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The Silly Kyle Video Archive and Critique Thread

Razmakazi

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RedHalberd said:
I really appreciate you posting some helpful things in this matchup. Could you post a couple links to direct places in the video where I can do these things? A lot of your comments could be misleading if I took them at face value. I either need super general or super specific.

For example when I run in to shield I'm predicting fairs, to which I'll shield drop and dash attack punish before the second pair comes out. Same thing goes for shield pressure. I'd rather powershield than spotdodge because if I take the easy way to resist shieldpressure my opponent may start noticing and fastfalling into UpBs/jabs other gay ****.

I appreciate the stalling and other things though, that's really helpful :bee:
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I'll try to get more specific when I have time but for now what I can say is that Marth is kinda gay so sometimes you just don't want him on your shield anyway. But lets say you ran in because you were predicting fairs, you could probably do better things like turnip pull and then if you predicted or saw fairs u can prob forward glide toss to grab the landing. Or I guess if you ran in and shielded you can also punish the 2nd fair or whatever landing w/ ps or maybe even normal shieldgrab. Prob nair too or ftilt.

Anyway my point is that you should just play more and mess around w/ interesting punishes coz peach can really hit like a truck.

Hmm...and that you should be camping Marth more and finding/making better opportunities. Especially if you make that fool shield for no reason then that's anybody's *** really.

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Twolink:

idk just don't hold shield whenever you're scared when you land in front of ppl w/ an aerial. buffer somethin'. a roll a jab, an aerial, spotdodge, anything really lol.

hmm, and just nair against shuttle loop glide, glide atk is so dumb but nair always is the safest though.

and try not to run towards the ledge. you spend too much time there and end up getting in bad situations because of it. gotta be closer to the center and find your way there w/ baits n stuff. like well spaced float dair or float bs to bait our shuttle loop or his fair. idk, just make opportunities.

you play pretty solidly so just keep goin' and hmm, yeah work in more float dair, it'll beat out mk's ground moves. ofc he can easily counter it but w/e, mindgames man lol

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Llod

i'll think of stuff and watch ur stuff later but you're doin' well from the 4 min i've seen it's just idk, diddy's fair is just really unfair. i dun like that move. @_@
 
Razmakazi

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nice play by kyon, it was pretty smart. and watching esam makes me wanna play Pika but i have this paper to do so i'd better not...lol
 
z00ted

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Alright, I finally have some videos.


Illmatic vs Dphat (Metaknight) - Tournament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNdw_tmukFA <- SUPER Must Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXV32iOXE4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fybQKCGRLA <- SUPER Must Watch


Dojo (Metaknight) vs Illmatic - Tournament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzPgo0j5N9A <- Must Watch

Illmatic vs Zero (Sonic) - Friendly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYZn1Er4U60 <- LOL

Illmatic vs Zigsta (Bowser) - Friendly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DZGcUbao5A

Illmatic vs Light (Sheik) - Friendlies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4UrPS8pa4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KBlE-Flao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev3cTAyPiTU <- Uair String

Illmatic vs Nike (Marth) - Money Match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB5NlERrZzM <- Must Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzmx8c1NgLI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adSeEoBy9uI

Illmatic vs Drugs (Snake) - Friendly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1dMxcyjhOU

Illmatic vs K Prime (Pikachu) - Bracket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIeDkzaYEr0 <- Must Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEDSOntMiG4 <- SUPER Must Watch

Illmatic vs Zori (Olimar) - Bracket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuwNhNSRn5g <- Must Watch Me Get *****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjFSwc69alw <- Must Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10QsHM2rxrA <- SUPER Must Watch

Illmatic vs Sama (Wolf) - Bracket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub_dHqYBSDs <- Must Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jcyt1wzDzw <- Must Watch

Illmatic vs Mystic (Pit) - Money Match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPi7ymH5RmE <- Uair String

Illmatic vs Player-4 (Metaknight) - Bracket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZukSBAqeNM <- Must Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RbmaX6T0Kc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCGzZUa2VA

Illmatic vs Suspect (Luigi) - Money Match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlNxUsVASP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrr4HKEnwyk

Illmatic vs Suspect (Marth) - Friendly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33KWbu6X16U

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I would REALLY appreciate it if you guys could at least watch the ones I suggested. Rick, King Beef, Nordal, Nicole, Kyon, Kyle, 2link, and Raz I really want some good critique and suggestions!

I really need some tips and advice. Also stuff that I'm doing right / wrong. I haven't had good videos up in forever! Please!
 
z00ted

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Oh - LanceStern and Meno too! I want to hear opinions.
 
Nicole

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Ok I watched the dphat vids. Here's what I noticed.

- Stop floating dair at him. He DI's it extremely well and usually has a chance to punish you once he gets out. If you SH dair he (and also any other player) won't be able to DI it nearly as well. This will really help with the damage racking.

- STOP RECOVERING WITH PEACH BOMBER. I said this on one of your previous vids against Dphat and I'll say it again. Peach bomber is very very bad and very punishable against MK. It's much better to float high. If you can't do that go low and angle umbrella correctly - it will go through his nair if you have it at a 55 - 65 degree angle facing the stage. Don't be directly under him. If he shuttle loops facing away from the stage umbrella will stop him if you do it early enough. Use up-B unpredictably at different times - she grabs the edge no matter where you use it from, so it doesn't matter. You've started using attacks to help you recover which is good. You should consider floating dair back to the stage if you're at a height a little above the edge. It's good for hitting him out of shuttle loop if he tries that. I wouldn't make a habit of this but it helps me. If he uairs through it it isn't a big deal - you'll be DI'ing towards the stage anyway.

- Don't get up attack off the ledge unless he's in the air. If he is just standing there you'll get *****. If he's in the air then you should get up attack cause you'll probably hit him when he comes down. I guess if he's charging a smash you can use get up attack too, as long as you're sure you're at the range where it will actually hit. If he's just standing there you can just get up off the ledge and sheild or jab as soon as you can. Or just stay on the ledge and wait for him to give you an opening.

- You get a little greedy at various times. You can't really do that vs. MK. Like after you land the Peach bomber on PS1, you go for a fair when he's at 75% and it obviously won't combo. Then you get dsmashed. That stuff isn't that big of a deal but if you want to beat MK, particularly Dphat's which you haven't beaten yet, you shouldn't go for things that aren't guaranteed. I'm not saying don't take risks on occasion, but you know what you can and can't do to MK, so don't do dumb stuff that you know doesn't work.

- Groundfloating aerials against Mk when he's also on the ground is one of the more useless things you can do in the MU. I don't care if they're for mindgames or what. Doing them for mindgames leaves you vulnerable because MK is so fast. Doing them with the intention of actually hitting a grounded MK is ********. You didn't do this much but you got killed for doing it on PS1.

- Throwing out Usmashes usually won't work. However the lag will get you punished. When you go to usmash MK, you should wait for the right time. It's not something you can force, or something you can trick him into. These days, the best time to Usmash him is out of tornado. It's tough.

- The place where you float and dair when you're recovering on your last stock against him on PS1 is really not a good place. He chooses not to shuttle loop you (he probably thinks he would get daired, but best, you'd be trading hits with him there, you'd be DI'ing down and die and he'd take like 3%). It's right where the move will sweetspot on the side. If you go lower and get closer to the stage it would hit you up instead which you'd live from no problem. Also, then you're closer to the stage and it's easier to get back to the ground. Airdodge -> buffer shield and you're golden.

- Don't SD :troll:

I think I figured out why you do OK on rainbow cruise, and it's because your weakest area in this MU is recovering. Dphat messed up ALOT of gimps on you. RC kinda helps you in that way, because you don't do much recovering there. Work on recovering better. Be at the right angle, use the right options, and attack when you need to.

