iamthemicrowave
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^^ epic 420 post
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Thanks for that post, if you weren't gonna challenge him on those points I would have lol.Pre-civil war USA, most of the northern states didn't have slaves, but they DID tolerate the southern states having slaves... not too unlike this rule not being relevant fox vs peach but being relevant in ICs vs samus
...and that wasn't even the point I was going for; go back in time through Rome, Egypt, etc; slavery has been around for THOUSANDS of years... seems pretty 'Set in Stone' to me... and it's only been abolished for less than 150 in the USA, ignoring that it still goes on in plenty of places around the world
and once again this is dancing around the fact that the ban on wobbling is far from 'Set in Stone'
In fact, if any thing WAS 'Set in Stone', it was wobbling not being banned up through 2007, including during all the MLG years.
Also, you don't seem to understand that laws and rules are put into place to specifically protect the MINORITY, not the majority. IC players are the minority, and it's unfair (unless proven otherwise) to stomp all over them with a contrived majority vote. Majorities are useless in situations like this when determining 'right' and 'wrong' because 99% of people are merely looking out for their own self-interest (hey I paid a thousand bucks for this slave; why would I let him go?!)
also look up 'unanimous' in the dictionary, i triple dog dare you
I really hope that someone's hacked your account or something, because most of the posts I had read from you before had led me to believe you weren't this narrow-minded
Wobbles, you're awesome, but honestly that's all just a bunch of arbitrary nonsense that nobody will want to follow anyway. It's like giving a cripple new robotic super legs and saying "now you can't run in these, you'll make all the normal people feel bad, just, limit yourself to five strides per 10 seconds". It's irrational, pointless, and just plain wrong.STDConsidine: What about my charts?
I like this.It's okay, we can just ban the use of more than 5 HEADBUTTS since that takes into account iterations of the tilt-based infinite, the blizzard-based infinite, and the jab-based infinite.
I'm helping.
I like this even more. You sound like a computer programmer =P Let me hear some of the example values you would have.what if we keep track of each move that is done in grab and assign each one a value, then when the aggregate sum of the values of the moves performed during that grab crosses a predetermined threshold, then that's when the rule has been broken
Yea that makes the most sense but I think we should consider everyone.Thanks for that post, if you weren't gonna challenge him on those points I would have lol.
And guys....for heaven's sake....either we can sit here and talk about arbitrary headbutt bans and limitations that NOBODY WILL FOLLOW ANYWAY, or we could just say............legalize it. It's as simple as that. Don't restrict a good tactic that one character has just because you don't like losing to it. Learn how to beat it, learn how to evade and avoid it, learn how to win despite it. Why not just legalize it??? Why not?
Hmm, that's pretty good yeah. We can base it on percentage done. One blizzard is about equal in damage to two tilts, so we'll say B = 2T, but the jabs decay so strongly to be at about half a percent of damage. That means a tilt equals the damage of four jabs, so 4J = T, and 8J = B. That's moot though because you get two jabs for every headbutt, whereas you get a single headbutt for every blizzard or tilt, so we'll make it be 2J = T just for simplicity's sake since we want to keep things simple.
So jabs are a 1, tilts are a 2, blizzards are a 4, and Blizzards from Dairy Queen are delicious. You are only permitted to have a total of 10 Wobblers during any given grab, so that's 2 and a half blizzards, 5 tilts, 10 jabs, or any variant thereof.
Should we determine values for finishers as well regarding floaties and fastfallers? Obviously floaties find it unfair to be taken out by u-smash because you can KO them with d-throw u-smash as low as 80, whereas characters like Falcon (weighed down by Manliness) will actually die to f-smash sooner. Depends on the level actually, and where you grab them. We won't take d-smash into account here because it's always decayed from spammed wavedash d-smash, and besides that would take too long for the ICs to kill and we don't want to NERF them they're bad enough as is.
So how about we tabulate the KO percentages of un-charged f-smash and u-smash off down-throw and make sure that it's only legal to use the weaker one based on graph of stage location and the character that you've grabbed? We won't take into account f-throw f-smash, u-throw u-smash, u-throw f-smash, or f-throw running u-smash because that's too hard to keep track of. We'll just say that if you're a Peach stuck on square E7 of Pokemon Stadium at 80 percent, the IC is forced to use d-throw f-smash because otherwise you might die. If you're ABOVE 80 percent though you deserve it, and if you DI wrong and get yourself KO'ed off the side as a result then you also deserve it.
We can make a chart. I love charts.
STDConsidine: What about my charts?
I'd like somebody to respond to that post please, lol I don't want that one going unnoticed.Wobbles, you're awesome, but honestly that's all just a bunch of arbitrary nonsense that nobody will want to follow anyway. It's like giving a cripple new robotic super legs and saying "now you can't run in these, you'll make all the normal people feel bad, just, limit yourself to five strides per 10 seconds". It's irrational, pointless, and just plain wrong.
