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Smash Lord
Almost all the characters in brawl have at least a few nightmare matchups ^^
What are they? Hive wants to know!
The point of this thread is to find out what the worst 2-3 matchups for each character are!
So far this thread has gotten a lot of replies! ^^ thnx to everyone who contributed ^^ I still expect that there are at least a few things wrong with it... but hopefully over time these will be sorted out with discussion
Bowser-DDD, ICs
C. Falcon-Peach, Pikachu
DK-DDD (no fat chicks), ICs
Diddy Kong- Falco
Falco- G&W, Marth, MK?
Fox- Pikachu, ZSS, Sheik
G&W- Snake, MK, Marth
Ganondorf- ICs, MK, Marth
ICs- G&W, MK
Ike-Falco, Olimar, DDD
Jigglypuff-G&W, Olimar, Falco
DDD- Pikachu, Olimar, Falco?
Kirby- Zelda, ICs, Marth
Link- MK, Kirby, Falco
Lucario- Marth, DDD
Lucas- Marth, G&W
Luigi- DDD, MK, Luigi
Mario- MK, DDD
Marth- MK, Snake, DDD
MK- MK, Yoshi, Snake
Ness- Marth, G&W, MK
Olimar-R.O.B., Peach, Luigi?
Peach- G&W, Falco, MK
Pikachu-MK, G&W, Marth, Wolf?
Pit-MK, G&W, Marth?
P.T.-Falco, Marth, MK, G&W
R.O.B.-MK, G&W
Samus- MK, Olimar, DDD
Sheik-MK, G&W, ICs
Snake-Pikachu, DDD, R.O.B., Falco
Sonic-Wario, MK, Olimar?
Tlink-MK, Marth, Wario, Olimar
Wario-DDD, Marth
Wolf-Falco, MK, DDD
Yoshi-G&W, Marth
Zelda- G&W, Marth
ZSS-Falco
***Discussion*** Ok, sorry for the delay in getting some of these up, just got done up through page 10 @.@
but there are a few discrepincies I need you guys to figure out:
green= matchup leaning one way, yellow= needs to be looked at (a fair amount) , orange=needs to be looked at (strong)
1.Is Olimar a bad matchup for Sonic?? people who say yes (Greenstreet, CaliburChamp) people who say no (ROOOOY!, Snail, Blackbelt)
2. Is Yoshi a bad match for MK? People who say yes (Mmac, Bigman40) People who say no (Piginabag, IvanEva). As Mmac and Bigman0 are both yoshi mains and piginabag and Ivaneva are not, I say its more probable to say that Yoshi is a bad MK matchup.
3. Wario- DDD (Gheb_101, Rehab, Joxer) Marth (Gheb_101, Bravedave88, Joxer) Yoshi (Gheb_101, Joxer) counterargument (Bravedave88), Luigi (Yonder, Joxer) counterargument (PhantomX), G&W (Bravedave88) counterargument (PhantomX)
As you can see Wario has a lot of different possibilities right now.... @.@ pretty safe to say DDD and Marth however...
4. Does Pit counter Olimar? People who say yes (Viparagon) People who say no (Snail, Maniaclyrasist, Dynne)- pretty safe to say no on this one ^^
5. Is Olimar a bad matchup for MK? People who say yes () People who say no (TlinkKing, asob4, EdreesesPieces, DangR, ROOOOY!) really safe to say no for now.
also, there is pretty much a whole thread on this *** http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=201936
which I would say summarizes like this (if I'm not mistaken)
