused him to get behind on the metagame
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Beat tearbear tryant or havok and you'll have your proof.
ssbbFICTION
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Yah i got to play zigsta a little while ago. It was fun but brawl is boring 
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Come over again soon we'll just hang out you seem really chill XD
also
I agreed to fully come back to brawl if Sky's wario (I would take the challenge from any wario) could consistently beat my mk
zig got to play my mk XD
@zigsta-
Come over again soon we'll just hang out you seem really chill XD
also
I agreed to fully come back to brawl if Sky's wario (I would take the challenge from any wario) could consistently beat my mk
zig got to play my mk XD
Lord Chair
Smash Master
That's just a stupid and degrading comment and you know it. If you really want to bash Sky, do it intelligently. I do admit I scanned the uploaded match, and I'll be an *** and say the MK wasn't really handling the MU all too properly. This will all get sorted out in time.
Leaving for the airport in 20 minutes, why am I here.
SnackAttack
Smash Champion
So is Sky a dedicated Wario main now?
Chair answered my question in another thread!
:D
Can't wait to meet you, man!
Chair answered my question in another thread!
:D
Can't wait to meet you, man!