Against Dphat in particular, he really doesn't seem to like pressure, and you pressure him well. However he is pretty aggressive so keep in mind that you don't always need to be on him. He will come to you. It's easy to hit him out of his fair with a retreating fair of your own and you never did this. Pressure him for a time. When you have the lead, let him come to you. He seems to get alot more rash when you have the lead and you don't take advantage of this because you're too busy trying to continue to pressure him. If you back off and do some retreating aerials against him you'd do better. It's not like Peach doesn't have the range or priority to do something about an MK that approaches in the air, which he does quite a bit. I like the way he plays the MU though, he's very good at it. If he ever decides to work utilt into his game you'll have to watch out for that as well. He could've killed you with it a couple times.

That's all I noticed!
 
Nordal

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You beat him once. Shut the **** up. It was funny for like, the first two times and now it's more stale than Peach's Fair vs marth.
 
Rickerdy-doo-da-day

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Lulz I feel loved from Lovematic <3

I am currently finishing off writing a lab report so I might have to go into more detail later on but I will make sure I do at some point cause there are a couple of match up specific things I want to point out

First impressions atm though: Nice choice of music, Final Fantasy VI is my absolute favourite RPG, shame it was the remixed Boss Battle version, I prefer the original xD
Anyway...

Your pressure game is excellent, probably the best I've seen. When you put the pressure on, you are utterly relentless which I like as a Peach style very much. However, this is very much a double edged sword because at times (I think I mentioned this last time I watched some of your vids) you are too relentless, bordering on frantic - you do what you're going to do regardless of whether it'll work or whether it's safe. This ends up making you somewhat predictable a times and causes you to get hit by stuff you could have avoided. This is particularly noticeable in the first Olimar vid - Olimar is all over you because he knows what you're going to do. He hits you as you're about to jump, he pivot grabs you as you try to land a Bair etc.

You very much have a set pattern - which isn't a bad thing because it's an extremely effective pattern but you need to know when break the pattern, retreat and then when it's safe/you see an opening to reapply it because you sometimes just run into stuff that could have been avoided had you been a tad more careful. Bait your opponents now and then - for example, you could use your 2nd jump as a baiting/respacing tool if you think your opponents are going to try and outspeed/beat out your Fair

Another thing Dairalldaymatic, be careful with your Dair usage - you get batted out of the sky on numerous occasions because you're constantly setting up your Float to Height X and then using Floating Dair. Also, stop using it as your OoS option, you have more than that at your disposal! Frame data will tell you that Dair comes out on frame 12, which as an OoS option makes it already slower than Jab, Nair, Bair etc. etc. and that's not even factoring in the frames for Jumping AND the time it takes for you to set yourself up at head height. It's alright as a mix up but you have much better, much quicker OoS options that you can be using, so use them


Glad to see you have some vids up of you actually winning :troll: Hope that's ok for now, I will elaborate on more MU specific stuff later if you'd like me to. Keep up the good work :)
 
Thebest1pj

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Oh in that case.

1.nordal i've beaten ill 3 times so get your facts straight.

2.Thank you for saying it was funny. Unlike that terrible brawl joke you made....i hope you don't tell those irl.

3. I dont need your respect, i need your fear of ever having to play me.

4. Stop being fat boy stay everyday ahead of computer making x-post. Where x represents post you can make at people that you will have minimal social irl interactions with.


in your case









































































Everyone:awesome:
 
z00ted

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if you've beaten me 3 times, I've beaten you hmmmmm

9?
 
Nordal

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I use smashboards to procrastinate on homework. I'm physically active and have an active social life in college. But please make more misguided assumptions, they certainly aren't helping your cause.
 
Thebest1pj

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Nordal said:
I use smashboards to procrastinate on homework. I'm physically active and have an active social life in college. But please make more misguided assumptions, they certainly aren't helping your cause.
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O? is this one of those ima make my post seem smarter dan u typ3 of tingz?

There actually helping my cause quite a bit.

You see unlike dphat i don't trash talk just for the fun of it.I trash talk to make whoever i beat mad and more motivated to beat me the next time we meet in tournament.

Instead of coming in like "Oh sons i whooped dat ***" and seeming like a total douchebag, only needed to say it because i was responding to you.

Looks like you made the misguided assumption.

Thanks for the help though! Ill said hes gonna **** me.

LLLL
 
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