Olimar has the advantage: Atomsk_92, Mew2King, Rykoshet, brinboy789
Neutral matchup: Yawnbored, Zori
Mk has the advantage: Pyronic_Star, Kyas, DanGR, -NaPPy, dabuz
6. Is DK a bad matchup for Lucas? People who say yes (Natch, Blackbelt) People who say no (Levitas)
7. Is R.O.B. a bad matchup for Falco? People who say yes (dainbramage, Dragz) people who say no (Gheb_101, Yeniths)
8. There are way too many proposed bad matchups for sonic lol, which ones should I keep up?
Olimar (Greenstreet, CaliburChamp) counterargument (Blackbelt, Snail, ROOOOY!), Wario-(ROOOOY!, PhantomX, Snail, CaliburChamp) really safe to say yes on Wario, MK (ROOOOY!), G&W (ROOOOY!) counterargument (Greenstreet, TehUmby), Luigi (Yonder) counterargument (ROOOOY!, Cr4sh)
9. Is Tlink a bad matchup for G&W? yes (Bengalsrz) no (Gheb_101, Bnzaa)
10. Does Snake Counter Peach? yes (Gea), no (Praxis, Bentobox, ppls Praxis named)
Does Falco? yes (Praxis, EdreesesPieces) no (Bentobox)
12. There are a lot of Pit suggestions, Andrew Carlson puts his worst matchups as MK, and G&W... Gheb_101 puts Marth and Snake, and Admiral_Bowser puts Kirby and Jigglypuff, both of which AdrewCarlson disagrees with. Cj.shark supports mk- mk seems pretty solid ^^.
Top 5 Most Advocated Bad Matchups (<.< no one better use this for ban discussion or heads will roll)
1. Metaknight= 20
2. Game & Watch= 13
2.. Marth=13
4. King Dedede=11
5. Falco= 10
Some "Worst Character" threads: not sure if some are outdated or not...but I'll look into them
Snake:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=190604&highlight=worst+matchup
Pikachu:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=200983&highlight=worst+matchup
Link:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=200306&highlight=worst+matchup
Falco: (Poll)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=168459&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192043&highlight=worst+matchup
R.O.B.:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196712&highlight=worst+matchup
Wario:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=193965&highlight=worst+matchup
MK:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157434&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=189283&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179157&highlight=worst+matchup
Diddy Kong:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=191118&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=189163&highlight=worst+matchup
Lucario:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196624&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192191&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165594&highlight=worst+matchup
Olimar:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197086&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=190776&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=184016&highlight=worst+matchup
Peach:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197084&highlight=worst+matchup
C. Falcon: (locked)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=156107&highlight=worst+matchup
Donkey Kong:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186606&highlight=worst+matchup
Ike:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=195075&highlight=worst+matchup\
Ness:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=109908&highlight=worst+matchup
Wolf:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186042&highlight=worst+matchup
Lucas:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186787&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181314&highlight=worst+matchup
Jigglypuff:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182806&highlight=worst+matchup
Pit:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177586&highlight=worst+matchup
Toon Link:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159736&highlight=worst+matchup
Sonic:
What are they? Hive wants to know!
The point of this thread is to find out what the worst 2-3 matchups for each character are!
So far this thread has gotten a lot of replies! ^^ thnx to everyone who contributed ^^ I still expect that there are at least a few things wrong with it... but hopefully over time these will be sorted out with discussion
Bowser-DDD, ICs
C. Falcon-Peach, Pikachu
DK-DDD (no fat chicks), ICs
Diddy Kong- Falco
Falco- G&W, Marth, MK?
Fox- Pikachu, ZSS, Sheik
G&W- Snake, MK, Marth
Ganondorf- ICs, MK, Marth
ICs- G&W, MK
Ike-Falco, Olimar, DDD
Jigglypuff-G&W, Olimar, Falco
DDD- Pikachu, Olimar, Falco?
Kirby- Zelda, ICs, Marth
Link- MK, Kirby, Falco
Lucario- Marth, DDD
Lucas- Marth, G&W
Luigi- DDD, MK, Luigi
Mario- MK, DDD
Marth- MK, Snake, DDD
MK- MK, Yoshi, Snake
Ness- Marth, G&W, MK
Olimar-R.O.B., Peach, Luigi?
Peach- G&W, Falco, MK
Pikachu-MK, G&W, Marth, Wolf?
Pit-MK, G&W, Marth?
P.T.-Falco, Marth, MK, G&W
R.O.B.-MK, G&W
Samus- MK, Olimar, DDD
Sheik-MK, G&W, ICs
Snake-Pikachu, DDD, R.O.B., Falco
Sonic-Wario, MK, Olimar?
Tlink-MK, Marth, Wario, Olimar
Wario-DDD, Marth
Wolf-Falco, MK, DDD
Yoshi-G&W, Marth
Zelda- G&W, Marth
ZSS-Falco
***Discussion*** Ok, sorry for the delay in getting some of these up, just got done up through page 10 @.@
but there are a few discrepincies I need you guys to figure out:
green= matchup leaning one way, yellow= needs to be looked at (a fair amount) , orange=needs to be looked at (strong)
1.Is Olimar a bad matchup for Sonic?? people who say yes (Greenstreet, CaliburChamp) people who say no (ROOOOY!, Snail, Blackbelt)
2. Is Yoshi a bad match for MK? People who say yes (Mmac, Bigman40) People who say no (Piginabag, IvanEva). As Mmac and Bigman0 are both yoshi mains and piginabag and Ivaneva are not, I say its more probable to say that Yoshi is a bad MK matchup.