Just...legalize it, is it really that hard?????
No, I had not. I was taking this crud way too seriously lol.sean, have you considered that wobbles and pocky are obviously joking?
Hahahahahahaha that's what Wobbles d getting at. Why bother with some complicated compromise that only serves to further complicate the rules when we could just allow wobbling instead of jumping through hoops to ban something that isn't even broken in the first place.This formula does make sense but I'm realizing that its going to be so hard to follow. What if the compromise were just that you cant repeat the same move over and over, you have to vary the infinite.
Yeah, I think they're obviously joking just to make a point. Had me goin. lulzwobbles and pockys formulas will ensure that this game will be played with much more skill then if wobbling was simply just allowed.
I don't see how making rules that are overly confusing do anything else other thancompletely confusing newer players.I hope theyre serious cause thats actually a good idea
No, they're not serious because It's NOT a good idea. lolI hope theyre serious cause thats actually a good idea
Blobbling raaaa aaaapesI think only the Blobble should be allowed. Not only is it harder to do but because the blizzard is like PEWWWWWWWWWWWWW it takes less time for it to go by or at least feels like less time so the other people will be happier. Well, as happy as they can get while being kept in grab-stun-lock-hit stuff.
what? they are obviously serious, and it is just as obvious that it will smash more skillful for the ic player. ic players obviously need that handicap because landing grabs and keeping nana synched and alive is just way to easy as is.I hope theyre serious cause thats actually a good idea
...I honestly don't know what's going on right now....Am I the only one taking this thread seriously anymore?what? they are obviously serious, and it is just as obvious that it will smash more skillful for the ic player. ic players obviously need that handicap because landing grabs and keeping nana synched and alive is just way to easy as is.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE KAIBA?!what have i done?
First off, perhaps you could have clarified your point to begin with as opposed to seemingly, whether consciously or subconsciously, mocking me with your first post 'set in stone'.Pre-civil war USA, most of the northern states didn't have slaves, but they DID tolerate the southern states having slaves... not too unlike this rule not being relevant fox vs peach but being relevant in ICs vs samus
...and that wasn't even the point I was going for; go back in time through Rome, Egypt, etc; slavery has been around for THOUSANDS of years... seems pretty 'Set in Stone' to me... and it's only been abolished for less than 150 in the USA, ignoring that it still goes on in plenty of places around the world
and once again this is dancing around the fact that the ban on wobbling is far from 'Set in Stone'
In fact, if any thing WAS 'Set in Stone', it was wobbling not being banned up through 2007, including during all the MLG years.
Also, you don't seem to understand that laws and rules are put into place to specifically protect the MINORITY, not the majority. IC players are the minority, and it's unfair (unless proven otherwise) to stomp all over them with a contrived majority vote. Majorities are useless in situations like this when determining 'right' and 'wrong' because 99% of people are merely looking out for their own self-interest (hey I paid a thousand bucks for this slave; why would I let him go?!)
also look up 'unanimous' in the dictionary, i triple dog dare you
I really hope that someone's hacked your account or something, because most of the posts I had read from you before had led me to believe you weren't this narrow-minded
Let's hear em. I guarantee they all boil down to "it's gay and I don't like it".I disagree with wobbling for a variety of reasons
If it is a foregone conclusion I don't think it should be. Wobbling is a clearly defined technique using only a and the control stick.well it's a foregone conclusion that if they ban wobbling, they would also ban any wobble-esque infinites
it's really still part of the same debate
Let's hear em. I guarantee they all boil down to "it's gay and I don't like it".
Assume that my version of good smasher then is a person near, or, at least at semi-professional level.- I said "of all skill ranges" which implies good players as well.
- The term "good smashers" is shifty and hard to define. There are many mediocre players that have excellent reasoning skills.
- Over twice as many people are pro-wobbling than anti-wobbling. Why should the ratio among "good players" be so different?
- IC players are a small minority. You really think they've affected the statistics that much?
- Saying all IC players are bad without wobbling is a massive generalization. Actually, it's just not true, at all.
- Even if the majority of good smashers did oppose wobbling, they'd have to provide a good reason for its ban. Nobody has done that yet. Maybe you could take a stab at it?
Ballistics, shine infinites are able to be Smash-DI'd/DI'd. Once you're grabbed with Wobbling, you're dead. There is no skill/move/DI or function to get out. If performed perfectly, you're fcked.If it is a foregone conclusion I don't think it should be. Wobbling is a clearly defined technique using only a and the control stick.
This Magus infinite uses a b and the control stick in varied timings. Much different in my opinion. Wobbling is the move that is banned not all infinites. If that were the case, then the shine infinite would be banned.