KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Walls were banned more because of camping iirc.
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lol my bad man I didn't think you were joking, i took it offboy am i glad to get credit for this one
Great points Bob, where do you stand on this issue though?Let's put wobbling in a TO/host perspective. since they will be the final word on whether it is legal or not.
Pro:
Wobbles and Chu have a higher possibility come to your tourney
You get to a see Ics played at there full potential (iffy reason)
Because you get to see ICs play at full potential the competition will be fierce ?
You want your tournament to showcase who is the best Melee player because the best players will be above wobbling because they won't get grabbed enough to swing a set.(Mango vs Wobbles)
Cons:
Some Boring matches
Turning off the aesthetic appeal of Melee to new aspiring players
It can be used to stall the match
Now these pros and cons can be said about stalling right?
The reason ufc is successful now is because they legitimized fighting with rules etc. What's to say banning wobbling is not the same as banning eye gouging or groin shots? Isn't that in the discretion of the TO?
If anything Wobbling being legal is motivation to be good enough to not making wobbling a winning factor.
Now with that said, Smashmac brought up a good point. wobbling is very different from the tactics used in melee. It's inescapable past like 10 percent right? It's not consistent with the other abused tactics in melee such as Camping, chain throws, edge hogging. these a person has multiple opportunities to escape with good decision making. I'm not saying wobbling is wrong, its just very different and this difference could be enough to warrant a TO
to ban it considering wobbling in nature is not as forgiving as mainstream tactics. Like hitting someone in the back of the head in UFC. Whether the reason to ban it is aesthetic or to remove inconsistency in results because of this powerful strat. both are good enough reasons for the tourny host to ban it. Frankly because it's what he perceives to be most beneficial to his tournament.
old news is old. I said that two pages ago.But one uses the B button and is allegedly hard to do. So that removes the argument of "Wobbling is dumb, it's just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA you die". By using Blobbling, it's like "AABAABAABAABAABAABAABAAB you die but I need to do it with precise timing because there's exact input windows".
I like your honesty.I'm not going to act like a martyr for "no holds barred raw smash".
I'm simply against it because I don't play Ice climbers. As narrow minded as that sounds, I want to increase my chances of winning with a character I have tons of fun playing.
Also I just think wobbling(not grabbing) is such a unique tactic that isn't like anything in the game in terms of push vs pull. It's dominated by one players ability. Unlike Cgrabs. what in this game is reliant on one player? the question is not if its honorable etc.or makes you a bad player. The question is , is wobbling what we want to see and "play" against?
I would answer no.
You forgot the play part. I used to get wobbled by this one player (before he quit Ice Climbers) who always wobbled on every opportunity. At first I thought it was a little bit dumb, but once you accept something for what it is, you start to enjoy it. At least when an Ice Climber tries to kill you at low(er) %'s, you can try to guess down/forward/up smash and Smash DI accordingly. I've survived a few of his wobbles before he started going higher before kills.I like your honesty.
but so what. you don't have to watch every match. they can't all be fun to watch.
Didn't the banning of onett have something to do with kdj and the infinite?Walls were banned more because of camping iirc.
What is it? An infinite ?You forgot the play part. I used to get wobbled by this one player (before he quit Ice Climbers) who always wobbled on every opportunity. At first I thought it was a little bit dumb, but once you accept something for what it is, you start to enjoy it. At least when an Ice Climber tries to kill you at low(er) %'s, you can try to guess down/forward/up smash and Smash DI accordingly. I've survived a few of his wobbles before he started going higher before kills.
5th. He couldn't have beat ColBol, PP, or Hbox.If he got 5th at CEO without wobbling, imagine what he could've got had he taken the full advantage of the infinites.
Lack of difficulty isn't the main reason people want it banned. It's lack of entertainment.[incorrect arguments]
Plus, LCG is allowed because it's harder.[incorrect arguments]
And it looks mad awesome.Plus, LCG is allowed because it's harder.
i addressed that in my post and made fun of that stupid logic. lets ban sheiks combos because theyre easy!Plus, LCG is allowed because it's harder.
i think gimps and chaingrabs lack entertainment. lets ban those!Lack of difficulty isn't the main reason people want it banned. It's lack of entertainment.
But gimps are dynamic, which are fun. Something static can never be fun, so it's always banworthy. Wobbling is static.because something not looking cool is obviously a warrant for a ban. silly me!
i know and i addressed that in my post and made fun of that stupid logic. lets ban sheiks combos because theyre easy!
i think gimps and chaingrabs lack entertainment. lets ban those!
No, they are not. The chain grabs change as percents change. What is entertaining and what is not is mainly a matter of psychology, not mainly opinion. Edgehogging opens up more strategy and makes the game more dynamic. It's not banworthy.chaingrabs are static. BAN IT!
also what is entertaining and what is not is a matter of opinion and therefore not any kind of warrant for a ban. i think edgehogs are unentertaining. BAN IT!
You're still incorrect. Not all chain throws lead to high damage, near kill move, edgeguard. Also, you can DI the throws and hits in chain throws to choose your poison. That's dynamic. Dynamic is always fun to watch. It's human psychology.many chaingrabs can from 1 grab->finishing move->easy edgeguard. that is not dynamic or fun to watch.
also the new infinite isnt dynamic or fun to watch. why leave that unbanned but have wobbling banned?
also something not being fun to watch still isnt a reason to ban something.
youre a scrub kthnxbai
I like your pun.The new infinite is cool to watch because it's not like wobbling where all it was was tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick but now it's PEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWw-tick-PEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWww-tick-PEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
LCG is allowed because it's situational. It has all the requirements of wobbling, but the synched grab also has to be right next to a ledge.Plus, LCG is allowed because it's harder.
I see what you are trying to say here that the infinites don't matter. But I think that they do, and I think it is irresponsible to say that he would've placed the same, had he used them. If only for the mere fact that jpuff has no legit infinites other than the wobble and BLIZZOBBLE.5th. He couldn't have beat ColBol, PP, or Hbox.
i guess wobbles sucks then oh shucksYou're still incorrect. Not all chain throws lead to high damage, near kill move, edgeguard. Also, you can DI the throws and hits in chain throws to choose your poison. That's dynamic. Dynamic is always fun to watch. It's human psychology.
Ok, let's ban wobbling, blobbling, and jabcancelobbling. The whole package.
Yes it is. Ask a good player like Lovage.
Your last point is still incorrect. I'm presenting counter points in an organized manner with evidence and you're the one making claims with no evidence.
alot of people said the learning curve was too low.Lack of difficulty isn't the main reason people want it banned. It's lack of entertainment.
If players see the same repetitive, stuck in place infinite, people will get bored and play a real manly game.alot of people said the learning curve was too low.
imo thats a better ****ty argument than its boring.
If ICs aren't even top tier with wobbling, then them being a good character is completely irrelevant. Not to mention that they have several bad match-ups in which, coincidentally, their grab combos are subpar.Reneblade said:just to clear up some misconceptions:
wobbling should be banned
IC's are a good character