3. Wario- DDD (Gheb_101, Rehab, Joxer) Marth (Gheb_101, Bravedave88, Joxer) Yoshi (Gheb_101, Joxer) counterargument (Bravedave88), Luigi (Yonder, Joxer) counterargument (PhantomX), G&W (Bravedave88) counterargument (PhantomX)
As you can see Wario has a lot of different possibilities right now.... @.@ pretty safe to say DDD and Marth however...
4. Does Pit counter Olimar? People who say yes (Viparagon) People who say no (Snail, Maniaclyrasist, Dynne)- pretty safe to say no on this one ^^
5. Is Olimar a bad matchup for MK? People who say yes () People who say no (TlinkKing, asob4, EdreesesPieces, DangR, ROOOOY!) really safe to say no for now.
also, there is pretty much a whole thread on this *** http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=201936
which I would say summarizes like this (if I'm not mistaken)
Olimar has the advantage: Atomsk_92, Mew2King, Rykoshet, brinboy789
Neutral matchup: Yawnbored, Zori
Mk has the advantage: Pyronic_Star, Kyas, DanGR, -NaPPy, dabuz
6. Is DK a bad matchup for Lucas? People who say yes (Natch, Blackbelt) People who say no (Levitas)
7. Is R.O.B. a bad matchup for Falco? People who say yes (dainbramage, Dragz) people who say no (Gheb_101, Yeniths)
8. There are way too many proposed bad matchups for sonic lol, which ones should I keep up?
Olimar (Greenstreet, CaliburChamp) counterargument (Blackbelt, Snail, ROOOOY!), Wario-(ROOOOY!, PhantomX, Snail, CaliburChamp) really safe to say yes on Wario, MK (ROOOOY!), G&W (ROOOOY!) counterargument (Greenstreet, TehUmby), Luigi (Yonder) counterargument (ROOOOY!, Cr4sh)
9. Is Tlink a bad matchup for G&W? yes (Bengalsrz) no (Gheb_101, Bnzaa)
10. Does Snake Counter Peach? yes (Gea), no (Praxis, Bentobox, ppls Praxis named)
Does Falco? yes (Praxis, EdreesesPieces) no (Bentobox)
12. There are a lot of Pit suggestions, Andrew Carlson puts his worst matchups as MK, and G&W... Gheb_101 puts Marth and Snake, and Admiral_Bowser puts Kirby and Jigglypuff, both of which AdrewCarlson disagrees with. Cj.shark supports mk- mk seems pretty solid ^^.
Top 5 Most Advocated Bad Matchups (<.< no one better use this for ban discussion or heads will roll)
1. Metaknight= 20
2. Game & Watch= 13
2.. Marth=13
4. King Dedede=11
5. Falco= 10
Some "Worst Character" threads: not sure if some are outdated or not...but I'll look into them
Snake:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=190604&highlight=worst+matchup
Pikachu:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=200983&highlight=worst+matchup
Link:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=200306&highlight=worst+matchup
Falco: (Poll)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=168459&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192043&highlight=worst+matchup
R.O.B.:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196712&highlight=worst+matchup
Wario:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=193965&highlight=worst+matchup
MK:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157434&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=189283&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179157&highlight=worst+matchup
Diddy Kong:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=191118&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=189163&highlight=worst+matchup
Lucario:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196624&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192191&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165594&highlight=worst+matchup
Olimar:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197086&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=190776&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=184016&highlight=worst+matchup
Peach:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197084&highlight=worst+matchup
C. Falcon: (locked)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=156107&highlight=worst+matchup
Donkey Kong:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186606&highlight=worst+matchup
Ike:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=195075&highlight=worst+matchup\
Ness:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=109908&highlight=worst+matchup
Wolf:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186042&highlight=worst+matchup
Lucas:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186787&highlight=worst+matchup
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181314&highlight=worst+matchup
Jigglypuff:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182806&highlight=worst+matchup
Pit:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177586&highlight=worst+matchup
Toon Link:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159736&highlight=worst+matchup
Sonic: