The official Pivot Walking (and PW Crouching) thread.

[Doopliss_Swe]

Is there any way you could swing the momentum for this back and forth with the C-Stick? It'd be like a dash dance, only it would be a...a...DOOP...DANCE.

crazy dashing works like that. Just genly push the control stick back and forth.

 

[Napilopez]

Does know if you can use this for true pivots from a foxtrot?

Like, foxtrot, then doop walk for a pivot from foxtrot?

Now that I think of it, true pivoting is done by inputting another dash first... so I dunno.

The thing that makes true pivoting from a foxtrot difficult is that you have barely tap the control stick to return it to a neutral position after an initial dash really quickly. Its kinda hard to do, and I don't ever see anyone incoporating true pivots in their brawl gameplay because of this.

So... could some, try like, foxtrot-> input another foxtrot then really quickly start doopwalk in opposite direction?

If you don't have a shoulder button set to attack, I can see this being difficult to perform, but if you do, it seems like it may work and even be an easier way of performing true pivots.


Also, Havokk, you said you could do this with Wiimote+Nunchuck. How?

 

[Luigi player]

Meh, I hope this won't get any useful for anything other than taunting >.<

It looks stupid and it's annoying to do it (you have to change your controls or you have to position your hands in a other way where you can't play normal).

 

[smaci92]

lol what happened to "doop walking"??? that name was so amazing

 

[Crow!]

Pivot boosting is the generic name for the useful part (the slide associated with the pivot, which can be used to make an attack slide. Link uses this extensively). Pivot boosted pivots, as shown being spammed in those videos, has gone under various names, my favorite being Waltzing.

Seriously, though, the C-Stick does weird things when it isn't triggering attacks. I didn't know it could trigger a pivot, but I do know it can trigger fast falling and sometimes changes which A attack you use. It's like it has all the properties of the control stick except the ability to move your character.

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

Yeah, bur you CAN still call it that if you want, waffling too, but i chose pivot walking because it is self-explanitory.

 

[Tenki]

mechanics(?)

Seriously, though, the C-Stick does weird things when it isn't triggering attacks. I didn't know it could trigger a pivot, but I do know it can trigger fast falling. It's like it has all the properties of the control stick except the ability to move your character.

Well, it does 'shortcut' the [Tap]+[Attack] input.

If you hold your attack button, it does something weird to that. For example, if you're holding A and have an item in hand and input left/right on the C-stick, you'll charge a forward smash.

Doing a C-sticked D-air makes you fastfall because it's full-tapping downwards (fastfall input).

I suspect that if you're holding A and input C-stick, it somehow overrides the [Attack] portion of the input so it only registers the tap.

Hahaha, wouldn't it be funny if you had it on B-stick and held B and came up with something weird?

PS,
I still believe Spinzaku walk is a perfectly fine name for this.

 

[Crow!]

Also, I suggest removing the "New AT" start on the thread name. It makes people come in expecting you to be an idiot. And besides, the AT isn't new, instead the method of inputting the AT is new.

 

[lukintosh]

Any way to do this with Wiimote+Nunchuk?

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

Also, I suggest removing the "New AT" start on the thread name. It makes people come in expecting you to be an idiot. And besides, the AT isn't new, instead the method of inputting the AT is new.

It might not be anything new to the Link players, but it do other stuff for other character, y'know... And what's wrong with expecting an idiot and getting something good instead? XD

And by the way, doing this with A-sticking or B-sticking only results in jumps.

 

[Ulevo]

This, hands down, is the most amusing Advanced Technique ever created.

You win.

Note: This should be the new Shuffle Nair to Wavedash taunt for in between stocks.

 

[Dabuz]

has anyone figured out how to do a pivot grab out of this, because i know its possible but can't figure out how

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

maybe release A before you spin 180 degrees, then dash to what is now forward, and pivot grab normally? At least you can do a pivot dash grab this way

 

[Omit]

woa nice lol gotta try it with wolf ^^

 

[Remzi]

has anyone figured out how to do a pivot grab out of this, because i know its possible but can't figure out how

You cant, pivot grabs can only be done while running.

 

[M15t3R E]

I may use this as a taunt or something, so thanks.

 

[SuSa]

Any way to do this with Wiimote+Nunchuk?

I've been testing it, so far haven't been able to do it.

has anyone figured out how to do a pivot grab out of this, because i know its possible but can't figure out how

Pivot Walk > Release A > Dash > Z + BACK ON THE C-STICK (easiest pivot grab IMO)

 

[BentoBox]

Easier than pressing z and back at the same time? not really ._.

 

[Ham Enterprises]

Interesting, but I don't know if i'll use it.

 

[TheFast]

You say Yoshi is neutral but can't this leak into advancing pivot grabs?

 

[SuSa]

Easier than pressing z and back at the same time? not really ._.

The back c-stick sometimes gives you a nice little push, rather then completely stopping your momentum to pivot grab. (I still can't really explain this) xD

It's better then a pivot grab, but worse then a boost pivot grab.

Interesting, but I don't know if i'll use it.

At least try it out

You say Yoshi is neutral but can't this leak into advancing pivot grabs?

Not really....

 

[K 2]

This seems like something that can prove to be useful. It will also add a nice twist to any mindgames you might do. I'm going to try this out right now. It looks so sweet.

 

[ssbbFICTION]

DK's cargo throw moves so freaking fast with this. 0_o 0_o

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

wait, DK can do this while holding someone? That's AWESOME O_O

 

[SuSa]

OMG :o DK is really fast....like... broken for a heavyweight carrying someone fast..

nice job Fiction :3

 

[Napilopez]

=O

Oh snap! it sounds really cool that DK can perform cargo throws more quickly with this... I've got to see a vid XD

 

[SuSa]

=O

Oh snap! it sounds really cool that DK can perform cargo throws more quickly with this... I've got to see a vid XD

Sorry, not making a 6th vid about this stuff xD just try it out.

Grab > Pummel once (hold A afterwards) > Press Forward to start the Cargo > Walk + C-stick (the direction is -slightly- different, otherwise you jump)

 

[Napilopez]

haha no I wasn't asking you to make a vid, you've done enough =].

Lol @ the most interesting development in brawl's metagame in months being so... ridiculous XD.

 

[XienZo]

What if Sakurai PURPOSELY put this AT in the game so the competitive scene would look stupid and he would have won at the end of the day using our own play to win philosophy against us... that would be a pretty epic plan, actually...

 

[Napilopez]

What if Sakurai PURPOSELY put this AT in the game so the competitive scene would look stupid and he would have won at the end of the day using our own play to win philosophy against us... that would be a pretty epic plan, actually...

=O!

Since walking isnt as trip inducing... perhaps this was his way of speaking to the competitive community...find their own way against tripping!

Lolz.

10Sakurais

EDIT:

Has anyone tried a True Pivot with this as I suggested?

The input would likely be Foxtrot-> Initiate second foxtrot but immediate begin Doop Walk in opposite direction.

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

Sorry, not making a 6th vid about this stuff xD just try it out.

Grab > Pummel once (hold A afterwards) > Press Forward to start the Cargo > Walk + C-stick (the direction is -slightly- different, otherwise you jump)

Or:

Shieldgrab (hold A afterwards) > Press Forward to start the Cargo > Walk + C-stick (back I think works)

 

[M15t3R E]

This tech would be better if you could buffer moves out of it or have the attacks come out as you're moving like you could with wavedashing in Melee.

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

This tech would be better if you could buffer moves out of it or have the attacks come out as you're moving like you could with wavedashing in Melee.

you CAN buffer attacks out of this, and you CAN still attack while you're sliding...

 

[M15t3R E]

you CAN buffer attacks out of this, and you CAN still attack while you're sliding...

No, it's not buffering nor attacking as you're moving. You are attacking in between your steps.

Why don't you guys have vids showing how it can be used in battle rather than to go by theory?

 

[san.]

I find it more useful for shieldgrabs for people with faster pivot walking

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

No, it's not buffering nor attacking as you're moving. You are attacking in between your steps.

Why don't you guys have vids showing how it can be used in battle rather than to go by theory?

Well, it's kind of annoying to rip a lot of matches, especially because I have to send the replays to my friend for him to get it over to the computor. And yeah, you might not be able to buffer out of this (more than a few frames), but you can attack while still sliding. And if that is not what you mean, then what is it?

 

[comboking]

Ike's is not good to use because we can't walk off DAir so Ike's rank might need to be changed.

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

The rank is just how good the speed of the WP is, not it's usability. The list is far from completed.

 

[comboking]

I was just throwing that out there. maybe we should make 2 lists. LOL

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

I'll see how it turns out. And why can't he walk-off dair? If it's because of fastfalling, you could just stop PWing right before the ledge...