Sesshomuronay
Smash Lord
Game and Watch?
I think its 55/45 in our favor as we got a lot of stuff that can outrange him.
I think its 55/45 in our favor as we got a lot of stuff that can outrange him.
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what he/she said(sorry idk).I think it's 50/50.
I've played against a few top G&W's, I've just been busy lately with work and haven't had the time to put together a solid explanation on the match up. Well, the match up is definitely ZSS >= G&W but it's 6/4 ZSS IMHO.Well the only detailed match-up information we have right now is mine, and I haven't really played that many GaWs, so it's mainly based on theory.
If anyone has anymore Pros/Cons and stage counterpicks that would be helpful, cuz right now the match-up advice is going to be slim.
However, we should probably move on since we've been on GaW for a while. We should probably talk about someone that will spark the discussion back up. I think we should stick to the high-tiers, Dedede, Wario, Marth, etc.
aight, when do you think you'll get a chance?I've played against a few top G&W's, I've just been busy lately with work and haven't had the time to put together a solid explanation on the match up. Well, the match up is definitely ZSS >= G&W but it's 6/4 ZSS IMHO.
yes, GB does that to me all the time...I'm in a such a bad mood and aggrivated
sooo you're saying that if they shield your third hit you should grab before they do and you'll get them?No one seems to believe me that you can interrupt a shield grab attempt with another grab against a lot of characters. Well, even I don't know how accurate that is, but it's been working pretty well even against top players.
sooo you're saying that if they shield your third hit you should grab before they do and you'll get them?
No, you can start another jab combo before they can shield grab you against most characters it seems if you time it just rightsooo you're saying that if they shield your third hit you should grab before they do and you'll get them?
EDIT: oh dammit, sry about the double post. =/
we share something in common.I hate ROB. By far one of my most hated characters under Metaknight.
TheZeroSuit said:There is no current match-up description for R.O.B. in Orion's thread...
Snakeee's old advice:
Aight, let's get this rolling, use the format in OP, and post away!Snakeee said:His priority and range is a problem, but ZSS can close the gap on him without too much trouble. A big advantage is that he is a rather big and slow target. ZSS can juggle him well, and gimp his recovery with ease. Basically if ZSS keeps on the offense yet with caution, it is her favor.
In my experience, it's a good stage. Plus, OS didn't really care for it as late as September:I agree with most of all this, but I think ROB is good on Norfair Ph00tbag.
Add that to the fact that ZSS has more approach options, and has a lot more ability to KO off the top, and I think it's a strong counterpick as a result.Norfair
This is not a good stage for ROB. The increased amount of ledges means you don't get to edgeguard as well, and the hazards make it very difficult for you to keep stage control. This is especially bad because your opponent easily gets access to your blind spot. Steer clear of this one.
Yea, sorry about the stages there. I haven't played a good ZSS in a while, but I was going off what I would assume common sense, I used to play as her. That's why I didn't go too into detail. Thanks for finishing off what I started though. I also do agree with 6/4 although I don't think I'd go as far as 7/3, but it's close to that.I agree with most of all this, but I think ROB is good on Norfair Ph00tbag.
and for the other guy
"* Stages to Counter-pick: FD, Battlefield
* Stages to Avoid: Rainbow Cruise, Lylat Cruise"
...was that for ZSS to do??? If anything you have this almost backwards. ZSS ***** on Rainbow, or at least that's MY personal favorite stage. Of course ROB is good there though, and you probably shouldn't counterpick him there. But, I don't think anyone should bother banning it as ZSS. But, Lylat Cruise is probably the perfect stage to take ROB to with ZSS. It gives him little room, and messes up his approach a bit. I also love d-smashing through the outer platforms while standing on them . She can juggle him so well in the air on this stage.
FD is the stage I'd stay away from, because he is able to camp her a bit there. ZSS shouldn't have too much trouble closing the gap, but it's still a nuisance. Frigate Orpheon is probably worse for her though in this match up so if you can (depending on banning rules) avoid both of those.
You don't?(unless you play really gay and down B up and down the platform edges )
No, I didn't say anything >_>You don't?